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Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News.

Griffinsauce 6y ago
Yes but only one of those two lies more than it tells the truth and incites violence.
cgrealy 6y ago
This is the fundamental problem in the US. There is a large group of people on the right that think that pointing out the objective issues with Trump is being "biased". Sometimes, there just aren't two sides to a story, or more accurately one side is true and the other believes they had the biggest inauguration crowd ever. The rest of the world clearly sees this. I'll openly admit to being a left-leaning liberal, but even my friends who vote right wing think that Trump is an embarrassment.
- jeofken 6y ago
  > The rest of the world clearly sees this. I’d encourage speaking for yourself Kind regards (Part of) The rest of the world
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  One of the most interesting things cable news networks do is compile clips of their competitors caught in acts of hypocrisy, self-contradiction, breathless hyperbole and blatant lying. They can all do this to each other because they are all guilty of it. Cable news is a tower of partisan propaganda.
  - creato 6y ago
    Social media has the exact same problem magnified 100 fold, because there is so much more content to cherrypick from. People only see the actions of extremists and attribute that behavior to everyone that doesn't agree with them. Traditional media definitely has flaws, but rejecting them in favor of social media because of it is an absurd and incredibly destructive reaction.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      This is not (as) true of most other traditional media, e.g. local newspapers to the extent that they still exist. But cable news really is propaganda. Fox used to be the worst offender, but now they're all that bad, though playing for different teams of course. There seems to be some kind of law that the larger a media outlet is, the more partisan it gets. Which is why social media is like the Exxon Valdez crashed into Deepwater Horizon and caught on fire.
    - runawaybottle 6y ago
      It’s because the masses are trying to partake in serious discourse in a non-serious way. On any given day, two different perspectives agreeing to intellectually consider why the other side is objectively incorrect (as in, not just agreeing they are simply different) is a serious undertaking. If you casually take any topic, every single day, and allow people to do the thought experiment that one argument is more valid in a casual manner, you will 100% have to cut corners because you did not seriously approach the task. The most obvious way is you paint an enemy, or the notion of the other, an idea of a threat. The average person in NYC really has no business having a dinner time objective discussion with someone from Missouri about gun ownership. Really the discussion should come down to ‘we have a lot space and gun culture in Missouri and it’s something we enjoy’, followed by ‘Interesting, it’s not the biggest thing here in NYC actually’. That’s about it. But if there is an institution, I don’t know, let’s call it a fight club (the media), that says ‘you two at dinner, get ready to fight’, the two contestants will fight in an inexperienced way. Hair pulling, throwing rocks, no real jabs, conditioning, submissions, no fight experience. It is not a casual ordeal to debate, and this is what the media is making people do. We are not ready amongst ourselves to debate constitutional law and the rights of man, and the compromises needed to maintain society. It’s a serious thing to enter into that discussion. The only take away I see in all of this is that there is a market for the un-serious, and there are some serious people (media) interested in that market.
      - manigandham 6y ago
        Well put. This political battle is being fought at the lowest levels of discourse that's barely above animalistic screeching while trying to tangle some of the most complex and nuanced topics; and the results are predictably ridiculous.
  - cgrealy 6y ago
    Sorry, but no. CNN, MSNBC, etc are far from perfect, but let's not pretend that "both sides are as bad as each other". Fox (to say nothing of the absolute swamp that is OANN or Newsmax) are an order of magnitude worse than the so called "left" channels (only in the US would CNN be considered a left wing news channel). The reason that CNN, etc are "biased" against Trump is because reality is bisaed against Trump. He's just a terrible president, a lousy business man and an awful human. Again, only in the US would that be considered a controversial statement.
    - loopz 6y ago
      Just consider the birther gaslighting, or everything else.
      - Noos 6y ago
        people forget the dominionist gaslighting of Sarah Palin. Pretty much every republican is seen as mini hitler these days-the shit that was said about George Bush Jr for example.
        loopz 6y ago
        The criticisms of those people were about what they said and did though, not who they are. That is not gaslighting but speaking back at power.
    - manigandham 6y ago
      "Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. Who cares what a news channel is considered in some other country? And yes, all the news channels are equally terrible. This is not at all hard to find, but it may be hard to accept.
      - cgrealy 6y ago
        > “Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. And only in the US would someone be so insular as to make such a statement :) The US is still the largest economy in the world. As much as the rest of us would love to turn a blind eye when they elect an incompetent sociopath, unfortunately, we have to deal with his bullshit.
