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World's busiest international and domestic air routes
- blakesterz 6y agoPretty interesting lists. 9 of 10 busiest domestic routes are in Asia. The other is Middle East. USA's top 3 are ATL to different places in Florida. ATL has 4 of the top 10, Seattle has 3, Dallas 2.
- bluntfang 6y agoATL is a delta hub, my guess is lots of snowbirds or other people traveling to/from florida for vacations.
- bobthepanda 6y agoThe routes seem to be in countries that are not locking down as strictly. Also the Asian routes tend to be routes that are not competitive by HSR for various reasons (Vietnam and Indonesia don't have any, Saudi Arabia's route is not connected via HSR); Bali and Jeju are separated from the other end of their trips by at least one large body of water with no land connection; Beijing, Shanghai, and the PRD are all way too far from each other on HSR to be competitive, as is Tokyo-Sapporo. That leaves Tokyo-Osaka, which is on the list primarily because even with HSR winning the mode share in that market the two metro areas are very large. (34m and 12m respectively, 21m if you count all of Kobe-Osaka-Kyoto)
- asiando 6y agoMost of those routes, with the exception of Jakarta-Bali, are in countries that have managed the virus well enough to avoid recurring/permanent lockdowns like in the US and Europe. When Asian countries had to lock down, they were super strict. See Da Nang (Vietnam) in August.
- wombatmobile 6y agoSo, there is an inverse relationship between freedom to travel in the long term and strictness of public health response in the short term.
- bobthepanda 6y agoThe strict health response also needs to be fast enough to actually have an effect. NYC had very strict measures in its first lockdown but because of the timing it was closing the barn doors after the horse left. If you get bad, it doesn't seem possible to revert to much lower without an extremely long, extremely strict lockdown (Wuhan was 76 days, for which you couldn't even really leave your home and party cadres were running food for people.)
- ekabod 6y ago(Paris Orly => Pointe-a-Pitre) is listed as an international route surprisingly.
- overscore 6y agoI wonder if that's because Guadeloupe isn't part of the Schengen Zone and so has passport control for arrivals from elsewhere in France.
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- thatfrenchguy 6y agoNone of the overseas territories are part of Schengen. They rerouted there because another airline (French Bee / Air Caraïbes) doing CDG -> PPT has a base there. They’re doing it trough Vancouver now that they know the Canadian government won’t cancel their flights at the last minute ;-)
- fakedang 6y agoIsn't French Guiana France proper? I always see it marked alongside the Schengen zones.
- Symbiote 6y agoYes, French Guiana is as much part of France as Hawaii is part of the USA. They use the Euro, and any EU citizen can move there for work, study or just to live (if they have the money to support themselves). However, it's not part of Schengen. The usual benefit -- no queues at the borders -- is pretty limited, when it doesn't border any other EU state, and anyone from the EU must arrive by air or sea anyway. Since it is part of the EU, crossing the border is less-strict for an EU citizen: an identity card is acceptable, and there's less ability for people to be detained by border guards.
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- ransom1538 6y agoFlorida.
- leoedin 6y agoHow does this compare with this time last year?
- Marazan 6y agoThat's the question I want answered very much. CJU-GMP would still be top but it would be interesting to see a non Covid affected world.
- bearjaws 6y agoStrange to me that ATL to Orlando is busy, wonder if out of state tourism has recovered slightly?
- powvans 6y agoDisney World is open and there are no COVID-19 restrictions in Florida as far as I know.
- ru552 6y agoDisney World is still highly restricted. Masks are required at all times. Park capacity is handicapped. Hotel services are limited. Ride capacity is restricted. Etc.
- wincy 6y agoThat said, when I went with my daughter almost every person I spoke to said they were travelling from California, were season ticket holders and were coming to Disney World because Disneyland is closed down. Unintended consequence for sure. We already had COVID in March so felt the risks were acceptable for us, and as you've said Disney was extremely serious about mask requirements, and so many of the things little kids would be interested in were closed down. They really don't want a super spreader event at "The Happiest Place on Earth". And to preempt people who think I'm acting irresponsibly, you're right. It was a spur of the moment trip and sort of a mental health crisis, I felt trapped and crazy in my home in the middle of winter, if I could go back in time I don't think I'd go. The airplane was completely full and I'm guessing drink sales are way up on planes because that's the only reason you're allowed to take off your mask. Also prices were insanely cheap for flights, $250 for round trip tickets for me and my five year old daughter.
- dubcanada 6y agoFairly off-topic and mostly curious, did it help?
- ekabod 6y ago(Moscow - Simferopol), 4000 passengers/day. Why is there so many people taking this route in the middle of winter?
- eterm 6y agoI think you've answered your question; to escape the Moscow winter to somewhere it's above freezing?
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- usrnm 6y agoBecause Crimea is relatively warm, it's an interesting place worth visiting and, last but not least, there aren't that many options for Russians to go spend winter holidays in. The next work day is Monday
- wincy 6y agoAhh, a balmy 47ºF in Simferopol. I guess it's all relative.
- ricardobayes 6y agoYeah, lot's of places in Russia are -27F or -33C during the day. Brrrr.
- willyg123 6y agoWhen I lived in NYC I remember the first day it reached 50 degrees, sometime in late March or April, you would see people walking around in tee shirts. Now that I live in Miami, 50 degrees is cause to break out the warmest clothes you own. Definitely all relative.
