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PeerTube v3
- spzx 6y ago"A minimalist and efficient peer-to-peer live stream The great feature of this v3 is live streaming, and we are proud to say that it works very well ! ... The main points to remember : The lag (between video maker and audience) varies between 30 seconds and 1mn, as expected ; Depending on the power of the server and its load (number of simultaneous live shows, transcoding, etc.), PeerTube can provide hundreds of simultaneous views (but we’re not sure that it will scale to thousands… at least not yet !) ; Administration options are included for people hosting the instance ; The features are minimalist by design, and we have documented our recommendations for creating a live ; The live can be done with most video streaming tool (we recommend the free-libre software OBS), with two options : An « short-lived » live, with a unique identifier, will offer the possibility to save the video and display a replay on the same link ; A « permanent » live stream, which will work more like a Twitch channel, but without the replay option."
- geoah 6y agoCongrats on a major update! Peertube is something I’ve been trying again and again from time to time. My main issue is finding instances to follow that are properly moderated. A lot of the suggested instances are filled with stolen content, porn, or just very wtf videos. I’m hoping that once peertube provides ways for users to sponsor/subscribe-to creators’ peertube channels that more will either jump ship from youtube or at least publish in both platforms.
- remram 6y agoA problem here is that the default configuration automatically follow back any instance that follows it, making all their content appear on its frontpage. I think that is a pretty unsafe default.
- lokedhs 6y agoDidn't that default change recently? I installed Peertube a couple of months ago, and I'm pretty sure that option was off by default (and I never changed it).
- remram 6y agoIt might have! I installed a while ago. I didn't find a fast way to un-follow all those automatically-followed instances though.
- pjc50 6y ago> lot of the suggested instances are filled with stolen content, porn, or just very wtf videos. The service that competes with youtube but is less convenient will necessarily be full of content banned from youtube.
- BlueTemplar 6y agoYeah, though as we can see from experience of Gab being the biggest Mastodon instance and Mastodon not having collapsed, it's possible to have an alternative without it necessarily becoming a "witch town".
- M2Ys4U 6y agoI'd take the claim that Gab was "the biggest Mastodon instance" with a pinch of salt, to be honest. Plus, they were immediately and almost universally banned by other instances in the fediverse
- BlueTemplar 6y agoYes, while technically true, it's only due to the way that they arrived vs the way the rest of the Mastodon federation grew.
- rewq4321 6y agoGab broke/removed the code for federation several months ago, so they're no longer part of the fediverse. See my reply to your GP for more details.
- rewq4321 6y agoGab left the fediverse quite a while ago now: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_still_part_of_mastadon/g2g5ghs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_sti... https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_still_part_of_mastadon/g3k2q7n/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/ie49qp/is_gab_sti... I don't think they ever really cared about decentralisation/federation. Seems they just wanted a nice codebase to work from.
- Vaslo 6y agoThis seems extremely relevant given everything going on. Do we have to worry about the same deplatforming and data tracking as we see on other media sites? Asking because I just don’t know - I don’t want to hop over just to have the same problems.
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- grahamburger 6y agoIt's decentralized. You can run your own server and post your stuff on it. That doesn't guarantee you a platform in the first place, but PeerTube itself can't really deplatform you. You could be deplatformed further up the stack, though, by your hosting provider, ssl provider, DNS registrar, etc.
- lasagnaphil 6y agoMaybe hosting isn't that hard to do it yourself, but what about SSL and DNS, or maybe even up to the ISP level? Is it feasible for a small group of people to build infrastructure to achieve total independence from deplatforming (within charity budgets)?
- grahamburger 6y agoTOR hidden services are, I think, the only quick and easy way to do this. Pirate Bay has been reasonably successful at staying accessible in the open, but not without considerable expense as I understand.
- kristofferR 6y agoIt's frankly astonishing the TPB still has their original .org domain.
- SubiculumCode 6y agoSo will PeerTube just become a tool for extremism? Or is that a feature? Are humans actually ready for the internet? I am not so sure. Just visited parler, and imagine a whole world filled with bat shit. Crazy, right?
- koolk3ychain 6y agoNow to wait and see how long until we get fined / arrested for using it! /s On a more serious note, this release looks awesome! I wonder if at some point, the real value add / perceived value of search and / or discovery on streaming and video platforms will cease to be relevant. It seems like search / reach is quickly becoming the only reason creators who directly monetize content distribute their content solely on YouTube.
- wGeF7H8Z59y985y 6y agoYou can’t label everything you disagree with as extremism. Advocate for the destruction of Israel on the basis that the Muslim god said so? That’s extremism. Holding different political views? That’s part of being a healthy and diverse society. I wish Americans would grow up and learn to coexist.