  - reddog 6y ago
    The more cable news you watch the stupider you get. You can actually feel your IQ dropping minute by minute as you watch Fox or MSNBC. They aren't there to make you more informed, their sole purpose is to say whatever will keep you engaged long enough to sell you deodorant, prescription pharmaceuticals and pickup trucks. They are a Dunning-Kruger effect generator. Whenever someone mentions something they saw on CNN last night my opionion of them drops. The good news is that your cognitive function is not permanently lost, it can be quickly recovered by just turning off the TV and reading a book, playing with the dog or going on a long walk.
    - jimbob45 6y ago
      I wish this wasn’t being downvoted. It’s so tempting to sit back and let the news networks do your thinking for you. In reality, just 10 minutes of news browsing a day will garner 80% of the news you need to know about. Yes, keeping up with current events is an important part of being a good citizen but there are quickly diminishing returns on that and it’s never worth sacrificing parts of your life and livelihood for.
mschuster91 6y ago
> Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? In Germany, we have the section §130 StGB in our criminal code: incitement to hatred. While it would be extremely hard if not impossible to get a TV station such as Fox News to be banned here, its hosts/mouthpieces/guests could certainly be sanctioned - up to actual jail time. Also, our core media codex ("Medienstaatsvertrag") binds all broadcasting stations - radio, TV, streaming - to journalistic integrity and truthful reporting (§§6, 19, 51 MStV). > What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News. I have yet to see a report that CNN broadcasts people that claim that the election was "stolen" or "manipulated". There is a massive difference between biased reporting and openly distributing lies.
- camhart 6y ago
  I'm guessing here, but this likely doesn't remove bias. Could they simply refuse to air certain facts? Oftentimes that's all it takes. Pick the facts you report. You aren't reporting anything "false", but the truth isn't being depicted. From what I've heard Fox reports that millions believe there was fraud. Not that there was actual fraud. I haven't fact checked this, because it came from a left leaning source and I believed it.
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    > I'm guessing here, but this likely doesn't remove bias. Could they simply refuse to air certain facts? Not without risking violating the part about "journalistic integrity". Of course there was and will always be some sort of bias (e.g. the tabloid BILD is famous for being on the right wing), but it's nowhere near the scale of Fox News.
- reddog 6y ago
  >I have yet to see a report that CNN broadcasts people that claim that the election was "stolen" or "manipulated". There is a massive difference between biased reporting and openly distributing lies. You may have missed it being in Germany, but for 3 years CNN, NYT, MSNBC, et al reported 24/7 that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election. The Justice Dept spent millions thoroughly investigaing that claim and it turned out to be all lies.
dboreham 6y ago
> Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? Yes. Failing that let's do what was done to the cigarette industry -- figure out how to make them legally liable for the death they cause.
- Pinegulf 6y ago
  No, neither. “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” ref: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66643-he-who-knows-only-his-own-side-of-the-case https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66643-he-who-knows-only-his...
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Politics is the mind-killer. Even those of us who wish to be rational and practice rationalism, suck at applying the methods of rationality to politics by default. I don’t have a magic-wand solution to this (and I’d be surprised if such a solution exists), but we’ve just witnessed what happens if you let people argue endlessly in bad faith without consequence, and what happened was not good. Perhaps your way is the least-bad outcome overall? I wouldn’t know, but you do not appear to have made that argument.
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vehemenz 6y ago
Preposterous. CNN is not as biased as Fox News. Where does this narrative come from? After 9/11, I don't remember CNN becoming the propaganda machine for a political party courting religious zealots and xenophobic "patriots" while sliding into its own editorial extremism. Even if CNN were as biased as Fox News, the problems would not end there. Fox News peddles misinformation, disinformation, white nationalism, resentment politics, and Trumpism (besides everything pre-Trump mentioned before). There's no really no comparison.
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- joverholt 6y ago
  Do you watch CNN? For about 2 years they had cnn playing on a tv near the break room, so as I refilled my water bottle, I got to see what cnn thought was the most important (Trump) news. They spent a week on how much diet soda he drank. They had experts on saying why it could cause mental problems and that they should use the 25th on him. They spent several days when he had 2 scoops of ice cream at a White House dinner, while his guests only got one scoop. I wish I was joking about this, but I am not. I sometimes wonder what Wolf Blitzer thinks as he’s commenting on some of these stories. Such a name, wasted. Those are the two most comical, but the scary thing is all news is biased. Two sides of the same coin. If you don’t think so, I suggest you search out other sources. Why wouldn’t they be biased? News today is about making money, and cnn and others cashed in on the hate for trump.
