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Lenovo’s new ThinkPad X1 Titanium Yoga is less than half an inch thick
- t3rabytes 6y agoSad that they reduced key travel on the X1 line again. It's not butterfly level, but still. I'm excited to try it nonetheless.
- ggreer 6y agoThis only seems to be for a special version of the X1 Yoga, not for all models in the X1 line. The new X1 Carbon is the same thickness as the previous generation: 14.9mm[1], though it looks like they reduced the bezels and redesigned the hinge. 1. See tech specs on this page: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/coming-soon/X1-Carbon-G9/p/22TP2X1X1C9 https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/coming-soon/X1-Carbon-G9/p/22TP...
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- anewguy9000 6y agolenovo says it is covered in “titanium material”. what exactly does that mean?
- stretchcat 6y agoTitanium dioxide, aka white paint.
- dubcanada 6y agoIt's probably just a titanium alloy. Based on other sites it seems to be a "titanium material", so ya just a alloy.
- anewguy9000 6y agoi'd be curious to know more about the technical aspects of the material but its new so we're stuck with the marketing speak
- unicornporn 6y ago...and I don't care! This is so stupid. Give me runtime! Motorola Moto Gx Power models are on the right track on the smartphone side. Awesome battery life, just a little beefier.
- Karunamon 6y agoAgreed wholeheartedly. I hear "thin", and think "so it's fragile and has poor thermals, battery life, port selection, and overall compromised performance". I really hope this ultrabook meme ends.
- atty 6y agoI don’t think the ultra book is a meme. I’d consider the MacBook Air to be the single most successful laptop of all time, and for good reason. For many people it’s basically the perfect compromise of size, weight, power and battery life. (Also, while the Air is thin, it is certainly not fragile). The current M1 Air is a really great machine. And while it’s not powerful enough for my work (data scientist - waiting for a 16 inch MBP, or perhaps I’ll get a larger thinkpad and put Linux on it), I am not going to delude myself into thinking that my needs are in any way representative of the average consumer. A good ultra book is perfect for people browsing the web and using office apps who want good portability.
- adamc 6y agoHorses for courses. If I had to lug it through airports everyday, I'd want the lightest laptop I could possibly live with. Although I don't really care about how thin it is, per se. Weight is what matters.
- unicornporn 6y agoI know this is HN, but I have to remind you most users don't fly airplanes every day. :)
- adamc 6y agoCurrently not. At one point in my brother's career, he came pretty close.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago"Battery life is not great. But you can't use it outside anyhow because it'll blow away." "We want to make a laptop so thin you'll close it and never find it again."
- m_mueller 6y agodid they actually do QC this time? my 2020 X1 Yoga I got from work is atrocious. Since years the touchpad driver for these models bugs out from some sleep state - only remedy: shutting and reopening the lid in order to reinitialize. Besides, microphone sounds like you're talking inside an oil drum - perfect during the year of home office.
- caleb-allen 6y agoInteresting--I have the 3rd gen X1 Yoga and have issues with the touch screen, and that is only fixed by shutting and reopening the lid. Running Arch Linux. Bummer that there are still dumb issues like this
- uncledave 6y agoSome of the Dell XPS touchpads do that as well. I suspect it's a shitty driver for a generic part.
- sanitycheck 6y agoI had this on a laptop, the caused seemed to be an old touchpad driver that wasn't compatible with S0 "low power mode" which Windows defaults to now. If you know your device supports S3 sleep, you can force Windows to use it. My identical problem went away. reg #### add HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power /v PlatformAoAcOverride /t REG_DWORD /d 0 (By removing the #### and pasting the above readers agree that I am not liable for breakages)
- m_mueller 6y agoThanks! Will pass it on in my org.
- turtlebits 6y agoSome comparisons should be provided. This one is 11.5mm, the Macbook pro 13 is 15.6mm, and the Pixelbook is 10mm.
- Whitespace 6y agoAnd the M1 Macbook Air is 4.1–16.1mm
- LeifCarrotson 6y agoJust say 16.1mm. The fact that the keyboard and top of the screen taper to a knife edge does not make the machine take up less space in a backpack. Here's a side profile: https://help.apple.com/assets/5F46CA8B094622AD463B4A64/5F46CAA0094622AD463B4A91/en_US/0e083247566b30f75e898cc203f4487f.png https://help.apple.com/assets/5F46CA8B094622AD463B4A64/5F46C...