- Rebelgecko 6y agoThe problem is that a lot of these websites that exist as a safe haven for those who have been deplatformed are cesspools. The early adopters are the most toxic people, and things just go downhill from there. Seriously, go look at parler or voat. Here's an archive the voat post where it's shutdown was announced: https://archive.is/0kOST https://archive.is/0kOST Open it up and Control-F the n word or any antisemetic slur. That's not the sort of discourse you'd expect on a healthy and diverse platform. Edit: I should add that the threshold for Youtube demonetization is probably lower than the threshold for getting a subreddit banned, so maybe Peertube won't face the same fate. The federated model might help too, does each Peertube instance behave like a separate community? Are there any instances with communities yet?
- Shared404 6y ago> Are there any instances with communities yet? I don't know about instances with communities, but at least the Blender community has an instance.
- chrisco255 6y agoSo you provide the tools for users to moderate their own content,. I understand that my email provider has a spam filter, but it would be unacceptable if I was unable to tweak those settings myself. Why do we expect anything less from social media?
- BlueTemplar 6y agoConsidering that Gab has (kind of) "joined" Mastodon, and Mastodon hasn't collapsed into a garbage fire, federated and/or decentralized services seem to be resistant to this issue.
- hnaccy 6y agoI host a site with lots of videos so am curious about this. If I add this and another peertube syncs with mine it sounds like I would still be responsible for bandwidth to their users watching my videos from their peertube? Does any have experience with how much bandwidth is saved from p2p part? Given my content I imagine most users will not be watching same videos at same time so p2p is negligible benefit.
- 2Gkashmiri 6y agoFor live streaming, the p2p is very interesting. I will try to link a very interesting test where a lot of server bandwidth was supplied by p2p. That can be very useful. About regular videos, even if only 1 other person is watching, p2p is in effect. Edit: https://framacolibri.org/t/fonctionnalite-live-retour-dutilisation/10070/49 https://framacolibri.org/t/fonctionnalite-live-retour-dutili... Check this link. It has a user test the live. One screenshot shows 1 GB from server, 9 GB from peers. 15 GB upload.
- hda2 6y agoCan peertube be split into two parts that live on separate servers: one that hosts the web interface and the other that seeds the videos? I would love to use peertube but the webhosting infrastructure I use would never be able to provide the large bandwidth needed for seeding videos. I do have ample bandwidth on non web hosting servers though.
- xwdv 6y agoOk so where do we watch videos? Link?
- the_duke 6y agohttps://joinpeertube.org/instances#instances-list https://joinpeertube.org/instances#instances-list
- josteink 6y agoLooking at the list of instances available, it seems that PeerTube is particularly popular among French-speaking people compared to relative relative popularity of the language itself. Is there any reason cultural-wise to suggest why that may be?
- M2Ys4U 6y agoFramasoft - the organisation behind PeerTube - is French
- frebord 6y agoI hope this decentralized stuff isn't too late too the party - we need easy to use decentralized platforms ASAP
- riffic 6y agoas they say, the best time to build this hypothetical platform would have been 10 years ago. The second best time is now.
- roenxi 6y agoI like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.
- tamrix 6y agoDo people forget that for many years since the founding of YouTube, YouTube didn't have any video ads? The better question is, was not having ads on the YouTube platform a deliberate choice to help grow adoption over its competitors which would have had to have ads to run (at the time) the expensive servers?
- tachyonbeam 6y agoThere already are other networks. There's AppNexus in New York for one. I don't know if they are as strict with their requirements as Google. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppNexus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppNexus
- roenxi 6y agoI'll re-put what I'm thinking: The technology behind the fediverse is an important brick, so PeerTube 3 is interesting. But the house will only be liveable when someone figures out how companies like AppNexus integrate profitably and successfully into the fediverse.
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- qwantim1 6y agoI don’t agree. It’s an important thing, not the important thing. This is a great alternative to sharing large video files with others by having someone else just watch what they want of it, if you want to ensure it’s more permanent than- let’s say- Google Music. If the fear is that an evil Google competitor will come along that will do more damage- this wouldn’t enable that. That would take a serious amount of funding and technology, not a free clone of YouTube without all of the infrastructural backing.
