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I’m wondering if solarwinds will survive all of this. Must be crazy working there right now.

natas 6y ago
175 jobs open now, let's check in a few months? https://www.solarwinds.jobs/jobs?page=1 https://www.solarwinds.jobs/jobs?page=1
- nradov 6y ago
  Most large companies have some zombie job postings for positions which are no longer budgeted but haven't been removed from the web site yet.
  - dheera 6y ago
    ... and even startups who don't yet have the budget but are trying to raise money and create an fake aura of momentum with investors.
    - vaxman 6y ago
      ..and companies looking to bolster their "need" for H1Bs'ers
    - Scoundreller 6y ago
      Even big orgs in decline have done this.
- baxtr 6y ago
  Is “Chief Security Officer” one of them?
  - tedd4u 6y ago
    Pretty sure CEO is one of them
- JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
  >We're Geekbuilt™. >Developed by network and systems engineers who know what it takes to manage today's dynamic IT environments, SolarWinds has a deep connection to the IT community. >The result? IT management products that are effective, accessible, and easy to use. Well yes, very accessible!
  - peter_d_sherman 6y ago
    Hilarious! <g> My personal favorite is the "What makes us different?" part of the page...<g> It lists the many benefits that can be (apparently!) had by using their software! While it lists a lot of desirable features, it seems to skip over, gloss over, skim over -- the "Oh, and you'll also get a colossal, massive, catastrophic, fubar, snafu'd, cluster f&cked data breach of epidemic (Biblical!) proportions! <g>" You know, FREE of charge! <g> Sort of like at McDonalds when the guy asks "do you want fries with that?", except that these fries are free, they're invisible, harmful, and they're not really fries -- but they are free of charge! <g> I guess the salesman didn't tell you about that! <g> I guess he forgot to mention that! <g> I guess it was buried on page 1232 of the massive, congress-couldn't-pass-legislation-this-long contract you signed, but apparently didn't read... you know, in the fine print... Such a deal! (I mean, sounds more like a Faustian bargain to me, but what do I know? <g>) All I know is, productwise, a Rolls-Royce might be a car with every known luxury feature -- but if it fails you when you need it the most -- then perhaps a better choice would have been a car with (a few!) less luxury features... You know, like an old, aging, butt-ugly, but dependable Ford Escort... You know, basic reliable transportation from point A to point B -- without all of the bells and whistles... "No, I don't need the gold plated drink holder with my ride, thank you very much!" <g> (Yes, I know, I'm trying to prove a point by analogy, but as Bjarne Stroustrup, the legendary inventor of C++ so eloquently stated: "Proof by analogy -- is fraud!" <g>. That might be true and all, but nonetheless, you get the idea I'm trying to convey! <g>)
    - agravier 6y ago
      <g> ?
      - 6y ago
qwantim1 6y ago
I used their software, and it’s not the best I’ve used. I often skip login and reload and it logs me in as a system user. It probably shouldn’t do that.
- hanniabu 6y ago
  Honestly wouldn't expect much from government systems that are built by whichever contractor has the best connections and lowest price rather than best code.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    Its clients included 425 of the Fortune 500 and the top 10 US telecom companies. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/15/22176053/solarwinds-hack-client-list-russia-orion-it-compromised https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/15/22176053/solarwinds-hack...
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      That is a negative, not a positive. The amount of breaches, fraud, etc. that has happened in that category is insane. Would you say the same if it were Equifax?
      - lern_too_spel 6y ago
        The point is that the problem is not with how the government chooses vendors. Equifax has nothing to do with it.
- ackbar03 6y ago
  um, what?
- boringg 6y ago
  I have to assume you are joking.
- quotemstr 6y ago
anothernewdude 6y ago
I'm still trying to decide if its like the Equifax one and its back to business as usual in months or if they lose credibility entirely. Depends how locked in their customers are.
- easterncalculus 6y ago
  Since Equifax is one of three credit reporting agencies it's basically invincible. Solarwinds doesn't really have that kind of protection from the US government. Especially not since this has been directly affecting them.
  - elliekelly 6y ago
    I don’t disagree but what is the government’s alternative here? I just don’t see them being able to quickly pull off such a massive change in vendors if Solarwinds goes under. They’re like the government contract equivalent of “too big to fail”.
- boringg 6y ago
  Good point. The fact that Equifax is back to business is so disappointing - one would have hoped that the industry would get an overhaul. I agree with another commentator that the market structure is fundamentally different though so it seems, on the surface, that this could sink the ship.
dannyw 6y ago
Systems can be made more secure, and organisational culture can change. Don’t fire an engineer because they took unintentionally production down. Learn from it and fix it.

