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> while censoring the 50% rest of the political spectrum Let's be clear: moderating/banning the accounts of a man and his supporters who invited tens of thousa

> while censoring the 50% rest of the political spectrum Let's be clear: moderating/banning the accounts of a man and his supporters who invited tens of thousands of people to the United States Capitol, spent hours lying to them about the results of the election, and then weaponized them in an attempt to overthrow the US government is not a case of Twitter crossing some sort of threshold into tyranny. A grave crime was committed this week, and the wheels of the legal system are dysfunctional enough that the perpetrator wasn't arrested on the spot but instead allowed continued control of the US military and its nuclear weapon arsenal. Just because Twitter is able to act quickly outside the confines of the legal system doesn't mean we're descending into tech tyranny. I honestly don't want to hear another word about "leftist violence" or "the radical left" now that the right has unapologetically lined up behind the man who fomented a coup attempt.

mc32 6y ago
Ransacking through the capitol like imbeciles was very ill advised, but that’s not how a coup is executed. You need dedicated backers [cause oriented willing to sacrifice] high up in the armed forces as well as the intelligentsia. Rag tag groups do not execute coups. That’s a willful exaggeration and further evidence of how narratives tilt people’s thinking. This is the media and social media calling it that -they cannot help it. Are the armed forces classifying as a coup? It’s a ridiculous accusation. More of a coup attempt is the call for impeachment with two weeks left after the previous impeachment failed. It’s honestly sad.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  Honestly I feel bad for the people who were duped into doing the ransacking. They thought their leader was telling them the truth. The fact remains that the President gathered tens of thousands of people and, with a torrent of lies, weaponized them into an attack on the United States. Just because it failed doesn't make it any less grave of a crime.
  - tetrometal 6y ago
    > The fact remains that the President gathered tens of thousands of people and, with a torrent of lies, weaponized them into an attack on the United States. Just because it failed doesn't make it any less grave of a crime. I cannot fathom why you keep saying this. Please present some evidence.
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      If you believe Trumps claims of malfeasance are true then the burden of proof lies with you. These matters were addressed in courts throughout the nation and 60 lawsuits failed to prove them.
      - tetrometal 6y ago
        Not really. The vast majority were thrown out on procedural grounds. The left completely controls the MSM at this point. It's unsurprising that large swathes of officials, including judges, are unwilling to investigate their narrative for fear of being branded and extremist of one flavor or another. The right knows this, and so doesn't trust outcomes that aren't transparent. The left knows this too, but has no incentive to correct it, in spite of the damage it's going to cause to our democracy. I have the feeling we're about to find out in the US precisely how the left can go too far, and how Americans respond to it.
        mullingitover 6y ago
        > The vast majority were thrown out on procedural grounds. You'll be reassured to know they'll still be litigated soon. Dominion is coming for Sidney Powell over her fabricated claims, and I hope she gets a dignified, humane arrangement with a local homeless shelter after they're done with her.[1] I encourage everyone to read the entire filing. It's going to be a fun ride, I'm really looking forward to this case being heard in court. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-sues-sidney-powell-libel-billion-damages-2021-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-sues-sidney-powell-...
  - 6y ago
- jimkleiber 6y ago
  I think sometimes we judge events based on the outcomes not on the intent. If one of those people who got inside the building gained access to one of the members of Congress or Vice President Pence and took them hostage or harmed them, would you think that it were closer to a coup attempt? There were reports of how the National Guard seemed to be getting delayed because of not having the approval of, I believe, the President through the Department of Defense, to enter. As a person sitting here in my home, some of it looked rag tag and yet 1) I don't know what happened behind the scenes and 2) rag tag groups can cause a tremendous amount of chaos, e.g., if bombs had gone off outside the RNC or DNC.
  - roenxi 6y ago
    For starters, a right-wing coup that kicked off by taking outgoing-VP Pence hostage would be beyond ridiculous. Instead of own goals we'd all be using "Pence-d" as an idiom. If they'd taken Congresspeople hostage that would have been terrorism not a coup. The mob was totally unprepared, unimaginative, achieved no strategic outcomes and half of them are going to be in jail from now to forever. This is a coup in the same way that the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was a succession. It is clueless protestors playing around.
    - jimkleiber 6y ago