  - o-__-o 6y ago
    I too remember the uproar of Obama wearing a tan suit. Or his mustard on a burger faux pas. And the weeklong intervention into the lack of an American flag on his lapel. This is why I say both sides hide skeletons in their closet.
    - cbozeman 6y ago
      Anyone who thinks mustard on a burger is a faux pas is a moron. Its ketchup... ketchup on burgers is a faux pas. Mayo & mustard goes on burgers, ketchup belongs in the garbage can. /r/KetchupHate users rise up!
lokedhs 6y ago
I'm not in the US, and I haven't visited the country in a very long time. But I'm casually curious about all of this, and have looked at US media. You are absolutely right that CNN is biased. They clearly are not trying to make it seem as though they aren't. The same with Fox, who are equally biased. However, only only of those outlets lets their reporters outright lie. Now, it may be that I'm looking in the wrong places, but if I were to see lies on CNN in the same way as I see it on Fox, I'll be happy to change my mind, but right now I think it's pretty clear which one needs to be curbed. Fox also allows comments on their stories. A lot of the real hateful stuff can be found there, and section 230 allows Fox to wash their hands of that. Perhaps Trump was on to something when he was campaigning to have it revoked? (the last part is sarcasm, of course). Edit note: (this post has been downvoted into oblivion. I honestly have no idea which "side" have been doing the downvoting. I wonder if it's because the downvoters misunderstood what I was saying, or if they did understand and simply disagree)
- antifreeze0 6y ago
  CNN ran with the Russia collusion story for almost 4 years straight. However when it was found out that Biden is meeting with Chinese companies or Hunters laptop they are extremely silent.
  - kingofpandora 6y ago
    So ... They are biased but not lying?
    - antifreeze0 6y ago
      The investigation found nothing. A producer on CNN event admitted it was fake and that they are doing it for views. https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-producer--joking-about-ethics-and-admitting-Russia-story-is-fake-431078973.html https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-... Seems like they are lying wouldn’t you say?
      - 6y ago
rorykoehler 6y ago
You can sue for defamation. We need similar laws for politicians (yellow cake WMD claims) and news media (Fox News blatant lies) where the people responsible are legally liable for what they say if they can't prove the veracity of their claims in court and/or if what they say turns out to be fabricated. Jail time is a must in this case. You can't have free speech without honest speech.
- jojobas 6y ago
  No need to sue if you can just ban your opponent from the internet.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    I want accountability not censorship.
    - jojobas 6y ago
      Isn't being Yezhoved out of reality an ultimate case of accountability for anyone political?
      - rorykoehler 6y ago
        No. I want real accountability.
        Noos 6y ago
        no, people here want to censor the right out of existence. I mean come on, Fox News? Really? The bar suddenly lowers to a point that is indefensible. It's really obvious these days that its one-sided, to the point where I throw up my hands and not expect any fairness.
        rorykoehler 6y ago
        What fairness? The far right want people dead for things they can’t change and you want to talk about fairness?
TheGRS 6y ago
I couldn't give a shit about CNN and I imagine most on here who don't watch Fox would say the same.
- MrMan 6y ago
  I don't watch any cable news or any TV except old movies
httpsterio 6y ago
Is it censorship of you u add consequences to lying?
- Grustaf 6y ago
  If lying was illegal the entire political system would implode. What if you punished Bush and Blair for their lies about "weapons of mass destruction"? How would that look? Of course you need to allow the good guys to lie, when they are working for good causes like bombing third world countries. You can't very well let the fickle populace decide such important things without a little nudging.
paul7986 6y ago
All pump out lies spread by both parties who make up whatever (strategy) to make the other look bad and win (win at all costs)... Some examples... Clinton Server Controversy Concluded years later nothing illegal took place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve... Mueller Report Concluded years later collusion did not take place (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/24/attorney-general-william-barr-to-release-mueller-russia-probe-findings.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/24/attorney-general-william-bar...) I'm sure millions still believe everything they let these outlets of their choice pump in their brain and get them revved up. For me it's all garbage (political drama) ... not to waste my time on.
e40 6y ago
What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News. Ahh, the "both sides" argument. No, Fox News and CNN are not the same. The fact that you believe this... I'm not going to try to dissuade you. I don't have that much free time.
e40 6y ago
I think any media outlet that knowingly lies should be stopped. 3 strikes? 10 strikes? Some system, whereby they will lose the ability to continue if they do what Fox News does.

