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The juxtaposition of this vs the indiscriminate violence police used in the summer against protestors on the streets is pretty jarring. The fact that a large m

by suresk 6y ago

The juxtaposition of this vs the indiscriminate violence police used in the summer against protestors on the streets is pretty jarring. The fact that a large mob of people like this - many of them armed, and some of them planting explosives - breaking into the Capitol, taking things and causing a bunch of damage, results in only a small handful of arrests is pretty crazy, too.

jakelazaroff 6y ago
Hopefully this demonstrates to the "defund the police" opponents that deescalation and unconscious bias training are not the reforms we need. It's crystal clear that the police have no trouble deescalating violent situations when they want to.
- tartoran 6y ago
  I agree that they can deescalate when they want to. However, the way I understand the defund the police idea was to defund and eventually get their needed funds back with lots of reform. The prospect of funds does change things quite a bit. Always! At this point they're overfunded so no carrot to get them to move forward.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Most "defund the police" opponents I personally know are furious that protesters were ever allowed to enter the building and are demanding to see everyone who did arrested.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    Are they reconsidering their stance on the necessary reforms?
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      It's hard to even get that far at this point. They (and I - I don't want to pretend to be a neutral party here) are still reeling from the idea that you can forcibly enter the US Capitol without being shot dead on the spot. Basically everything we thought we knew about the typical processes of policing is, apparently, wrong.
      - jakelazaroff 6y ago
        That's fair. I won't rub salt in the wound; seeing this all unfold on video is way more chilling than I'd anticipated. All I'll ask is that once you feel up to it, you have a candid discussion with someone on the other side of the issue about why they feel such drastic action is necessary.
vkou 6y ago
It's only crazy if you think the rule of law is applied consistently, fairly, and apolitically. If you've followed the history of protest in this country, you'll find it difficult to believe any of these things. From suffragist, to labour, to the civil rights movement, unarmed left-wing protests are routinely brutalized by police. Armed right-wing protests are not.
- noxer 6y ago
  Who would have thought that people with guns are less likely to be brutalized by the gov or literally anyone. Almost sounds like a pro-gun argument to me but I'm sure it wasn't mean to be one. The victims must be victims because the evils are evil right. That their own actions or inactions makes them the victim just doesn't fit the victim mentality of some. Its just one of many things that shows how they are so out of touch with reality. Did no one ever told these leftist that life isn't fair, that people dont play by the rules, that having right doesn't mean you also get it? We should strive for the perfect world but it will never exist and only a fool would walk the earth as if it where paradise already.
  - Dylan16807 6y ago
    Wow, you're awful. When someone is brutalized by another human because they don't have a gun, of course that's because people are being evil! How dare you say they made themselves a victim?
    - noxer 6y ago
      Not what I said. There is a right to bear arms in the US. Its specifically there to prevent the gov form getting to powerful and abuse its power. The people who decide on their own free will that guns should be removed form the people put themself and others in the victim position. If you get brutalized by anyone and you voluntary dont want to defend yourself that Is victim mentality. If you CANT defense yourself (for whatever reason) that's a different situation.
      - 6y ago
benmmurphy 6y ago
Are we living in parallel universes? This was 1 day of protests and it resulted in the police or another authority killing 1 protestor. That is an objectively more violent record from the authorities than the average BLM protest. I see people non-ironically saying if BLM conducted this protest the police would have shot them.
- machello13 6y ago
  "1 day of protests" A mob literally broke into the Capitol Building
newguy1234 6y ago
It was mostly peaceful protest.

by suresk 6y ago

jakelazaroff 6y ago

Hopefully this demonstrates to the "defund the police" opponents that deescalation and unconscious bias training are not the reforms we need. It's crystal clear that the police have no trouble deescalating violent situations when they want to.

tartoran 6y ago
I agree that they can deescalate when they want to. However, the way I understand the defund the police idea was to defund and eventually get their needed funds back with lots of reform. The prospect of funds does change things quite a bit. Always! At this point they're overfunded so no carrot to get them to move forward.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Most "defund the police" opponents I personally know are furious that protesters were ever allowed to enter the building and are demanding to see everyone who did arrested.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  Are they reconsidering their stance on the necessary reforms?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    It's hard to even get that far at this point. They (and I - I don't want to pretend to be a neutral party here) are still reeling from the idea that you can forcibly enter the US Capitol without being shot dead on the spot. Basically everything we thought we knew about the typical processes of policing is, apparently, wrong.
    - jakelazaroff 6y ago
      That's fair. I won't rub salt in the wound; seeing this all unfold on video is way more chilling than I'd anticipated. All I'll ask is that once you feel up to it, you have a candid discussion with someone on the other side of the issue about why they feel such drastic action is necessary.

vkou 6y ago

It's only crazy if you think the rule of law is applied consistently, fairly, and apolitically. If you've followed the history of protest in this country, you'll find it difficult to believe any of these things. From suffragist, to labour, to the civil rights movement, unarmed left-wing protests are routinely brutalized by police. Armed right-wing protests are not.

noxer 6y ago
Who would have thought that people with guns are less likely to be brutalized by the gov or literally anyone. Almost sounds like a pro-gun argument to me but I'm sure it wasn't mean to be one. The victims must be victims because the evils are evil right. That their own actions or inactions makes them the victim just doesn't fit the victim mentality of some. Its just one of many things that shows how they are so out of touch with reality. Did no one ever told these leftist that life isn't fair, that people dont play by the rules, that having right doesn't mean you also get it? We should strive for the perfect world but it will never exist and only a fool would walk the earth as if it where paradise already.
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  Wow, you're awful. When someone is brutalized by another human because they don't have a gun, of course that's because people are being evil! How dare you say they made themselves a victim?
  - noxer 6y ago
    Not what I said. There is a right to bear arms in the US. Its specifically there to prevent the gov form getting to powerful and abuse its power. The people who decide on their own free will that guns should be removed form the people put themself and others in the victim position. If you get brutalized by anyone and you voluntary dont want to defend yourself that Is victim mentality. If you CANT defense yourself (for whatever reason) that's a different situation.
    - 6y ago

benmmurphy 6y ago

Are we living in parallel universes? This was 1 day of protests and it resulted in the police or another authority killing 1 protestor. That is an objectively more violent record from the authorities than the average BLM protest. I see people non-ironically saying if BLM conducted this protest the police would have shot them.

machello13 6y ago
"1 day of protests" A mob literally broke into the Capitol Building

newguy1234 6y ago

It was mostly peaceful protest.