      Well, if they may have believed that if he didn't certify the election, then Trump would not have been the outgoing President. Maybe you're right in that the word "coup" is not the most precise one to use, I think what I meant more than anything is that sometimes we see something as less serious violence because the action didn't result in as severe of an outcome as was intended. So maybe not coup, but terrorist attack or insurrection or whatever word portrays the gravitas but aligns better with the meaning of the action. On a second note, I think we do this a lot in law as well—if I get into a tussle with someone and push them softly and they trip and hit their head and die, I will probably go to prison for much longer than if I repeatedly and angrily punch someone in the face and they don't die. I guess I'm just curious about how that works in our psyche.
    - jcranmer 6y ago
- lumost 6y ago
  Ultimately the capital police were distracted by multiple pipe bombs at the RNC/DNC headquarters, The FBI seized a van full of guns. The woman who was shot served 6 years in the DC air national guard, and directly trained on riot control in the DC metro area. This was an organized attempt to assault a joint-session of the newly elected congress discharging their duty to certify the election results for the Executive branch of government. Had the rioters reached the house or senate floor the US could have found itself without a legislative branch to legitimize the next president.
  - tetrometal 6y ago
    They did reach the floor. Some topless dude with horns and a fur cape pranced about the dais. And guess what? We're fine. You're pulling together a handful of facts from a massive event composed of trillions of facts and weaving them into a conspiracy. It was what it appeared to be. A rally that got out of hand.
    - design-material 6y ago
      So this is just a rally that got out of hand, harmless. I wonder - would you stand up for them if the crowd was a BLM crowd, and the outcomes the same? Would you stand up for them if it were a Muslim crowd, and the outcomes the same? If you would then that's admirable and consistent, so fair enough
      - tetrometal 6y ago
        I don't understand why you think I'm standing up for any of them.
        mullingitover 6y ago
        With all due respect, your comments today have been a textbook example of concern trolling.
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  A few of my favorite things that were brought to the capital. Zip ties, several guns, 11 molotov cocktails, 2 pipe bombs. Guliani also asked Tuberville to object to every state which if acted on would have required at least 11 days of 12 hour sessions with an armed angry mob outside. When they finally attacked it took hours to authorize the national guard to defend the capital giving the mob maximum time to terrorize congress. It we examine the possible failure modes in this situation we can imagine. - The mob could have slaughtered burned or blew up our congress or enough to frighten the rest into compliance. - The mob could have destroyed the physical copy of the ballots delaying the matter giving the mob more time to intimidate legislators further. - The legislature might have lost heart over 11 days of being terrorized by the mob outside and come to some compromise like allowing congress to vote on the matter one delegation one vote allowing the republicans to pick the next president. This would have only required all of the republican party and 6 democrats in the house to join to enact. They would simply have had to vote with the republicans to reject 36 states worth of EC votes in order to throw the election to the house. It is foolish to suppose this couldn't possibly have succeeded just because they are very very incompetent. They could never have enacted a traditional coup because the military was never on their side. This could actually have worked if our congress had lost heart. This was absolutely an attempted coup and we would be stupid to treat it as less.
  - potato 6y ago
    Turns out all you need for a coup is about 70 lightly armed boomers and a few zip ties.
    - mc32 6y ago
      An ISIS technical has more firepower than this. Oooooh 11 molotovs.... more than that were used in a number of demos this past summer... It’s a willful exaggeration and narrative driving.
      - paulryanrogers 6y ago
        Comparing the rioters' equipment to ISIS and other criminals doesn't make them any less troublesome, or their cause more sympathetic.
- sdenton4 6y ago
  If it fails it was just a joke, but if it succeeds it was serious... We were a few fuckups away from a pile of dead congressional representatives. Don't kid yourself.
- franklampard 6y ago
  > high up in the armed Command-in-Chief not high enough?
  - mc32 6y ago
    Do you mean all he needed to do was set up a con-call with the generals? Holy idiocy, did he fuck it up!
tetrometal 6y ago