Yes but only one of those two lies more than it tells the truth and incites violence.

This is the fundamental problem in the US. There is a large group of people on the right that think that pointing out the objective issues with Trump is being "biased". Sometimes, there just aren't two sides to a story, or more accurately one side is true and the other believes they had the biggest inauguration crowd ever. The rest of the world clearly sees this. I'll openly admit to being a left-leaning liberal, but even my friends who vote right wing think that Trump is an embarrassment.

jeofken 6y ago
> The rest of the world clearly sees this. I’d encourage speaking for yourself Kind regards (Part of) The rest of the world
AnthonyMouse 6y ago
One of the most interesting things cable news networks do is compile clips of their competitors caught in acts of hypocrisy, self-contradiction, breathless hyperbole and blatant lying. They can all do this to each other because they are all guilty of it. Cable news is a tower of partisan propaganda.
- creato 6y ago
  Social media has the exact same problem magnified 100 fold, because there is so much more content to cherrypick from. People only see the actions of extremists and attribute that behavior to everyone that doesn't agree with them. Traditional media definitely has flaws, but rejecting them in favor of social media because of it is an absurd and incredibly destructive reaction.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    This is not (as) true of most other traditional media, e.g. local newspapers to the extent that they still exist. But cable news really is propaganda. Fox used to be the worst offender, but now they're all that bad, though playing for different teams of course. There seems to be some kind of law that the larger a media outlet is, the more partisan it gets. Which is why social media is like the Exxon Valdez crashed into Deepwater Horizon and caught on fire.
  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    It’s because the masses are trying to partake in serious discourse in a non-serious way. On any given day, two different perspectives agreeing to intellectually consider why the other side is objectively incorrect (as in, not just agreeing they are simply different) is a serious undertaking. If you casually take any topic, every single day, and allow people to do the thought experiment that one argument is more valid in a casual manner, you will 100% have to cut corners because you did not seriously approach the task. The most obvious way is you paint an enemy, or the notion of the other, an idea of a threat. The average person in NYC really has no business having a dinner time objective discussion with someone from Missouri about gun ownership. Really the discussion should come down to ‘we have a lot space and gun culture in Missouri and it’s something we enjoy’, followed by ‘Interesting, it’s not the biggest thing here in NYC actually’. That’s about it. But if there is an institution, I don’t know, let’s call it a fight club (the media), that says ‘you two at dinner, get ready to fight’, the two contestants will fight in an inexperienced way. Hair pulling, throwing rocks, no real jabs, conditioning, submissions, no fight experience. It is not a casual ordeal to debate, and this is what the media is making people do. We are not ready amongst ourselves to debate constitutional law and the rights of man, and the compromises needed to maintain society. It’s a serious thing to enter into that discussion. The only take away I see in all of this is that there is a market for the un-serious, and there are some serious people (media) interested in that market.
    - manigandham 6y ago
      Well put. This political battle is being fought at the lowest levels of discourse that's barely above animalistic screeching while trying to tangle some of the most complex and nuanced topics; and the results are predictably ridiculous.
- cgrealy 6y ago
  Sorry, but no. CNN, MSNBC, etc are far from perfect, but let's not pretend that "both sides are as bad as each other". Fox (to say nothing of the absolute swamp that is OANN or Newsmax) are an order of magnitude worse than the so called "left" channels (only in the US would CNN be considered a left wing news channel). The reason that CNN, etc are "biased" against Trump is because reality is bisaed against Trump. He's just a terrible president, a lousy business man and an awful human. Again, only in the US would that be considered a controversial statement.
  - loopz 6y ago
    Just consider the birther gaslighting, or everything else.
    - Noos 6y ago
      people forget the dominionist gaslighting of Sarah Palin. Pretty much every republican is seen as mini hitler these days-the shit that was said about George Bush Jr for example.
      - loopz 6y ago
        The criticisms of those people were about what they said and did though, not who they are. That is not gaslighting but speaking back at power.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    "Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. Who cares what a news channel is considered in some other country? And yes, all the news channels are equally terrible. This is not at all hard to find, but it may be hard to accept.
    - cgrealy 6y ago
      > “Only in the US" is only what matters when discussing US politics. And only in the US would someone be so insular as to make such a statement :) The US is still the largest economy in the world. As much as the rest of us would love to turn a blind eye when they elect an incompetent sociopath, unfortunately, we have to deal with his bullshit.
- reddog 6y ago
  The more cable news you watch the stupider you get. You can actually feel your IQ dropping minute by minute as you watch Fox or MSNBC. They aren't there to make you more informed, their sole purpose is to say whatever will keep you engaged long enough to sell you deodorant, prescription pharmaceuticals and pickup trucks. They are a Dunning-Kruger effect generator. Whenever someone mentions something they saw on CNN last night my opionion of them drops. The good news is that your cognitive function is not permanently lost, it can be quickly recovered by just turning off the TV and reading a book, playing with the dog or going on a long walk.
  - jimbob45 6y ago
    I wish this wasn’t being downvoted. It’s so tempting to sit back and let the news networks do your thinking for you. In reality, just 10 minutes of news browsing a day will garner 80% of the news you need to know about. Yes, keeping up with current events is an important part of being a good citizen but there are quickly diminishing returns on that and it’s never worth sacrificing parts of your life and livelihood for.

