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Incredibly insensitive product naming. I’m guessing the software authors don’t have children and don’t have multiple friends and family who’s lives have been d

Incredibly insensitive product naming. I’m guessing the software authors don’t have children and don’t have multiple friends and family who’s lives have been destroyed by meth. Instead it’s just a bro having cool fun with words “hey keeps your computer awake! Get it? Ha! So clever!”

ketamine__ 6y ago
Maybe they have a child with ADHD whose life was saved by amphetamines?
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Your username has its uses too. Not bad for a night out although not really to my taste.
  - ketamine__ 6y ago
    Ketamine for treatment resistant depression. We've got to kick the mind expansion folks out though. They are going to ruin everything like Timothy Leary ruined LSD.
    - DeafSquid 6y ago
      Go fuck yourself if you think you should be denying anyone from using a substance you yourself benefit from. Others benefit from it in different ways too.
      - ketamine__ 6y ago
        Sorry, but I can't support recreational use when I have a legitimate medical need. It makes the activism too complicated.
      - bserge 6y ago
        I agree, but the problem is that one idiot overdoses on something and suddenly it's a big deal and it "needs to be banned". This mentality is just a$$-backwards. Use it for whatever you want, don't blame the drug if you suffer side effects.
  - bserge 6y ago
    That's the problem I guess. Some people will abuse it, then everyone will be denied access to it because of them.
fabatka 6y ago
Amphetamine and metamphetamine (meth) are two different things.
- throwaway201103 6y ago
  In the context of illegal/recreational usage, not really. Chemically they are similar, and affect the body in pretty much an identical way. Methamphetamine metabolizes to amphetamine. Methamphetamine has more potent effects for the same dose. And of course street meth is a crap-shoot.
  - kortex 6y ago
    Yes, really. That methyl group makes a big difference. It increases potency, toxicity, absorption rate and overall addictiveness, hence why amph is commonly prescribed, while meth (desoxyn) is reserved for severe narcolepsy.
lhoff 6y ago
You didn't read the post, did you? Please go and read the post. Especially the following section: https://github.com/x74353/SaveAmphetamine#what-arguments-can-be-made-for-keeping-amphetamine-in-the-mac-app-store https://github.com/x74353/SaveAmphetamine#what-arguments-can... The App is named Amphetamine and not Meth which imho is a big difference.
- trestenhortz 6y ago
  You pointing out semantics makes zero difference to how I feel about meth/amphetamines and how regardless of semantics these are insensitive product names. When I hear “Amphetamine” I instantly think if they people I know who’s lives have been destroyed, but you feel I’m mistaken and you’ve got a good argument against my line of thinking. Telling me how to think.
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    So they are insensitive to you. But this does not generalize because knowing many meth addicts does not generalize either.
  - xwalltime 6y ago
    Amphetamine is what our drug companies use to make medication for those suffering with ADHD. I think you have watched too much Breaking Bad.
  - netsharc 6y ago
    To quote Stephen Fry on what I think of your argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw
  - TheRealSteel 6y ago
    How you feel has no bearing on altering the fabric of chemistry or reality. Amphetamine is not meth and no amount of crying will change that. Nor does someone naming an app "amphetamine" cause an increase in drug usage.
  - valuearb 6y ago
simongr3dal 6y ago
Take it easy, it was named after an older similar app, Caffeine. It’s a clever name because it rhymes and they’re both stimulants. That’s all.
TheRealSteel 6y ago
You're the one who brought up meth. Amphetamine isn't meth. Looks like it's you that has the meth obsession. Shouldn't you be ashamed with yourself for having used the word? What about all the people whose children's lives have been destroyed by meth? Shouldn't you delete your comment? Also can you please link me to a study that shows a causal link between names of apps, and an increase in usage in that drug the app is named after? And then one that shows an increase in usage in a different drug (because again, amphetamine is not meth)? I'd really, really like to read that study. Presumably you want to ban WINE too, because of all the people who know someone who was an alcoholic? Have you written to the WINE maintainers telling them how evil they are?
- zepto 6y ago
  Meth is amphetamine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
  - TheRealSteel 6y ago
    No, meth is an amphetamine. Meth is not amphetamine, amphetamine is a different molecule.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Amphetamine is a general term as well as a proper noun. Both are valid and widely accepted meanings. Meth is amphetamine.
      - dekhn 6y ago
        This is simply technically incorrect as many people are pointing out to you. There is a named molecule called "amphetamine" short for alpha-methylphenethylamine, it has a unique IUPAC name ((RS)-1-phenylpropan-2-amine). Methamphetamine is a derivative in the class of amphetamines (amphetamines being the family that was originally established by amphetamine). I know that's confusing. But, it has its own chemical structure, N-methylamphetamine, which is chemically distinct (yet extremely similar). If your point is 'meth is an amphetamine', that's fine but it doesn't strengthen your arguments.
IX-103 6y ago
It's a successor of the (now-defunct) caffeine app which did mostly the same thing. Given that most other coffee names were already taken, I can understand the logic of why they chose the name. As you said though, it is now considered by many to be insensitive. So Apple it's probably in the right here. I'm sure they would welcome suggestions on how to rebrand.
adhder 6y ago
You are just displaying your ignorance here. Amphetamines are used in medications prescribed for narcolepsy (i.e. unwanted/inappropriate sleepiness), ADHD and obesity. If you look at this and think of street meth, that's your own problem.
- nsajko 6y ago
  Regarding your comments in this thread (the worst of them are currently "dead") and in case you decide to keep posting on HN, you should take a look at the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The guidelines seem very reasonable and beneficial for the discussions, here are some excerpts: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." BTW, I don't claim to follow the guidelines perfectly all the time, the reason I'm writing this comment is basically because I would have preferred if you managed to get your point across better.