Let's be very clear: Trump did not "incite" an "insurrection". The dude was trying to hold a rally. Shit got out of hand much like in the George Floyd riots, but to a much lesser degree. In spite of the relative magnitudes of the death and destruction in those events, the insane leftist media has somehow decided to paint the George Floyd riots as understandable at worst and freaking obligatory at best. At the same time that they paint the capitol building riot as an historic tragedy. It's absolutely batshit. It completely beggars belief that anyone can't or won't see it, yet here we are. And THIS is the primary reason we're seeing division in the nation today. It's not the handful of radical racists. It's not Trump's stupid tweets. It's the completely irrational and insane reaction by the left to anything that is not within their narrow and ever-shrinking Overton window. So go ahead, make excuses. Tell me you're the good guys and we're the bad guys. It doesn't matter anymore. As long as you continue blinding yourselves, this division will grow and eventually break this nation, probably sooner than later. Frankly, I don't care anymore, and neither does half of America.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  Let's not split hairs. When: You have the world's largest megaphone. You bring tens of thousands of hardline supporters to the Capitol on the day that officially seals the transfer of power. You and your henchmen spend hours forcefully lying and claiming that the entirety of the national election apparatus is in a conspiracy to steal the election. You tell them to march on the capitol to 'fight.' You are inciting a riot. When, as the capitol is being ransacked, you double down on the lie and continue to say the election was stolen, and to say you love them, you are continuing the riot and you are trying incite nationwide unrest. This isn't complicated or "a matter of opinion."
  - matz1 6y ago
    >You have the world's largest megaphone. You bring tens of thousands of hardline supporters to the Capitol on the day that officially seals the transfer of power. You and your henchmen spend hours forcefully lying and claiming that the entirety of the national election apparatus is in a conspiracy to steal the election. You tell them to march on the capitol to 'fight.' Here is where opinion differ. You may consider this inciting riot, but not everyone will agree to it, many other people don't consider this inciting riot.
centimeter 6y ago
Occupying a government building for a few hours to disrupt a ceremonial activity isn't an attempt to "overthrow the US government". The capitol isn't a game of Capture the Flag - you don't get power just by standing there. At most, the occupational of the capitol was equivalent to a sort of political panty raid. Silly, yes. Meaningful, no. You have bought into a hysterical narrative, at least as fantastic as whatever insane narrative the QAnon people have bought into.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  > You have bought into a hysterical narrative, at least as fantastic as whatever insane narrative the QAnon people have bought into. I'm just stating facts. The claims Trump has made about election fraud, hundreds of times over the course of two months, are lies. He used the people who believed those lies to attack the Capitol as they deliberated on the transfer of power. Please elaborate on what's hysterical about my assessment of these facts.
  - tetrometal 6y ago
    You literally responded to zero words in the parent's comment.
- dagaci 6y ago
  "The capitol isn't a game of Capture the Flag - you don't get power just by standing there. At most, the occupational of the capitol was equivalent to a sort of political panty raid. Silly, yes. Meaningful, no." Shushh dude ( •_•)>⌐■-■ 101 we are not encouraging them to think better
vimy 6y ago
> A grave crime was committed this week Like in 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests And 2018. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-buil...
- mullingitover 6y ago
  Just trying to be clear, are you saying these events were justified, or that the attack on the US Capitol was justified?
  - tetrometal 6y ago
    They are obviously pointing out the hypocrisy and bias with which the left spins narratives. Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot?
    - mullingitover 6y ago
      > Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot? I'm gonna say that the mob attack on the United States' entire line of succession over false claims of fraud is worse than overwhelmingly peaceful protests over the murder of an unarmed, compliant man in police custody.
      - tetrometal 6y ago
        I see it's graduated from "mostly peaceful" to "overwhelmingly peaceful". The craziest part of your spin is that by applying it, you're greatly increasing the odds of actually getting it.
        mullingitover 6y ago
        > Polls estimate between 15 million and 26 million people participated in the United States, making these protests potentially the largest movement in terms of participation in U.S. history.[1] If 15+ million people were rioting, we wouldn't have a single structure left standing in the country. A fraction of a percent of the protesters were bad actors, and nobody is defending them so I will leave you to abuse that strawman in peace. 100% of the people who invaded the US Capitol were rioters. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_...
SergeAx 6y ago
If this is a crime then there should be an investigation in progress and some court orders made to prevent more criminal activity. Not an abrupt decision by... We don't even know who exactly made that decision.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  If we want to nationalize all the major web services so they are forced to operate as government agencies with all the constitutional protections that go along with that, it's certainly an idea. I wouldn't have imagined in 2021 we'd have conservatives advocating for seizing the means of production of the nation's Tweets. So far we know these companies made the decision to ban the President: - Twitter - Google - Youtube - Reddit - Tiktok (ironic that he'd be banned by Tiktok before he banned it himself) - Instagram - Snapchat - Spotify - Shopify - Twitch - Pinterest I would love to know if YCombinator has formally banned him from the Hacker News community.