mschuster91 6y ago

> Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? In Germany, we have the section §130 StGB in our criminal code: incitement to hatred. While it would be extremely hard if not impossible to get a TV station such as Fox News to be banned here, its hosts/mouthpieces/guests could certainly be sanctioned - up to actual jail time. Also, our core media codex ("Medienstaatsvertrag") binds all broadcasting stations - radio, TV, streaming - to journalistic integrity and truthful reporting (§§6, 19, 51 MStV). > What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News. I have yet to see a report that CNN broadcasts people that claim that the election was "stolen" or "manipulated". There is a massive difference between biased reporting and openly distributing lies.

camhart 6y ago
I'm guessing here, but this likely doesn't remove bias. Could they simply refuse to air certain facts? Oftentimes that's all it takes. Pick the facts you report. You aren't reporting anything "false", but the truth isn't being depicted. From what I've heard Fox reports that millions believe there was fraud. Not that there was actual fraud. I haven't fact checked this, because it came from a left leaning source and I believed it.
- mschuster91 6y ago
  > I'm guessing here, but this likely doesn't remove bias. Could they simply refuse to air certain facts? Not without risking violating the part about "journalistic integrity". Of course there was and will always be some sort of bias (e.g. the tabloid BILD is famous for being on the right wing), but it's nowhere near the scale of Fox News.
reddog 6y ago
>I have yet to see a report that CNN broadcasts people that claim that the election was "stolen" or "manipulated". There is a massive difference between biased reporting and openly distributing lies. You may have missed it being in Germany, but for 3 years CNN, NYT, MSNBC, et al reported 24/7 that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election. The Justice Dept spent millions thoroughly investigaing that claim and it turned out to be all lies.

dboreham 6y ago

> Do you believe Fox News should be banned/censored? Yes. Failing that let's do what was done to the cigarette industry -- figure out how to make them legally liable for the death they cause.

Pinegulf 6y ago
No, neither. “He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.” ref: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66643-he-who-knows-only-his-own-side-of-the-case https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/66643-he-who-knows-only-his...
- ben_w 6y ago
  Politics is the mind-killer. Even those of us who wish to be rational and practice rationalism, suck at applying the methods of rationality to politics by default. I don’t have a magic-wand solution to this (and I’d be surprised if such a solution exists), but we’ve just witnessed what happens if you let people argue endlessly in bad faith without consequence, and what happened was not good. Perhaps your way is the least-bad outcome overall? I wouldn’t know, but you do not appear to have made that argument.
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vehemenz 6y ago

Preposterous. CNN is not as biased as Fox News. Where does this narrative come from? After 9/11, I don't remember CNN becoming the propaganda machine for a political party courting religious zealots and xenophobic "patriots" while sliding into its own editorial extremism. Even if CNN were as biased as Fox News, the problems would not end there. Fox News peddles misinformation, disinformation, white nationalism, resentment politics, and Trumpism (besides everything pre-Trump mentioned before). There's no really no comparison.

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joverholt 6y ago
Do you watch CNN? For about 2 years they had cnn playing on a tv near the break room, so as I refilled my water bottle, I got to see what cnn thought was the most important (Trump) news. They spent a week on how much diet soda he drank. They had experts on saying why it could cause mental problems and that they should use the 25th on him. They spent several days when he had 2 scoops of ice cream at a White House dinner, while his guests only got one scoop. I wish I was joking about this, but I am not. I sometimes wonder what Wolf Blitzer thinks as he’s commenting on some of these stories. Such a name, wasted. Those are the two most comical, but the scary thing is all news is biased. Two sides of the same coin. If you don’t think so, I suggest you search out other sources. Why wouldn’t they be biased? News today is about making money, and cnn and others cashed in on the hate for trump.
- o-__-o 6y ago
  I too remember the uproar of Obama wearing a tan suit. Or his mustard on a burger faux pas. And the weeklong intervention into the lack of an American flag on his lapel. This is why I say both sides hide skeletons in their closet.
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    Anyone who thinks mustard on a burger is a faux pas is a moron. Its ketchup... ketchup on burgers is a faux pas. Mayo & mustard goes on burgers, ketchup belongs in the garbage can. /r/KetchupHate users rise up!