- ge96 6y agoRandom side note, what if they have a mass-marketed "echo-like" device that is to form a meshnet that's not part of the regular internet. Would it happen? I get it's not like a trans atlantic line connecting continents and bandwidth etc... but other than jamming it would be "free". The other paranoia is hardware backdoor/software itself eg. AES encryption... seems overkill
- astrange 6y agoThen you'd have to talk to your neighbors, who as we can see on Best of Nextdoor are not that fun to be on an internet forum with.
- LockAndLol 6y agoThere are meshnet projects out there. As for devices, you could try the Freedombox? https://freedombox.org/#get https://freedombox.org/#get
- ge96 6y agoWow that's cool thanks for that link will check that out
- riffic 6y agoYou can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though. edit: one of my favorite PeerTube instances is https://tilvids.com https://tilvids.com -- an edutainment video community.
- cinquemb 6y agoYup, same with whats going on in defi with stable coins… as the existing system crowds people out and benefits fewer and fewer people more, more people will be incentivized to seek out alternatives
- jamesrcole 6y ago> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. I'm in favour of it, and hope it does well. But at the same time, constant growth itself doesn't mean that much. There's a big difference between slow constant growth and explosive constant growth. Something can constantly grow yet still remain something most people have never heard of. I think Linux on the desktop is a reasonable example of this. The alternatives will likely be constantly growing as well. > in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point it's going to be difficult to compete against YouTube... there has to be some reason why people use it instead of YouTube.
- kitotik 6y agoWhy does it need to compete with YouTube? Is it really a zerosum situation?
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- jamesrcole 6y agoIt doesn’t need to. But obviously there are people who want it to be at least fairly well used. The value of such a thing has a lot to do with how many people use it and how much content there is. You need users to give incentive for people to upload content. And you need content to incentivize new users.
- pjfin123 6y agoI made PeerTube and Mastadon accounts today out of curiosity and was generally impressed. Mastodon especially is quite usable (though obviously many fewer users than Twitter), the interface is as good as Twitter (better if you count not spamming you to login). I posted about my open source project and other random stuff and got several thought out, kind, non-spam replies with a new account. I imagine this is because of the barrier to entry and that I made my account on a open source focused instance. If Mastodon/federated social networking became popular I imagine there could be "Eternal September" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September) dynamics though. I wonder if paradoxically federated communication would let you improve the quality of discourse by more proactively banning people. Mastadon works on a federated system where anyone can run they're own "instance" which can then interact with other instances pretty seamlessly. Since people really can leave if they don't like the rules you could be pretty heavy handed with moderation within individual instances to ban obnoxious people or have an invite only system. PeerTube was a little rougher around the edges, but still very impressive for being pretty new and doing p2p video streaming. There was more lag than YouTube but with decent internet it's fine. The choices for instances aren't great and storage size and bandwith are limited. Storage/bandwith cost money though and that may just be making what's an invisible cost on YouTube visible. My Mastodon: https://fosstodon.org/@argosopentech https://fosstodon.org/@argosopentech My PeerTube: https://peervideo.club/video-channels/argosopentech/videos https://peervideo.club/video-channels/argosopentech/videos
- jrnichols 6y agoWould you be willing to talk about what you have for a backend for the PeerTube instance?
- makeworld 6y agoAn Eternal September can easily be avoided by joining a small server with a community you like. I and others would recommend over a couple hundred but under a couple thousand. As for improving discourse, I think you are exactly right. Unlike big tech Masto mods don't have the weight of the world on their shoulders and can moderate however. Nazi pits will still exist, but they'll be isolated.
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- Imnimo 6y agoI spent like 20 minutes trying to find something I would legitimately want to watch on PeerTube and came up empty. I can't tell if it's because PeerTube just happens to have a different type of content than what I like to watch, or because I don't understand how to make the best use of the search functionality, or if the search functionality is just bad. Regardless, it's a real tough sell for me to replace YouTube with a video service where I can't find anything I want to watch!
- kylebenzle 6y agoYouTube used to be like that. I think most people don't realize that for years YouTube was only good for watching Simpsons and Family Guy episodes. Without that start it never would have taken off.
- BlueTemplar 6y agoI've been using YouTube since almost the beginning and have never even bothered with using it to watch traditional TV (legal or illegal). Instead, when I remember that time (Google Video still was a competitor), things like these come to mind : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKqQxTURik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpKqQxTURik https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cq2ymJu7g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cq2ymJu7g (ok, this last one actually predates YouTube by a decade : https://web.archive.org/web/19991012210910/http://tie-tanic.com/download.html https://web.archive.org/web/19991012210910/http://tie-tanic.... "Expect about a 4 hour download time for the 48 Meg. [13 min? 5 min? QuickTime .mov] Version using a 56K connection." )
- qznc 6y agoIt would be great if https://media.ccc.de/ https://media.ccc.de/ would switch to PeerTube but they have their own stack. Still, conference videos are one way to resolve the chicken egg problem.