ketamine__ 6y ago

Maybe they have a child with ADHD whose life was saved by amphetamines?

mhh__ 6y ago
Your username has its uses too. Not bad for a night out although not really to my taste.
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  Ketamine for treatment resistant depression. We've got to kick the mind expansion folks out though. They are going to ruin everything like Timothy Leary ruined LSD.
  - DeafSquid 6y ago
    Go fuck yourself if you think you should be denying anyone from using a substance you yourself benefit from. Others benefit from it in different ways too.
    - ketamine__ 6y ago
      Sorry, but I can't support recreational use when I have a legitimate medical need. It makes the activism too complicated.
    - bserge 6y ago
      I agree, but the problem is that one idiot overdoses on something and suddenly it's a big deal and it "needs to be banned". This mentality is just a$$-backwards. Use it for whatever you want, don't blame the drug if you suffer side effects.
- bserge 6y ago
  That's the problem I guess. Some people will abuse it, then everyone will be denied access to it because of them.

fabatka 6y ago

Amphetamine and metamphetamine (meth) are two different things.

throwaway201103 6y ago
In the context of illegal/recreational usage, not really. Chemically they are similar, and affect the body in pretty much an identical way. Methamphetamine metabolizes to amphetamine. Methamphetamine has more potent effects for the same dose. And of course street meth is a crap-shoot.
- kortex 6y ago
  Yes, really. That methyl group makes a big difference. It increases potency, toxicity, absorption rate and overall addictiveness, hence why amph is commonly prescribed, while meth (desoxyn) is reserved for severe narcolepsy.

lhoff 6y ago

You didn't read the post, did you? Please go and read the post. Especially the following section: https://github.com/x74353/SaveAmphetamine#what-arguments-can-be-made-for-keeping-amphetamine-in-the-mac-app-store https://github.com/x74353/SaveAmphetamine#what-arguments-can... The App is named Amphetamine and not Meth which imho is a big difference.

trestenhortz 6y ago
You pointing out semantics makes zero difference to how I feel about meth/amphetamines and how regardless of semantics these are insensitive product names. When I hear “Amphetamine” I instantly think if they people I know who’s lives have been destroyed, but you feel I’m mistaken and you’ve got a good argument against my line of thinking. Telling me how to think.
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  So they are insensitive to you. But this does not generalize because knowing many meth addicts does not generalize either.
- xwalltime 6y ago
  Amphetamine is what our drug companies use to make medication for those suffering with ADHD. I think you have watched too much Breaking Bad.
- netsharc 6y ago
  To quote Stephen Fry on what I think of your argument: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzdpxKqEUAw
- TheRealSteel 6y ago
  How you feel has no bearing on altering the fabric of chemistry or reality. Amphetamine is not meth and no amount of crying will change that. Nor does someone naming an app "amphetamine" cause an increase in drug usage.
- valuearb 6y ago

simongr3dal 6y ago

Take it easy, it was named after an older similar app, Caffeine. It’s a clever name because it rhymes and they’re both stimulants. That’s all.

TheRealSteel 6y ago

You're the one who brought up meth. Amphetamine isn't meth. Looks like it's you that has the meth obsession. Shouldn't you be ashamed with yourself for having used the word? What about all the people whose children's lives have been destroyed by meth? Shouldn't you delete your comment? Also can you please link me to a study that shows a causal link between names of apps, and an increase in usage in that drug the app is named after? And then one that shows an increase in usage in a different drug (because again, amphetamine is not meth)? I'd really, really like to read that study. Presumably you want to ban WINE too, because of all the people who know someone who was an alcoholic? Have you written to the WINE maintainers telling them how evil they are?

zepto 6y ago
Meth is amphetamine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
- TheRealSteel 6y ago
  No, meth is an amphetamine. Meth is not amphetamine, amphetamine is a different molecule.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Amphetamine is a general term as well as a proper noun. Both are valid and widely accepted meanings. Meth is amphetamine.
    - dekhn 6y ago
      This is simply technically incorrect as many people are pointing out to you. There is a named molecule called "amphetamine" short for alpha-methylphenethylamine, it has a unique IUPAC name ((RS)-1-phenylpropan-2-amine). Methamphetamine is a derivative in the class of amphetamines (amphetamines being the family that was originally established by amphetamine). I know that's confusing. But, it has its own chemical structure, N-methylamphetamine, which is chemically distinct (yet extremely similar). If your point is 'meth is an amphetamine', that's fine but it doesn't strengthen your arguments.

IX-103 6y ago

It's a successor of the (now-defunct) caffeine app which did mostly the same thing. Given that most other coffee names were already taken, I can understand the logic of why they chose the name. As you said though, it is now considered by many to be insensitive. So Apple it's probably in the right here. I'm sure they would welcome suggestions on how to rebrand.

adhder 6y ago

You are just displaying your ignorance here. Amphetamines are used in medications prescribed for narcolepsy (i.e. unwanted/inappropriate sleepiness), ADHD and obesity. If you look at this and think of street meth, that's your own problem.

nsajko 6y ago
Regarding your comments in this thread (the worst of them are currently "dead") and in case you decide to keep posting on HN, you should take a look at the guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html The guidelines seem very reasonable and beneficial for the discussions, here are some excerpts: > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. > Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. > When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." BTW, I don't claim to follow the guidelines perfectly all the time, the reason I'm writing this comment is basically because I would have preferred if you managed to get your point across better.