- DamnYuppie 6y agoI can second this. I grew up in the Arizona desert. If it was below 55 degrees people would be wearing jackets. I then lived in NYC for a few years, I too recall the first day it broke 40 degrees. I went out in shorts and a t-shirt, it felt great!
- jansan 6y agoVery interesting, but i think it would be 1000 times better with an additional map.
- liminal 6y agoThis really needs time period comparisons. Year over year, month over month...
- howlgarnish 6y agoFor comparison, here's the data for 2018: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_passenger_air_routes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_passenger_air_...
- arnon 6y agoI wish we could layer the other years on top of this to see the differences
- snake_plissken 6y agoThis is really cool. From where are they sourcing this data? And on the Jan 2021 top US domestic routes, what's up with those Atlanta to Ft Lauderdale/Miami/Tampa/Orlando routes? We're only partly through the month so that maybe that's why they are listed but still, I was surprised.
- iknowstuff 6y agoFlorida’s not under lockdown.
- PMan74 6y agoOAG aggregate timetable data from airlines and distribute that aggregated feed. You'll note their data is "seats" not "passengers" i.e. if an A380 flies from London to Dubai they count that as 525 seats as opposed to however many people took the flight.
- FabHK 6y agoGood point. Might, then, also reflect pressure from governments to keep flying, no matter the pax load factor.
- wasdfff 6y agoIt’s people going there to get drunk on sand and avoid the cold
- ransom1538 6y agoTax law. NY citizens are avoiding taxes and often transfer through ATL. They can live in FL for more than ~180 days and they don't pay state income tax. We call them "snow birds". "you maintain a permanent place of abode in New York State for substantially all of the taxable year and spend 184 days or more in New York State during the taxable year, whether or not you are domiciled in New York State for any portion of the taxable year. Note: Any part of a day is a day for this purpose." https://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/file/pit_definitions.htm https://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/file/pit_definitions.htm
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- bagacrap 6y agonit: Orlando to San Juan (Puerto Rico) is not international.
- boringg 6y ago1. This is pretty fascinating 2. Can we just add one more mapping layer on top of this for easier info digestion? Seems like a pretty light lift for a big processing human advantage.
- break_the_bank 6y agoNot surprised by the London - Dubai route being so popular. Ever since the month long lockdown got announced, a lot of tourists from the UK have been pouring into Dubai.
- Scoundreller 6y agoBut it's just a map of routes, not origin:destination pairs. Who knows how many were connecting in Dubai to somewhere else, or connecting in London to somewhere else.
- AnimalMuppet 6y agoWhy are Denver-Phoenix and Seattle-Phoenix so busy?
- kyleblarson 6y agoProbably snowbirds escaping down to AZ for golf weather and government that's not trying to destroy small business and restaurants.
- teachrdan 6y agoPeople from relatively wealthy areas flying to Phoenix for the warm weather?
- rsync 6y agoIn my experience those are first legs on (cheaper) stopover flights. If you fly between Denver and (anywhere on the coast) there is always some cheap option that stops over in Phoenix. Perhaps it is the same with Seattle going east ...
- nickhalfasleep 6y agoSki traffic to Denver.
- gffrd 6y agoThe route involving Seattle is actually Phoenix TO Seattle, which is somewhat surprising, and means 3/10 of the list puts people in/through Seattle. That's a surprisingly large percentage / number. Intuitively, It feels like too many people to either be: - On their way somewhere else (home to BC, hopping the Pacific, from AK to lower 48) - Coming for snow (either ending in WA, or legging to BC,ID,WY,MT) - Coming home from holiday - Subjecting themselves to January in Seattle [1] … but maybe in aggregate the above add up to our 8–10 position. Now that I've written the above out, and others have pointed out, I'm recognizing a pattern with Atlanta: we don't see bigger cities as starting points, just their aggregation point (Atlanta). Maybe reasonable to assume the same for Seattle. -- [1] Not a dig, I live here.
- phantom784 6y agoPhoenix is an American Airlines hub.
- iancmceachern 6y agoI'm curious how these compare to "ordinary" times. Like I would be interested in the delta.
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- r3pl4y 6y agoThey listed Shanghai - Taipei as "international route", let's hope that site stays up.
- monksy 6y agoIt claims that one of the top international routes is MCO-SJU. That's a domestic connection. That's Orlando to Peurto Rico. That's a US territory and you don't need a passport to go.
- midasuni 6y agoYou don’t need a passport to travel from Berlin to Paris either, doesn’t make it a domestic flight.
- xvedejas 6y agoOrlando and Puerto Rico are both part of the same country.
- throwaway314158 6y agoBerlin is in Germany, and Paris is in France. That makes it an international flight. Orlando is in the US, and San Juan is in the US. That makes it a domestic flight.
- monksy 6y agoCuraco, Sint Martin and the Netherlands make it domestic as well. Also, Paris/French Polynesisan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_longest_domestic_flight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_longest_domestic_fli...
- Mountain_Skies 6y agoA bit off topic but the presentation of the data appears to be using a frontend to PowerBI I haven't seen before. Looks like Microsoft wants the reach of the tool to extend beyond corporate intranets.
- taspeotis 6y agohttps://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/services/power-bi-embedded/ https://azure.microsoft.com/en-au/services/power-bi-embedded...