- NikolaeVarius 6y agoRecently I had to get a new laptop for work, and went Lenovo due to possibly unwarranted brand loyalty. I found the T490(s) to have a very bad set of possible options. My T480s came with a 1440p Screen and 24 GB of RAM, but I couldn't configure that with the new series. I was forced to go with the X1 Carbon Linux Edition. I have a mild feeling that the T line is being gutted for the X Line
- jpalomaki 6y agoCan’t you have 8+16GB memory? Max is 16+32 for T490. That’s pretty ok. But on display side it’s then 1080p or the 4K screens. No personal experience on 4K, but I’ve heard battery life can take bit hit. I’m happy with lower res as I can use it on Windows without scaling.
- NikolaeVarius 6y agoYeah, from what I saw, 4k takes like a 30% hit, it was alot and completely useless at the 14" size
- notyourday 6y agoI disagree. I have an aging 12" 4K laptop (Toshiba) and it is absolutely glorious compared to non-4K. It get amazing sharpness. I have 3 workspaces: Full screen Sublime, full screen tmux and a full screen web browser. It also drives another 4K monitor when I'm in the office. I really want to find something to replace it when it dies but so far I can't find anything that works well and does not look like someone's go to market product
- VWWHFSfQ 6y agoare lenovos still any good? I've heard a lot of people say that the quality has gone down dramatically
- Icathian 6y agoI use a p50 series thinkpad for work and it's quite good. The keyboard layout isn't my favorite, but otherwise I'm a fan.
- DavidPeiffer 6y agoI bought a P51 off Ebay for ~$830 over the summer. It is really well built, and I definitely got a better laptop used than I could have new for the same money. Great laptop for my needs, 64 GB RAM, came with M2 SSD and took for 2 more drives, and has dedicated graphics card. No complaints.
- BossingAround 6y agoP50 series was horrible on Linux with the dual graphics setup (the intel + nVidia combo). Just a nightmare for more than 1 external monitor and a docking station setup.
- 1996 6y agoCorrection: you didn't know how to set it up. The hardware works just fine.
- BossingAround 6y ago> Correction: you didn't know how to set it up. Thanks for your opinion. > The hardware works just fine. The post was based on multiple people within my company, not just me. I would not recommend the old P50 on Linux.
- 45ure 6y agoI found myself hankering after a P-series Thinkpad, after watching Louis Rossmann, near enough destroying one of them! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig3xI8dUdm0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig3xI8dUdm0
- phren0logy 6y agoYou know how thick I want my laptop? Just thick enough for an ethernet port with no dongle.
- bsg75 6y agoI want it thick enough for that, an externally replacable battery (no glue!) and room for additional RAM sticks. Otherwise I'd buy a tablet.
- dayofthedaleks 6y agoBetter get a Thinkpad x270 before all of the depreciated corporate hand-me-downs dry up! Shame no Thunderbolt though.
- everybodyknows 6y agoCan you recommend a source for used Thinkpad x270s?
- dayofthedaleks 6y agoSorry I don’t know any good vendors but I do see an i7 with the rarer IPS 1920p display on eBay for 500 bucks and I’m sure other marketplaces have more than a few.
- noir_lord 6y agoMy T470P has all of that - following models have at least one dimm soldered which is crap.
- ethagnawl 6y agoWow. Those are still pretty expensive. I've been considering replacing my T430, but I'm not sure it's worthwhile. Mine has 16GB of RAM, i7 quad core, 1TB SSD, etc. I think my money would be better spent upgrading the screen on my existing machine. It's also worth noting that I was able to buy a backup/spare T430 to use for parts and experimentation for ~$100. All in all, I've been very happy with this model.
- pdimitar 6y ago...and I don't give a crap about that. Does it get noisy? That is the really pertinent question. My last job required me to work on a Lenovo T490 and that thing spun its fans to 3300 RPM the moment you looked at it and asked it to do a 5 second CPU-intensive task. Hated those machines for life but I suspect at least 90% of all laptops are like that. Now all that I've heard about MacBook M1 models, that's what sounds appealing. Nearly zero audible fan activity.