mc32 6y ago

Ransacking through the capitol like imbeciles was very ill advised, but that’s not how a coup is executed. You need dedicated backers [cause oriented willing to sacrifice] high up in the armed forces as well as the intelligentsia. Rag tag groups do not execute coups. That’s a willful exaggeration and further evidence of how narratives tilt people’s thinking. This is the media and social media calling it that -they cannot help it. Are the armed forces classifying as a coup? It’s a ridiculous accusation. More of a coup attempt is the call for impeachment with two weeks left after the previous impeachment failed. It’s honestly sad.

mullingitover 6y ago
Honestly I feel bad for the people who were duped into doing the ransacking. They thought their leader was telling them the truth. The fact remains that the President gathered tens of thousands of people and, with a torrent of lies, weaponized them into an attack on the United States. Just because it failed doesn't make it any less grave of a crime.
- tetrometal 6y ago
  > The fact remains that the President gathered tens of thousands of people and, with a torrent of lies, weaponized them into an attack on the United States. Just because it failed doesn't make it any less grave of a crime. I cannot fathom why you keep saying this. Please present some evidence.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    If you believe Trumps claims of malfeasance are true then the burden of proof lies with you. These matters were addressed in courts throughout the nation and 60 lawsuits failed to prove them.
    - tetrometal 6y ago
      Not really. The vast majority were thrown out on procedural grounds. The left completely controls the MSM at this point. It's unsurprising that large swathes of officials, including judges, are unwilling to investigate their narrative for fear of being branded and extremist of one flavor or another. The right knows this, and so doesn't trust outcomes that aren't transparent. The left knows this too, but has no incentive to correct it, in spite of the damage it's going to cause to our democracy. I have the feeling we're about to find out in the US precisely how the left can go too far, and how Americans respond to it.
      - mullingitover 6y ago
        > The vast majority were thrown out on procedural grounds. You'll be reassured to know they'll still be litigated soon. Dominion is coming for Sidney Powell over her fabricated claims, and I hope she gets a dignified, humane arrangement with a local homeless shelter after they're done with her.[1] I encourage everyone to read the entire filing. It's going to be a fun ride, I'm really looking forward to this case being heard in court. [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-sues-sidney-powell-libel-billion-damages-2021-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-sues-sidney-powell-...
- 6y ago
jimkleiber 6y ago
I think sometimes we judge events based on the outcomes not on the intent. If one of those people who got inside the building gained access to one of the members of Congress or Vice President Pence and took them hostage or harmed them, would you think that it were closer to a coup attempt? There were reports of how the National Guard seemed to be getting delayed because of not having the approval of, I believe, the President through the Department of Defense, to enter. As a person sitting here in my home, some of it looked rag tag and yet 1) I don't know what happened behind the scenes and 2) rag tag groups can cause a tremendous amount of chaos, e.g., if bombs had gone off outside the RNC or DNC.
- roenxi 6y ago
  For starters, a right-wing coup that kicked off by taking outgoing-VP Pence hostage would be beyond ridiculous. Instead of own goals we'd all be using "Pence-d" as an idiom. If they'd taken Congresspeople hostage that would have been terrorism not a coup. The mob was totally unprepared, unimaginative, achieved no strategic outcomes and half of them are going to be in jail from now to forever. This is a coup in the same way that the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone was a succession. It is clueless protestors playing around.
  - jimkleiber 6y ago