lokedhs 6y ago

I'm not in the US, and I haven't visited the country in a very long time. But I'm casually curious about all of this, and have looked at US media. You are absolutely right that CNN is biased. They clearly are not trying to make it seem as though they aren't. The same with Fox, who are equally biased. However, only only of those outlets lets their reporters outright lie. Now, it may be that I'm looking in the wrong places, but if I were to see lies on CNN in the same way as I see it on Fox, I'll be happy to change my mind, but right now I think it's pretty clear which one needs to be curbed. Fox also allows comments on their stories. A lot of the real hateful stuff can be found there, and section 230 allows Fox to wash their hands of that. Perhaps Trump was on to something when he was campaigning to have it revoked? (the last part is sarcasm, of course). Edit note: (this post has been downvoted into oblivion. I honestly have no idea which "side" have been doing the downvoting. I wonder if it's because the downvoters misunderstood what I was saying, or if they did understand and simply disagree)

antifreeze0 6y ago
CNN ran with the Russia collusion story for almost 4 years straight. However when it was found out that Biden is meeting with Chinese companies or Hunters laptop they are extremely silent.
- kingofpandora 6y ago
  So ... They are biased but not lying?
  - antifreeze0 6y ago
    The investigation found nothing. A producer on CNN event admitted it was fake and that they are doing it for views. https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-producer--joking-about-ethics-and-admitting-Russia-story-is-fake-431078973.html https://www.valleynewslive.com/content/news/Video-shows-CNN-... Seems like they are lying wouldn’t you say?
    - 6y ago

rorykoehler 6y ago

You can sue for defamation. We need similar laws for politicians (yellow cake WMD claims) and news media (Fox News blatant lies) where the people responsible are legally liable for what they say if they can't prove the veracity of their claims in court and/or if what they say turns out to be fabricated. Jail time is a must in this case. You can't have free speech without honest speech.

jojobas 6y ago
No need to sue if you can just ban your opponent from the internet.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  I want accountability not censorship.
  - jojobas 6y ago
    Isn't being Yezhoved out of reality an ultimate case of accountability for anyone political?
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      No. I want real accountability.
      - Noos 6y ago
        no, people here want to censor the right out of existence. I mean come on, Fox News? Really? The bar suddenly lowers to a point that is indefensible. It's really obvious these days that its one-sided, to the point where I throw up my hands and not expect any fairness.
        rorykoehler 6y ago
        What fairness? The far right want people dead for things they can’t change and you want to talk about fairness?

TheGRS 6y ago

I couldn't give a shit about CNN and I imagine most on here who don't watch Fox would say the same.

MrMan 6y ago
I don't watch any cable news or any TV except old movies

httpsterio 6y ago

Is it censorship of you u add consequences to lying?

Grustaf 6y ago
If lying was illegal the entire political system would implode. What if you punished Bush and Blair for their lies about "weapons of mass destruction"? How would that look? Of course you need to allow the good guys to lie, when they are working for good causes like bombing third world countries. You can't very well let the fickle populace decide such important things without a little nudging.

paul7986 6y ago

All pump out lies spread by both parties who make up whatever (strategy) to make the other look bad and win (win at all costs)... Some examples... Clinton Server Controversy Concluded years later nothing illegal took place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve... Mueller Report Concluded years later collusion did not take place (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/24/attorney-general-william-barr-to-release-mueller-russia-probe-findings.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/24/attorney-general-william-bar...) I'm sure millions still believe everything they let these outlets of their choice pump in their brain and get them revved up. For me it's all garbage (political drama) ... not to waste my time on.

e40 6y ago

What about CNN? They are as biased as Fox News. Ahh, the "both sides" argument. No, Fox News and CNN are not the same. The fact that you believe this... I'm not going to try to dissuade you. I don't have that much free time.

e40 6y ago

I think any media outlet that knowingly lies should be stopped. 3 strikes? 10 strikes? Some system, whereby they will lose the ability to continue if they do what Fox News does.