- soperj 6y agoI'm on a T490 right now. I can't remember ever hearing the fan. note: 20gb of ram, but I do cpu intensive things all the time.
- pdimitar 6y agoI was on Ubuntu 20.04 with a 5.8 kernel. The moment I did an incremental compilation of a Rust project (5-10s) the fans kept at very noisy levels for at least a full minute. It was awful. :( I was at 40GB RAM (the stock soldered 8GB plus an extra 32GB stick). And for what it's worth, an external 2560x1080 display. Maybe that was it? But IMO no, it activated fans on CPU load only. Still, maybe the extra strain on the video stack kept it at a higher temperature internally so it was quick to turn on the fans at the smallest of loads? Could be. Glad it works well for you though. What OS do you use?
- soperj 6y agoActually just checked and it's 24gb of ram which makes more sense. I'm on Windows on this computer. I have Fedora on my other. I honestly never hear the fan on this computer at all, it barely runs, and when it does it's very silent. It feels like we're talking about 2 different computers.
- antonyh 6y agoI briefly had a Lenovo. It was noisy too, and sent it back. Have a Dell now, it's half the volume but still too loud. My old MBP with it's C2D desktop-class chip was both quieter, and less random with fan speed changes. I hear it less because it's constant. I think in the modern era, if you want above average performance, it'll be far from silent.
- johnatwork 6y agoI've tried switching away from my MacBook and each time I've been left underwhelmed by the build quality. Hopefully this will be built better than the past Lenovo X1 models that I've tried.
- nowherebeen 6y agoThat is one thing that Apple is very consistent with. Other than fraying cables, Apple hardware is solid. Whereas, I have replaced almost everything (keyboard, charger, battery, wifi/bluetooth) on my Dell XPS and the case is falling apart (broken monitor hinge glued back together). Its very frustrating..
- dakrulski 6y agoJust another unrepairable and unmodular system for rich people who want to flex. Please search in the net for "Agbogbloshie" and see where this laptop will end up as soon as a thinner one comes out. When are we stopping this madness and go back to make modular things that are easy to repair?!
- bserge 6y agoIt's ridiculous. Soldered CPU, RAM, SSD? All of it just make repairs and spare parts more expensive. I don't think I'll buy any laptop in the future. An SFF case, desktop components and any old laptop (of which I have plenty) to connect remotely will have to do.
- sitkack 6y agoHow hobbled is the memory system?
- jMyles 6y agoIt's been 226 days since I sent my laptop (p51s) to Lenovo for warranty repair for a HDD controller failure. They lost the laptop, and have continually told me they were going to call me back to rectify the matter, and have never done so. Never buy Lenovo unless you're willing to lose your machine without recourse.
- sanitycheck 6y agoI was about to buy a Lenovo laptop recently, having nearly always had Dell before. Looked into on-site warranty options, found very little information, emailed them to get details and got no response. People online seemed to be saying they could only be purchased as warranty extensions and are expensive. So I got another Dell Latitude. Refurb, i7, last model with expandable RAM. 5 YEARS of on-site warranty (which I've used numerous times and been very happy with in the UK/EU). I also ordered some other kit from Lenovo, unfortunately they filled in a customs form wrong and UPS returned it to sender immediately. That was 3 weeks ago, they seem to have lost it.
- thecrumb 6y agoHugs my T420. And it's fine with that because it's thinker than a sheet of paper.
- flatiron 6y agoW540 here. Never leaves my desk so who cares it’s a tank. 32 gigs of ram quad core i7 and super zippy.
- bserge 6y agoIt's plenty portable, too. Poor battery life, though.
- lostmsu 6y ago> Never leaves my desk Why don't you just use a PC then?
- flatiron 6y agoWell it occasionally leaves me desk :) also I like the small footprint. It’s mainly my “work at home check the news” laptop so I can keep my work laptop 100% work. I don’t even check the weather on it.