    Well, if they may have believed that if he didn't certify the election, then Trump would not have been the outgoing President. Maybe you're right in that the word "coup" is not the most precise one to use, I think what I meant more than anything is that sometimes we see something as less serious violence because the action didn't result in as severe of an outcome as was intended. So maybe not coup, but terrorist attack or insurrection or whatever word portrays the gravitas but aligns better with the meaning of the action. On a second note, I think we do this a lot in law as well—if I get into a tussle with someone and push them softly and they trip and hit their head and die, I will probably go to prison for much longer than if I repeatedly and angrily punch someone in the face and they don't die. I guess I'm just curious about how that works in our psyche.
  - jcranmer 6y ago
lumost 6y ago
Ultimately the capital police were distracted by multiple pipe bombs at the RNC/DNC headquarters, The FBI seized a van full of guns. The woman who was shot served 6 years in the DC air national guard, and directly trained on riot control in the DC metro area. This was an organized attempt to assault a joint-session of the newly elected congress discharging their duty to certify the election results for the Executive branch of government. Had the rioters reached the house or senate floor the US could have found itself without a legislative branch to legitimize the next president.
- tetrometal 6y ago
  They did reach the floor. Some topless dude with horns and a fur cape pranced about the dais. And guess what? We're fine. You're pulling together a handful of facts from a massive event composed of trillions of facts and weaving them into a conspiracy. It was what it appeared to be. A rally that got out of hand.
  - design-material 6y ago
    So this is just a rally that got out of hand, harmless. I wonder - would you stand up for them if the crowd was a BLM crowd, and the outcomes the same? Would you stand up for them if it were a Muslim crowd, and the outcomes the same? If you would then that's admirable and consistent, so fair enough
    - tetrometal 6y ago
      I don't understand why you think I'm standing up for any of them.
      - mullingitover 6y ago
        With all due respect, your comments today have been a textbook example of concern trolling.
michaelmrose 6y ago
A few of my favorite things that were brought to the capital. Zip ties, several guns, 11 molotov cocktails, 2 pipe bombs. Guliani also asked Tuberville to object to every state which if acted on would have required at least 11 days of 12 hour sessions with an armed angry mob outside. When they finally attacked it took hours to authorize the national guard to defend the capital giving the mob maximum time to terrorize congress. It we examine the possible failure modes in this situation we can imagine. - The mob could have slaughtered burned or blew up our congress or enough to frighten the rest into compliance. - The mob could have destroyed the physical copy of the ballots delaying the matter giving the mob more time to intimidate legislators further. - The legislature might have lost heart over 11 days of being terrorized by the mob outside and come to some compromise like allowing congress to vote on the matter one delegation one vote allowing the republicans to pick the next president. This would have only required all of the republican party and 6 democrats in the house to join to enact. They would simply have had to vote with the republicans to reject 36 states worth of EC votes in order to throw the election to the house. It is foolish to suppose this couldn't possibly have succeeded just because they are very very incompetent. They could never have enacted a traditional coup because the military was never on their side. This could actually have worked if our congress had lost heart. This was absolutely an attempted coup and we would be stupid to treat it as less.
- potato 6y ago
  Turns out all you need for a coup is about 70 lightly armed boomers and a few zip ties.
  - mc32 6y ago
    An ISIS technical has more firepower than this. Oooooh 11 molotovs.... more than that were used in a number of demos this past summer... It’s a willful exaggeration and narrative driving.
    - paulryanrogers 6y ago
      Comparing the rioters' equipment to ISIS and other criminals doesn't make them any less troublesome, or their cause more sympathetic.
sdenton4 6y ago
If it fails it was just a joke, but if it succeeds it was serious... We were a few fuckups away from a pile of dead congressional representatives. Don't kid yourself.
franklampard 6y ago
> high up in the armed Command-in-Chief not high enough?
- mc32 6y ago
  Do you mean all he needed to do was set up a con-call with the generals? Holy idiocy, did he fuck it up!

