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Tor – All v3 onion addresses are unavailable

98 points by h1x 6y ago

WhoCaresLies 6y ago
when we want, we can track everyone right
- ReactiveJelly 6y ago
  I hope not. I have actual need for free speech since I'm not a fascist.
  - cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
    If you're not a fascist then simply be quiet, because the Non-Fascists in control who agree with all truly decent people are going to limit themselves to censoring fascists and you have nothing to worry about.
    - generalizations 6y ago
      > First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a socialist. > [...] > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Be careful in the application of your apathy.
      - Ariez 6y ago
        It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic!
        vinceguidry 6y ago
        You just watch yourself, sarcastic twits are fourth down on today's list. And you just outed one.
        cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
        Don't be ridiculous. Only fascist enemies of the state are ever sarcastic.
        throw0101a 6y ago
        > It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic! Yeah… > Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.[1][2][3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
        Reedx 6y ago
        It's increasingly difficult to tell what's sarcasm and parody.
        generalizations 6y ago
        No, it wasn't clear. It's not that different from views I've seen expressed on here before.
  - deleted 6y ago
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- gwbas1c 6y ago
  A lot of people confuse pseudo anonymity with true anonymity. With tracking someone, "when there's a will, there's a way." The same thing applies to platforms like tor: If there's a will to track someone down, something like tor is mainly a speed bump; not a guarantee. Just look at how the Silk Road was brought down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest_and_trial_of_Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest...
  - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
    It's a pretty steep speed bump. Roberts was caught because he was sloppy. Centralizing the world under one ISP and legal jurisdiction would truly enable tracking anyone through Tor via timing analysis (but even then people would be able to use fancy, time-delayed mixnets). Outlawing/enforcing/banning any suspicious traffic from anyone ever would be a solid solution too. Mounting AI-monitored cameras behind every monitor or on everyone's forehead would be even better. Doing those things are even steeper speed bumps.
    - gwbas1c 6y ago
      Or was it that he didn't have the know-how? You need to have some pretty advanced knowledge to operate on the internet and not leave a trace.
      - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
        It was literally because he used the same username in multiple places and, early on, he used an email address containing his full real name.[0] If it's advanced not to do that, the bar isn't very high. :p 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest
pacamara619 6y ago
> It appears that somebody has made their own Tor client implementation and it fetches its dir info in a very rude way. If anybody knows details of it, please do let us know. How is it possible for a "rude client" to cripple TOR in this way?
- bombcar 6y ago
  If I were to attack the Tor project that's one of the cards I'd want in my quiver to mix metaphors with a blender; assume there's a deficiency in v2 addresses; having a weakness in the protocol that allows someone to "crash" v3 addresses and force everyone back to v2 for a period of time might be a one-time shot; but it could be worth playing the card if the stakes were high... The coincidence of this with Parler and all the hoopla going on right now is interesting. Nothing to see, citizen, move along.
  - tw04 6y ago
    >The coincidence of this with Parler and all the hoopla going on right now is interesting. Nothing to see, citizen, move along. Are you suggesting if there's a credible threat to the president elect at the inauguration that our 3-letter agencies shouldn't do everything in their power to stop it?
    - fckthisguy 6y ago
      Yes. If "do everything in their power" includes crippling global resources. Of the US did this to the regular internet, the rest of the world would be pissed.
      - Craighead 6y ago
        TOR. You mean the US Navy project?
- kodablah 6y ago
  Directory servers, the DNS of Tor iirc, are a central point of failure I believe. I would guess it's hard to distribute this and keep queriers anonymous. Can do a DHT over Tor, but you still need known address list to bootstrap.
aaron695 6y ago
DDOS theory here - https://darknetdaily.com/?p=1030 https://darknetdaily.com/?p=1030
- rfreytag 6y ago
  using TOR to open this link I get ... "Access denied. Your IP address is blacklisted. If you feel this is in error please contact your hosting provider's abuse department." Archive.org link works: https://web.archive.org/web/20210110154350/https://darknetdaily.com/?p=1030 https://web.archive.org/web/20210110154350/https://darknetda... Internet Archive donate link: https://archive.org/donate/ https://archive.org/donate/
  - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
    Seems like this might be more related to Bitcoin (it recently hit an all-time high of $40k) than plots against right-wing groups: ``` I am aware of at least 2 markets that have paid for attacks against other markets within the last few weeks. I also know of one wishing to pay for retaliation attacks. This behavior from market admins is absolutely unacceptable and it will not be tolerated. You have [b]no idea[/b] of the ramifications this has, it is way beyond just taking your competitor offline, inadvertadly, but you are causing a problem that is a great deal worse without even knowing it, if market admins wish me to disclose these other issues to them, they can contact me directly and you will soon rethink your poor business strategy. – From here, there will be extreme consequences for any Market admin found to be funding attacks against any other service, market or not. You know who you are and I won’t publicly out you here for it, for the time being. ```
Hnsuz 6y ago
What happend to good ol validations? Can we build a bit harder these servers.. These services are cornerstone to many people. These days you have to be so so carefull with everything. Critical thinking seems to be crime these days to our police state lovers.
flotzam 6y ago
Why does this affect only v3 onions, and not v2 onions or "exiting to the regular internet" connections?
motohagiography 6y ago
Hard not to speculate this as part of the coordinated purge of right wing media right now, as they were conceivably going to move to darknets, except suddenly new onion addresses aren't available. This would be consistent with the level of attack a state would use. The when always matters more than the what.