- waffl 6y agoThank goodness for the transition away from the terrible 16:9 screens that have plagued almost every single PC laptop for years. These are all 16:10 with a few screen options (at least for the X1C9): - 14" UHD+ (3840 x 2400) IPS, low-power, HDR400 with Dolby Vision™ DCI P3 100%, 500 nits, TÜV Rheinland-certified for reduced blue light emissions - 14" FHD+* (1920 x 1200) IPS, anti-glare, low-power, 400 nits, Low-power, TÜV Rheinland-certified for reduced blue light emissions - 14" FHD+* (1920 x 1200) IPS, anti-glare, touchscreen, 400 nits, TÜV Rheinland-certified for reduced blue light emissions - 14" FHD+* (1920 x 1200) IPS, anti-glare, touchscreen, PrivacyGuard, 500 nits Also nice that the HiDPI version is low-power. Interesting that the smaller x1 nano is also using the 16:10 screen, what a relief to have this across the range.
- helmholtz 6y agoUtter joy. There are even 3:2 SKUs. 16:9 screens are an unbridled plague that deserve to be binned tout de suite, especially on 13" ultrabooks. It's like typing while looking at code through a keyhole. I welcome a future where gamers are told to fuck off, and laptop manufacturers instead embrace professional looking laptops with tall displays with very high PPI, long battery life, non-gamery keycap fonts, and no RGB anywhere.
- jpalomaki 6y agoOn Windows moving the taskbar to side of screen gives few extra pixels.
- helmholtz 6y agoAnd you bet yo ass I use it :) I hide all kinds of shit like ribbons, status bars etc. to gain every last vertical pixel I can. Even better if an app will let me rearrange toolbars vertically.
- r00fus 6y agoDock/Taskbar on the side looks even better on 16:10 vs. 16x9. 16x9 is simply unusable for me on a laptop screen. Using an 4:3 iPad with keyboard/mouse reminds me of the good ol days before the HD screen size abominations.
- hanslub42 6y agoI totally agree that thinner is not always better on a laptop where key travel and full-sized ports are important. But a Yoga is also meant to be used as a tablet. As a programmer I want my key travel and ports. As a musician I want to fold the thing backwards and put it on my music stand. I currently have a Yoga X390, a little too thin for a laptop, and a little too thick to put on my music stand. A compromise, clearly, but one that works for me
- powersnail 6y agoMy surface pro has been sitting on my music stand since COVID started. The form factor really shines when you actually need to use it as a tablet.
- ithrow 6y agoThe X1 Titanium Yoga will start at $1,899 If someone is not tied to Windows, it's hard to justify this over a $999 MBA.
- ggreer 6y agoThey target different markets. The Yoga line are laptops that can convert to tablets, and this particular model is their flagship. Also this Yoga is both thinner and lighter than the MacBook Air.
- fit2rule 6y agoIf I can have a good Ubuntu tablet experience with this, I'm on like donkey kong ..
- SomeHacker44 6y agoWhen I hurt my back and returned to work unable to sit, having a convertible was a huge lifesaver. It took a while to adjust everything to a standing lifestyle and having a pen tablet like the Yoga (I had a Dell 2 in 1) was amazing. While I now have a portable standing desk for meetings and such, while I figured it out the convertible was awesome. Now I want a high-spec traditional laptop again though. :)
- zumu 6y agoCan MBA run linux these days?
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- Grimm1 6y agoMy good friends and I have an inside joke that when we get a new laptop we either show it to each other or take a picture and just go, "But my laptop is soooooooo thin!" I think that started because at one point thinness was the only redeeming characteristic of one of our laptops but I don't really remember. In any case good to see that we'll be able to keep the joke alive.
- nowherebeen 6y agoDo people still care about how thick a laptop is anymore? I thought that was pretty much done since 2015. I personally care more about weight and battery life since carrying a laptop and charger can add weight quickly..
- pedalpete 6y agoNot only that, but there is a serious factor of diminishing returns. Without putting one laptop next to another, could you tell that one laptop is 11.5mm and another is 13mm?
- culopatin 6y agoJust put some decent speakers in them already please. I hacked mine with some MacBook Air speakers, it is barely better because the bass is so much better now that the whole thing rattles. 16:10 is very welcomed though.