tetrometal 6y ago

Let's be very clear: Trump did not "incite" an "insurrection". The dude was trying to hold a rally. Shit got out of hand much like in the George Floyd riots, but to a much lesser degree. In spite of the relative magnitudes of the death and destruction in those events, the insane leftist media has somehow decided to paint the George Floyd riots as understandable at worst and freaking obligatory at best. At the same time that they paint the capitol building riot as an historic tragedy. It's absolutely batshit. It completely beggars belief that anyone can't or won't see it, yet here we are. And THIS is the primary reason we're seeing division in the nation today. It's not the handful of radical racists. It's not Trump's stupid tweets. It's the completely irrational and insane reaction by the left to anything that is not within their narrow and ever-shrinking Overton window. So go ahead, make excuses. Tell me you're the good guys and we're the bad guys. It doesn't matter anymore. As long as you continue blinding yourselves, this division will grow and eventually break this nation, probably sooner than later. Frankly, I don't care anymore, and neither does half of America.

mullingitover 6y ago
Let's not split hairs. When: You have the world's largest megaphone. You bring tens of thousands of hardline supporters to the Capitol on the day that officially seals the transfer of power. You and your henchmen spend hours forcefully lying and claiming that the entirety of the national election apparatus is in a conspiracy to steal the election. You tell them to march on the capitol to 'fight.' You are inciting a riot. When, as the capitol is being ransacked, you double down on the lie and continue to say the election was stolen, and to say you love them, you are continuing the riot and you are trying incite nationwide unrest. This isn't complicated or "a matter of opinion."
- matz1 6y ago
  >You have the world's largest megaphone. You bring tens of thousands of hardline supporters to the Capitol on the day that officially seals the transfer of power. You and your henchmen spend hours forcefully lying and claiming that the entirety of the national election apparatus is in a conspiracy to steal the election. You tell them to march on the capitol to 'fight.' Here is where opinion differ. You may consider this inciting riot, but not everyone will agree to it, many other people don't consider this inciting riot.

centimeter 6y ago

Occupying a government building for a few hours to disrupt a ceremonial activity isn't an attempt to "overthrow the US government". The capitol isn't a game of Capture the Flag - you don't get power just by standing there. At most, the occupational of the capitol was equivalent to a sort of political panty raid. Silly, yes. Meaningful, no. You have bought into a hysterical narrative, at least as fantastic as whatever insane narrative the QAnon people have bought into.

mullingitover 6y ago
> You have bought into a hysterical narrative, at least as fantastic as whatever insane narrative the QAnon people have bought into. I'm just stating facts. The claims Trump has made about election fraud, hundreds of times over the course of two months, are lies. He used the people who believed those lies to attack the Capitol as they deliberated on the transfer of power. Please elaborate on what's hysterical about my assessment of these facts.
- tetrometal 6y ago
  You literally responded to zero words in the parent's comment.
dagaci 6y ago
"The capitol isn't a game of Capture the Flag - you don't get power just by standing there. At most, the occupational of the capitol was equivalent to a sort of political panty raid. Silly, yes. Meaningful, no." Shushh dude ( •_•)>⌐■-■ 101 we are not encouraging them to think better

vimy 6y ago

> A grave crime was committed this week Like in 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Wisconsin_protests And 2018. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-build-capitol-hill-ahead-brett-kavanaugh-vote-n917351 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/protests-buil...

mullingitover 6y ago
Just trying to be clear, are you saying these events were justified, or that the attack on the US Capitol was justified?
- tetrometal 6y ago
  They are obviously pointing out the hypocrisy and bias with which the left spins narratives. Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot?
  - mullingitover 6y ago
    > Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot? I'm gonna say that the mob attack on the United States' entire line of succession over false claims of fraud is worse than overwhelmingly peaceful protests over the murder of an unarmed, compliant man in police custody.
    - tetrometal 6y ago
      I see it's graduated from "mostly peaceful" to "overwhelmingly peaceful". The craziest part of your spin is that by applying it, you're greatly increasing the odds of actually getting it.
      - mullingitover 6y ago
        > Polls estimate between 15 million and 26 million people participated in the United States, making these protests potentially the largest movement in terms of participation in U.S. history.[1] If 15+ million people were rioting, we wouldn't have a single structure left standing in the country. A fraction of a percent of the protesters were bad actors, and nobody is defending them so I will leave you to abuse that strawman in peace. 100% of the people who invaded the US Capitol were rioters. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_...

SergeAx 6y ago

If this is a crime then there should be an investigation in progress and some court orders made to prevent more criminal activity. Not an abrupt decision by... We don't even know who exactly made that decision.

mullingitover 6y ago
If we want to nationalize all the major web services so they are forced to operate as government agencies with all the constitutional protections that go along with that, it's certainly an idea. I wouldn't have imagined in 2021 we'd have conservatives advocating for seizing the means of production of the nation's Tweets. So far we know these companies made the decision to ban the President: - Twitter - Google - Youtube - Reddit - Tiktok (ironic that he'd be banned by Tiktok before he banned it himself) - Instagram - Snapchat - Spotify - Shopify - Twitch - Pinterest I would love to know if YCombinator has formally banned him from the Hacker News community.