98 points by h1x 6y ago

WhoCaresLies 6y ago

when we want, we can track everyone right

ReactiveJelly 6y ago
I hope not. I have actual need for free speech since I'm not a fascist.
- cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
  If you're not a fascist then simply be quiet, because the Non-Fascists in control who agree with all truly decent people are going to limit themselves to censoring fascists and you have nothing to worry about.
  - generalizations 6y ago
    > First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— > Because I was not a socialist. > [...] > Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. Be careful in the application of your apathy.
    - Ariez 6y ago
      It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic!
      - vinceguidry 6y ago
        You just watch yourself, sarcastic twits are fourth down on today's list. And you just outed one.
      - cheaprentalyeti 6y ago
        Don't be ridiculous. Only fascist enemies of the state are ever sarcastic.
      - throw0101a 6y ago
        > It's pretty clear he was being sarcastic! Yeah… > Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied.[1][2][3] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
      - Reedx 6y ago
        It's increasingly difficult to tell what's sarcasm and parody.
      - generalizations 6y ago
        No, it wasn't clear. It's not that different from views I've seen expressed on here before.
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
gwbas1c 6y ago
A lot of people confuse pseudo anonymity with true anonymity. With tracking someone, "when there's a will, there's a way." The same thing applies to platforms like tor: If there's a will to track someone down, something like tor is mainly a speed bump; not a guarantee. Just look at how the Silk Road was brought down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest_and_trial_of_Ross_Ulbricht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)#Arrest...
- shrimp_emoji 6y ago
  It's a pretty steep speed bump. Roberts was caught because he was sloppy. Centralizing the world under one ISP and legal jurisdiction would truly enable tracking anyone through Tor via timing analysis (but even then people would be able to use fancy, time-delayed mixnets). Outlawing/enforcing/banning any suspicious traffic from anyone ever would be a solid solution too. Mounting AI-monitored cameras behind every monitor or on everyone's forehead would be even better. Doing those things are even steeper speed bumps.
  - gwbas1c 6y ago
    Or was it that he didn't have the know-how? You need to have some pretty advanced knowledge to operate on the internet and not leave a trace.
    - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
      It was literally because he used the same username in multiple places and, early on, he used an email address containing his full real name.[0] If it's advanced not to do that, the bar isn't very high. :p 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest

pacamara619 6y ago

> It appears that somebody has made their own Tor client implementation and it fetches its dir info in a very rude way. If anybody knows details of it, please do let us know. How is it possible for a "rude client" to cripple TOR in this way?

bombcar 6y ago
If I were to attack the Tor project that's one of the cards I'd want in my quiver to mix metaphors with a blender; assume there's a deficiency in v2 addresses; having a weakness in the protocol that allows someone to "crash" v3 addresses and force everyone back to v2 for a period of time might be a one-time shot; but it could be worth playing the card if the stakes were high... The coincidence of this with Parler and all the hoopla going on right now is interesting. Nothing to see, citizen, move along.
- tw04 6y ago
  >The coincidence of this with Parler and all the hoopla going on right now is interesting. Nothing to see, citizen, move along. Are you suggesting if there's a credible threat to the president elect at the inauguration that our 3-letter agencies shouldn't do everything in their power to stop it?
  - fckthisguy 6y ago
    Yes. If "do everything in their power" includes crippling global resources. Of the US did this to the regular internet, the rest of the world would be pissed.
    - Craighead 6y ago
      TOR. You mean the US Navy project?
kodablah 6y ago
Directory servers, the DNS of Tor iirc, are a central point of failure I believe. I would guess it's hard to distribute this and keep queriers anonymous. Can do a DHT over Tor, but you still need known address list to bootstrap.

aaron695 6y ago

DDOS theory here - https://darknetdaily.com/?p=1030 https://darknetdaily.com/?p=1030

rfreytag 6y ago
using TOR to open this link I get ... "Access denied. Your IP address is blacklisted. If you feel this is in error please contact your hosting provider's abuse department." Archive.org link works: https://web.archive.org/web/20210110154350/https://darknetdaily.com/?p=1030 https://web.archive.org/web/20210110154350/https://darknetda... Internet Archive donate link: https://archive.org/donate/ https://archive.org/donate/
- shrimp_emoji 6y ago
  Seems like this might be more related to Bitcoin (it recently hit an all-time high of $40k) than plots against right-wing groups: ``` I am aware of at least 2 markets that have paid for attacks against other markets within the last few weeks. I also know of one wishing to pay for retaliation attacks. This behavior from market admins is absolutely unacceptable and it will not be tolerated. You have [b]no idea[/b] of the ramifications this has, it is way beyond just taking your competitor offline, inadvertadly, but you are causing a problem that is a great deal worse without even knowing it, if market admins wish me to disclose these other issues to them, they can contact me directly and you will soon rethink your poor business strategy. – From here, there will be extreme consequences for any Market admin found to be funding attacks against any other service, market or not. You know who you are and I won’t publicly out you here for it, for the time being. ```

Hnsuz 6y ago

What happend to good ol validations? Can we build a bit harder these servers.. These services are cornerstone to many people. These days you have to be so so carefull with everything. Critical thinking seems to be crime these days to our police state lovers.

flotzam 6y ago

Why does this affect only v3 onions, and not v2 onions or "exiting to the regular internet" connections?

motohagiography 6y ago

Hard not to speculate this as part of the coordinated purge of right wing media right now, as they were conceivably going to move to darknets, except suddenly new onion addresses aren't available. This would be consistent with the level of attack a state would use. The when always matters more than the what.