175 jobs open now, let's check in a few months? https://www.solarwinds.jobs/jobs?page=1 https://www.solarwinds.jobs/jobs?page=1

nradov 6y ago
Most large companies have some zombie job postings for positions which are no longer budgeted but haven't been removed from the web site yet.
- dheera 6y ago
  ... and even startups who don't yet have the budget but are trying to raise money and create an fake aura of momentum with investors.
  - vaxman 6y ago
    ..and companies looking to bolster their "need" for H1Bs'ers
  - Scoundreller 6y ago
    Even big orgs in decline have done this.
baxtr 6y ago
Is “Chief Security Officer” one of them?
- tedd4u 6y ago
  Pretty sure CEO is one of them
JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
>We're Geekbuilt™. >Developed by network and systems engineers who know what it takes to manage today's dynamic IT environments, SolarWinds has a deep connection to the IT community. >The result? IT management products that are effective, accessible, and easy to use. Well yes, very accessible!
- peter_d_sherman 6y ago
  Hilarious! <g> My personal favorite is the "What makes us different?" part of the page...<g> It lists the many benefits that can be (apparently!) had by using their software! While it lists a lot of desirable features, it seems to skip over, gloss over, skim over -- the "Oh, and you'll also get a colossal, massive, catastrophic, fubar, snafu'd, cluster f&cked data breach of epidemic (Biblical!) proportions! <g>" You know, FREE of charge! <g> Sort of like at McDonalds when the guy asks "do you want fries with that?", except that these fries are free, they're invisible, harmful, and they're not really fries -- but they are free of charge! <g> I guess the salesman didn't tell you about that! <g> I guess he forgot to mention that! <g> I guess it was buried on page 1232 of the massive, congress-couldn't-pass-legislation-this-long contract you signed, but apparently didn't read... you know, in the fine print... Such a deal! (I mean, sounds more like a Faustian bargain to me, but what do I know? <g>) All I know is, productwise, a Rolls-Royce might be a car with every known luxury feature -- but if it fails you when you need it the most -- then perhaps a better choice would have been a car with (a few!) less luxury features... You know, like an old, aging, butt-ugly, but dependable Ford Escort... You know, basic reliable transportation from point A to point B -- without all of the bells and whistles... "No, I don't need the gold plated drink holder with my ride, thank you very much!" <g> (Yes, I know, I'm trying to prove a point by analogy, but as Bjarne Stroustrup, the legendary inventor of C++ so eloquently stated: "Proof by analogy -- is fraud!" <g>. That might be true and all, but nonetheless, you get the idea I'm trying to convey! <g>)
  - agravier 6y ago
    <g> ?
    - 6y ago

qwantim1 6y ago

I used their software, and it’s not the best I’ve used. I often skip login and reload and it logs me in as a system user. It probably shouldn’t do that.

hanniabu 6y ago
Honestly wouldn't expect much from government systems that are built by whichever contractor has the best connections and lowest price rather than best code.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  Its clients included 425 of the Fortune 500 and the top 10 US telecom companies. https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/15/22176053/solarwinds-hack-client-list-russia-orion-it-compromised https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/15/22176053/solarwinds-hack...
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    That is a negative, not a positive. The amount of breaches, fraud, etc. that has happened in that category is insane. Would you say the same if it were Equifax?
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      The point is that the problem is not with how the government chooses vendors. Equifax has nothing to do with it.
ackbar03 6y ago
um, what?
boringg 6y ago
I have to assume you are joking.
quotemstr 6y ago

anothernewdude 6y ago

I'm still trying to decide if its like the Equifax one and its back to business as usual in months or if they lose credibility entirely. Depends how locked in their customers are.

easterncalculus 6y ago
Since Equifax is one of three credit reporting agencies it's basically invincible. Solarwinds doesn't really have that kind of protection from the US government. Especially not since this has been directly affecting them.
- elliekelly 6y ago
  I don’t disagree but what is the government’s alternative here? I just don’t see them being able to quickly pull off such a massive change in vendors if Solarwinds goes under. They’re like the government contract equivalent of “too big to fail”.
boringg 6y ago
Good point. The fact that Equifax is back to business is so disappointing - one would have hoped that the industry would get an overhaul. I agree with another commentator that the market structure is fundamentally different though so it seems, on the surface, that this could sink the ship.

dannyw 6y ago

Systems can be made more secure, and organisational culture can change. Don’t fire an engineer because they took unintentionally production down. Learn from it and fix it.