- LockAndLol 6y agoSome instances have global search (search across instances) activated, but there's also a website written by the devs of peertube to do that global search https://sepiasearch.org/ https://sepiasearch.org/ You can use that to first find the videos you like and decide if you like the instances they are on. Edit: To be honest, I spend 20 minutes on youtube trying to find the stuff that I want to watch and give up often too. Their content discovery really is terrible and only shows the highest rated and most watched, which doesn't help if you've watched them already.
- sundarurfriend 6y agoSome Peertube instances useful for English speakers: https://peertube.nielsemmer.com/videos/local?a-state=42 https://peertube.nielsemmer.com/videos/local?a-state=42 Documentaries, scitech talks, a few explanatory videos https://tilvids.com/ https://tilvids.com/ Varied. 'Fun facts' videos, educational, cooking, mythology, music, ... https://peerkids.com/videos/trending?a-state=42 https://peerkids.com/videos/trending?a-state=42 Peertube for kids - cartoons, education stuff from TEDEd, PBS, etc. that look fun and well-made https://peertube.opencloud.lu/videos/overview https://peertube.opencloud.lu/videos/overview Privacy, how-to videos, conference talks https://share.tube/videos/most-liked?a-state=42 https://share.tube/videos/most-liked?a-state=42 Tech reviews and opinions, FOSS tools, gaming, etc. https://v.pfaff.dev/videos/most-liked?a-state=42 https://v.pfaff.dev/videos/most-liked?a-state=42 Tech tool reviews, privacy https://conf.tube/ https://conf.tube/ Conference talks (I collected these some time back in response to someone asking for this, appropriately enough, on Mastodon.)
- fotad 6y agofirst link is 404 not found
- PersonalOps 6y agoAwesome! Most of the peertube stuff I've found out there has been FramaTube, a couple fringe-interest instances, those ones hosted by the creator which only have the owner's content (which is fine, I just need several instances like this to work), instances with super low bandwidth, instances in <not-my-language>, or some combination of the above. With the exception of the first one that 404s, every one of these is going to get a lot of use in our house! Do other peertube instances share the bandwidth or just share links to the original server? Would it make sense for me to setup a peertube instance purely to act as a caching proxy on my network?
- zimbatm 6y ago> On this occasion, we launched a fundraising campaign, with the aim of financing the €60,000 that this development would cost us. It's amazing how much was achieved with so little money. Compared to many startups that raised 1M for a year and barely have a product after that.
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- lokedhs 6y agoI upgraded my Peertube instance to 3.0 and tried to stream. I noticed that when I did a 4k 60 stream, it was very unstable. It turns out that streaming uses more RAM on the server (I only had a 2 GB digitalocean instance). When I did the upgrade, I didn't see any mention of how much memory is going to be needed for streaming (in particular if you have multiple streams going in parallel).
- reilly3000 6y agoHow does content like child pornography dealt with on peertube?
- berkes 6y agoOn lower levels. If you would live in a country where CP is accepted, rent a server or VPS there, get your domain there, get SSL there, and maybe accept only local payments, you'd be 'fine'. As in: nothing will stop you. You can replace CP with 'copyrighted material', or 'political activity' etc. in above. Turned around: the providers, and/or operators of a node (server, instance) are liable. Not the platform. As it should be, IMO.
- rakoo 6y agoTo go further: there is a configurable cross activity between instances, such that videos and comments published on one side can be seen from the other side, but only if the admins have allowed it. You can't end up accidentally showing unwanted material unless you trusted someone who publishes it, so it comes down to who do you accept in your circle
- Nic0 6y agoFramasoft who is behind this is famous in french opensource community for almost two decade. I guess it's unknown outside France?
- moreati 6y agoProbably. I've also been in Open Source around 20 years, UK based. I don't recall hearing about Framasoft before.
- LockAndLol 6y agoOpensource needs to somehow unify. With more awareness of open-source developers and projects between each other, we could maybe make some real difference. Opensource devs and maintainers could all from each other and collaborate together. Damn... I sound like a business person that throws around words like synergy.
- MayeulC 6y agoFramasoft is more about spreading the word than actual development, though. It is not that surprising it's little known abroad.
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- mikaeluman 6y agoExciting stuff. Congratulations to you for this major release. We need more alternatives and the decentralized approach is certainly interesting.
- tarkin2 6y agoCan you see what IPs are watching what videos, as with bittorrent?