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One cop died in the storming at the hands of the mob. One protestor died at the hands of the police. Three protestors had fatal medical issues, and it's not c
by nostromo 6y ago
One cop died in the storming at the hands of the mob. One protestor died at the hands of the police.
Three protestors had fatal medical issues, and it's not clear they were related to the violence.
Another cop died of suicide days later. Nobody knows if his suicide is related to the events on the sixth.
- Karawebnetwork 6y agoA death on one side does not erase a death on the other side. This is not a game.
- novaleaf 6y agoThe OP strongly implied that 2 cops died at the hands of protesters. I think its appropriate to offer corrected info.
- whatever1 6y agoOP forgot to mention the 2 pipe bombs, the long guns found and the famous zip tie guy. Also forgot to mention the chants to behead Pence and Pelosi.
- stonecraftwolf 6y agoTwo zip tie guys, one of whom was a retired Lt. Col. in the Air Force, and there’s video of a large group of men with apparent training and in matching tactical gear moving through the crowd towards the Capitol. One of them has an OathTakers shirt. These were militia.
- uoaei 6y agoOathkeepers / Three Percenters
- irrational 6y agoDon't forget the gallows!
- Jtsummers 6y agonostromo's comment doesn't seem to be a scorekeeping effort, more a statement of fact (though I will confess to having an initial reaction similar to yours before finishing reading). It's a good idea to keep the facts straight in general, but especially in such a controversial case.
- content_sesh 6y agoOne of the fatal medical issues was a man accidentally tazering himself to death while trying to loot a portrait of Tip O'Neill, so it seems reasonable to infer that one's "related to the violence"
- millzlane 6y agoI think this was disproved. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capitol-riot-taser-death/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capitol-riot-taser-death/
- jelliclesfarm 6y agoThanks for the link. It is disheartening and disappointing that some people decided to create an imagined instance of narrated mockery of a dead person by spreading a rumour/lie that he had died ‘tazing himself in the balls repeatedly’ causing distress to his bereaved family. Stripping a deceased person of their dignity via caricature is really a new low. This truly beggars belief and makes me very very sad. I hope the family finds peace.
- jfengel 6y agoI certainly agree that it's disappointing that people will so readily believe false and humiliating stories about somebody they don't like. But describing it as "a new low" against the background of a violent disruption of Congress, with the intent of interfering with the peaceful transition of power... that's not a phrase I'd have thought to use. The mockery is disgusting and disappointing, as is the gullibility of its spread, but both are very common. The violence, by contrast, is genuinely novel.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago> The violence, by contrast, is genuinely novel. The violence is not ‘genuinely novel’. We certainly saw many instances of creative ways of violent destruction in protests by the other side in 2020. Anyways...my 2c. Ymmv.
- DataWorker 6y agoIt would be silly to not treat the suicide as a consequence of the situation. Either a head injury or simple psychological stress. He lost colleagues at the very least he should have had access to better mental health resources.
- stonecraftwolf 6y agoThey stopped being protestors the second they stormed the capitol looking to kill or kidnap elected officials. They’re insurrectionists, and being charged as such.
- Rebelgecko 6y agoWere any of the 3 that had heart issues/strokes actually in the Capitol building?
- newacct583 6y agoFWIW: the legal tresspass started several hundred feet away from the building proper. There was a police barrier in place that was the first thing violated.
- cma 6y agoThere was a lady with a don't tread on me flag that was trampled to death in a crowd/mob squeeze against the police: https://www.revolt.tv/news/2021/1/8/22221070/woman-trump-supporter-trampled-death-us-capitol https://www.revolt.tv/news/2021/1/8/22221070/woman-trump-sup... If it was a heart issue there was a bit more to it than simple heart attack.
- nostromo 6y agoThere are conflicting reports of how she died. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rosanne-boyland-died-capitol-riot-promised-stand-sidelines-sister-says/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rosanne-boyland-died-capitol-ri... The Onionesque headline is apparently too good to fact check though, because lots of media outlets are running with it for laughs.
- cma 6y agoI think both accounts of he friend that was with her and the detective that contacted the family could easily be simultaneously true: she could have been crushed, pulled out, and then died of cardiac arrest later, and tried to indicate that in my original post where I said more Han a simple heart attack (as in instead a heart attack triggered by trauma, etc.).
- lettergram 6y ago> One cop died in the storming at the hands of the mob Didn’t they die the following day after returning to duty? I don’t recall, does anyone have a link?
- dragontamer 6y agoAt times like this, we should honor the fallen and remember their name. If only for the short time to honor their duty. Someone in the mob threw a fire extinguisher at Officer Sicknick's head. Later on the 1/6th, Sicknick collapsed due to a stroke (probably related to the beating he received). A day later on the 7th, he succumbed to his injury and died. I don't believe he ever "returned to duty", but now that we have his name, his story is at least more easily searchable.
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- bawolff 6y agoThe cop was beaten with a fire extinguisher and died later of the injuries sustained. That is definitely being killed by the mob. They don't get a pass because it took some time before the fatal injury caused death.
- benmaraschino 6y agoYup. We don't know the full details, and I don't want to speculate any more than I have to, but it needs to be pointed out that subdural/epidural hematomas caused by head injury can take some time to kill you. Remember Natasha Richardson? In any case, RIP Officer Sicknick.
- jrochkind1 6y agoNope, no returning to duty. Is this something going around the right-wing social media discussions? Huh.
- ogre_codes 6y agoDon't get your point here. If the mob (these weren't protestors, they were a mob) hadn't stormed the Capitol, nobody would have died.
- downandout 6y agoThat isn’t necessarily true though. Three of the people, regardless of what you call the group they happened to be in at the time, died of medical issues that have not been tied to the events of that day. They may have just as easily died had they gone for a jog that day.
- uoaei 6y agoI don't see how continually looping back to semantics and pedantry helps advance this conversation.
- brown9-2 6y agoOne of the three was trampled by the crowd, which rarely happens in non-crowd settings.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoIt can happen in crowd-but-not-storming-the-Capitol settings, though. A 100% peaceful protest is usually still a crowd.
- downandout 6y agoOk. What about the other two?
- ogre_codes 6y agoWhat a inane line of questioning. "Maybe they didn't die because of the riot?!" "It was really only 4 dead not 5 becomes someone might have died in their bathtub." This is the most insensitive fucked up hairsplitting I've ever read.
- rrauenza 6y agoOne of the medical issues was a trampled protestor... another supposedly had a medical issue unrelated to the riot while going to their car before or during the riot. https://people.com/politics/family-member-of-woman-who-died-riots-capitol-blames-trump/ https://people.com/politics/family-member-of-woman-who-died-... Haven’t found a reference for the other.
- BitwiseFool 6y agoIf the cause of death isn't easy to find that strongly implies the death wasn't direct. Because if it was you'd be hearing way more about it and it would be much more well documented.
- slivanes 6y agoI found it ironic that one protestor who died carried a "don't tread on me" flag was trampled to death by fellow protestors.
- _Microft 6y agoShe might have been a protestor earlier that day but at the time it happened she had become an intruder. This does not mean that she actually deserved to be shot but only that it should not come as a surprise that she was.
- newacct583 6y ago> Three protestors had fatal medical issues, and it's not clear they were related to the violence. Rosanne Boyland was trampled. Certainly that's related to the violence. The other two were a stroke and a heart attack, both of which seem almost certain to have had as a proximate cause the stress of mob violence.