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Fox (however detestable you may find it) was created as an alternative to the corporate media hegemony on thought, I fear you have it backwards.

munificent 6y ago
Fox News was created to have enough control over media to prevent a Nixon-like event ever happening to the GOP again. https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-news-2011-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-ne...
- munk-a 6y ago
  That line summarizing the article you linked isn't inaccurate but left out some big chunks of logic. Just to clarify the article outlines that Fox News was created to prevent something like what Nixon did ever having a disastrous effect on the party - rather than preventing what Nixon did.
  - munificent 6y ago
    Sorry, yes, I wrote my comment quickly and poorly. It was created to enable GOP politicians to behave like Nixon while avoiding the accountability to the truth that Nixon was forced to face.
AlexandrB 6y ago
As I understand it, Fox News was created as a "junk food" alternative to traditional media. By cutting back on investigative journalism and focusing on commentary and shows like "The O'reilly Factor" Fox could create "news" content for less than their competitors. I'm not sure if the apparent "right" lean was due to the ownership or to market realities that made that kind of content more appealing to right-of-center media consumers. This model has been pretty successful financially and the other major media outlets in the US have followed suit (though often leaning left instead). I think MSNBC was one of the first with the obnoxious melodrama of Keith Olbermann.
- bra-ket 6y ago
  Fox is gone though, drown in liberal propaganda just like other corporate media. The only alternative now is DailyWire with its uncompromising conservative stance.
  - olyjohn 6y ago
    Is this really what people want in the news? A biased political stance?
    - bra-ket 6y ago
      when all mainstream news are heavily biased in favor of one political party and spread blatant misinformation, you need an alternative as a counterbalance and source of truth. the fact people don't even notice, or choose to ignore the bias in mainstream media is beyond me.
      - hobs 6y ago
        Fox News is already amazingly biased and censured world wide - claiming you need even worse liars to help you feel better about "balance" makes no sense.
        bra-ket 6y ago
        Fox is drown in liberal propaganda just like other corporate media. The only alternative now is DailyWire with its uncompromising conservative stance.
        AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        You posted the same thing (almost word for word) five posts upthread. Just repeating yourself is not a convincing argument. It might be a decent propaganda technique, but it's a lousy argument.
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DapperZoom 6y ago
Yeah, I definitely agree with this. The corporate media is a hive mind of sorts, and look at the unhinged hysteria presented on CNN. I'm definitely not a fan of FOX, but during the Presidential debate, their panel contained two Biden supporters, two Trump supporters, and two never-Trumpers. That diversity of opinion was lacking on all of the other major networks. I think we're seeing a sort of religious phenomenon here in regards to the corporate media. They're pushing narratives everyone know are untrue, but no-one can come out and say it publicly due to the religiosity of the mob.
myko 6y ago
No, it was created to make a fantasy land bubble for insane conspiracy theorists and extremist right wingers. It did its job and normalized those things for the entire GOP. edit: downvotes with no response is really weak, especially given what we see going on in the world today which completely backs up my point.
- munk-a 6y ago
  It has certainly morphed into this - but it wasn't precisely created for this reason. It was created as a place where GOP party lines could be broadcast clearly when other news outlets were focusing on negative facets of GOP actions. This does align pretty closely with your description of a fantasy land bubble, that's pretty apt - but the conspiracy theory stuff is a more recent development. I do think it's fair to describe fox as openly embracing conspiracy theories - the first really big example for me was how they popularized "the caravan" for months.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Fox (however detestable you may find it) was created as an alternative to the corporate media hegemony on thought No, it wasn't. First, because it's part of the corporate media created by what was already a media megacorp, so at best it might participate in the corporate media hegemony on thought, not provide an alternative.
- not2b 6y ago
  Fox was created by a Republican operative (Roger Ailes) for the purpose of getting Republicans elected to office, financed by Rupert Murdoch, one of the most powerful news executives in the English-speaking world.
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munificent 6y ago

Fox News was created to have enough control over media to prevent a Nixon-like event ever happening to the GOP again. https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-news-2011-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/roger-ailes-blueprint-fox-ne...

munk-a 6y ago
That line summarizing the article you linked isn't inaccurate but left out some big chunks of logic. Just to clarify the article outlines that Fox News was created to prevent something like what Nixon did ever having a disastrous effect on the party - rather than preventing what Nixon did.
- munificent 6y ago
  Sorry, yes, I wrote my comment quickly and poorly. It was created to enable GOP politicians to behave like Nixon while avoiding the accountability to the truth that Nixon was forced to face.

AlexandrB 6y ago

As I understand it, Fox News was created as a "junk food" alternative to traditional media. By cutting back on investigative journalism and focusing on commentary and shows like "The O'reilly Factor" Fox could create "news" content for less than their competitors. I'm not sure if the apparent "right" lean was due to the ownership or to market realities that made that kind of content more appealing to right-of-center media consumers. This model has been pretty successful financially and the other major media outlets in the US have followed suit (though often leaning left instead). I think MSNBC was one of the first with the obnoxious melodrama of Keith Olbermann.

bra-ket 6y ago
Fox is gone though, drown in liberal propaganda just like other corporate media. The only alternative now is DailyWire with its uncompromising conservative stance.
- olyjohn 6y ago
  Is this really what people want in the news? A biased political stance?
  - bra-ket 6y ago
    when all mainstream news are heavily biased in favor of one political party and spread blatant misinformation, you need an alternative as a counterbalance and source of truth. the fact people don't even notice, or choose to ignore the bias in mainstream media is beyond me.
    - hobs 6y ago
      Fox News is already amazingly biased and censured world wide - claiming you need even worse liars to help you feel better about "balance" makes no sense.
      - bra-ket 6y ago
        Fox is drown in liberal propaganda just like other corporate media. The only alternative now is DailyWire with its uncompromising conservative stance.
        AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        You posted the same thing (almost word for word) five posts upthread. Just repeating yourself is not a convincing argument. It might be a decent propaganda technique, but it's a lousy argument.

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DapperZoom 6y ago

Yeah, I definitely agree with this. The corporate media is a hive mind of sorts, and look at the unhinged hysteria presented on CNN. I'm definitely not a fan of FOX, but during the Presidential debate, their panel contained two Biden supporters, two Trump supporters, and two never-Trumpers. That diversity of opinion was lacking on all of the other major networks. I think we're seeing a sort of religious phenomenon here in regards to the corporate media. They're pushing narratives everyone know are untrue, but no-one can come out and say it publicly due to the religiosity of the mob.

myko 6y ago

No, it was created to make a fantasy land bubble for insane conspiracy theorists and extremist right wingers. It did its job and normalized those things for the entire GOP. edit: downvotes with no response is really weak, especially given what we see going on in the world today which completely backs up my point.

munk-a 6y ago
It has certainly morphed into this - but it wasn't precisely created for this reason. It was created as a place where GOP party lines could be broadcast clearly when other news outlets were focusing on negative facets of GOP actions. This does align pretty closely with your description of a fantasy land bubble, that's pretty apt - but the conspiracy theory stuff is a more recent development. I do think it's fair to describe fox as openly embracing conspiracy theories - the first really big example for me was how they popularized "the caravan" for months.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Fox (however detestable you may find it) was created as an alternative to the corporate media hegemony on thought No, it wasn't. First, because it's part of the corporate media created by what was already a media megacorp, so at best it might participate in the corporate media hegemony on thought, not provide an alternative.

not2b 6y ago
Fox was created by a Republican operative (Roger Ailes) for the purpose of getting Republicans elected to office, financed by Rupert Murdoch, one of the most powerful news executives in the English-speaking world.

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