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I can't upvote this more. Leadership comes from confidence, confidence comes from expertise, expertise comes from learning and practice. Confidence without expe

I can't upvote this more. Leadership comes from confidence, confidence comes from expertise, expertise comes from learning and practice. Confidence without expertise is hollow; leadership with hollow confidence and no expertise is quite dubious. A certain guy who likes to golf comes to mind.

lumberingjack 6y ago
Obama and Biden I was thinking the same things they golf so freaking much
jtbayly 6y ago
I assume you’re talking about this guy? https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AP110618021437.jpg https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AP11061802... Edit: Lol. I love the downvotes. I mean, who are you talking about? Tiger Woods? Jack Nicklaus? Or were you dragging politics into this just to make a cheap shot? If so, what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
- arolihas 6y ago
  Trump has played 308 rounds of golf since becoming president in 2017. Obama in his 8 years in office had played 333.
  - lumberingjack 6y ago
    One of them owns several places where you can golf the other one is married to a man
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - MobileVet 6y ago
    Easy now... let’s not bring facts into this discussion.
    - arolihas 6y ago
      My bad, I should be more careful around trump supporters, I know they’re allergic to facts.
  - bjourne 6y ago
    Interestingly, in Trump's book How to get Rich he recommends taking up golf as a means to becoming successful.
    - Retric 6y ago
      It seems a stretch to assume he actually wrote any of the books with his name on the cover. Ghostwriters are cheap, and writing takes time. That’s not a dig, it just seems like a poor ROI.
      - Tarsul 6y ago
        Probably true. The book "The art of the deal" was ghostwritten. Here's a nice article about the ghostwriter (and how it haunts him): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/04/donald-trump-tony-schwartz-interview-art-of-the-deal https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/04/donald-trump...
      - jacobolus 6y ago
        Claims that he even read a single full book in the past few decades (with his name on the cover or otherwise) are not credible. They changed the briefing format to a few bullet points in a large font with lots of pictures, and he still doesn't bother to read them (Tillerson: he "doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things"). He stumbles and mispronounces words when slowly reading a few sentences on a teleprompter (also reportedly set to a much larger than usual font), commonly misreads a word or phrase and then ad libs a nonsensical embellishment to play the mistake off as intentional, and frequently goes entirely off script with visible relief to just speak off the top of his head. There is a deposition video where he flat refuses to read a few sentences of a contract out loud. When people ask him about what he is reading, he grimaces and deflects with an answer about being too busy. The speculation that poor eyesight contributes to his functional illiteracy seems plausible.
    - klyrs 6y ago
      It really helps the getting rich plan if you golf at your own resort, and charge the government to feed and house your entourage.
  - jackpirate 6y ago
    I would love a source on this. But even if true, that still paints Trump as the bigger golfer since Obama had 2x as many years to play essentially the same amount of golf.
    - arolihas 6y ago
      That was my point.
    - csa 6y ago
      > I would love a source on this. https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2020/12/29/how-many-times-president-donald-trump-played-golf-in-office-103836/ https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2020/12/29/how-ma... This article supports the numbers for Trump and adds additional information. https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/obamas-final-tally-333-rounds-golf-potus https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/obamas... The above article gives numbers for Obama. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-defends-golf-trips-falsely-claims-less-than-obama-2020-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-defends-golf-trips-fal... This article compares them both as of the summer of their 4th year in office. Short summary, Trump played at about 2x the pace of Obama.
      - hansthehorse 6y ago
        Obama played golf 113 times in his first term. Trump played 302. In the first 100 days of the presidency Obama played golf once, Trump played 19 times.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  Is complaining about downvotes the same "snowflake" behavior I've been hearing about for years? Interesting to have your feelings hurt that easily.
  - jtbayly 6y ago
    I’m not complaining, and my feelings aren’t hurt. I’m laughing at you.
bzb6 6y ago
You can make a point like this without getting politics involved because it inevitably cheapens the discussion.
- madbkarim 6y ago
  How’s that comment is political?
lordnacho 6y ago
If you look at schools, especially elite ones, there's a strange desire for all the kids to become leaders. Nobody questions it, I don't know why. I guess the school thinks it's useful to be associated with some future leaders? The thing is leadership ought to be like you say. Some kind of competence that allows you to help a group of people complete some kind of task. But let's be honest. The kids want to be student council president because it's prestigious. They grow up and then they want to be CEO because it's prestigious and well paying. They pay lip service to the idea of helping a team, but really, we know they don't care all that much. It's ass backwards, people want to be leaders because {prize} and then they think about how to get there. Sometimes we get lucky and they conclude that they need to climb the ladder by being competent (this fails a lot due to pyramid structures and politics), but often they just figure out that to seem competent, you have to shout a lot about how competent you are.
- dpeck 6y ago
  Schools, especially elite ones, often see their purpose as creating/fostering leaders out of the pool of potential that they’ve curated.
- poulsbohemian 6y ago
  > If you look at schools, especially elite ones, there's a strange desire for all the kids to become leaders. Those schools maintain their status and position by ensuring their alumni become leaders. Thus it is to their advantage. Which brings us to the bigger picture... we live in a Darwinian word of evolve-or-die, strongest-will-survive. Thus passing on to our children the skills of leadership are part of this same desire for our children to thrive.
  - technothrasher 6y ago
    That sounds more like a Lamarckian metaphor than Darwinian one.
- hrktb 6y ago
  > Nobody questions it, I don't know why. Money. In our society it pays more in average to be a leader. On the why it pays more, I’d posit leaders are closer to the money source so get more negotiating power as they have more information.
agumonkey 6y ago
Also empathy and altruism. You have to care about how everyone is doing and how the whole group feels.

lumberingjack 6y ago

Obama and Biden I was thinking the same things they golf so freaking much

jtbayly 6y ago

I assume you’re talking about this guy? https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AP110618021437.jpg https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/AP11061802... Edit: Lol. I love the downvotes. I mean, who are you talking about? Tiger Woods? Jack Nicklaus? Or were you dragging politics into this just to make a cheap shot? If so, what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

arolihas 6y ago
Trump has played 308 rounds of golf since becoming president in 2017. Obama in his 8 years in office had played 333.
- lumberingjack 6y ago
  One of them owns several places where you can golf the other one is married to a man
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- MobileVet 6y ago
  Easy now... let’s not bring facts into this discussion.
  - arolihas 6y ago
    My bad, I should be more careful around trump supporters, I know they’re allergic to facts.
- bjourne 6y ago
  Interestingly, in Trump's book How to get Rich he recommends taking up golf as a means to becoming successful.
  - Retric 6y ago
    It seems a stretch to assume he actually wrote any of the books with his name on the cover. Ghostwriters are cheap, and writing takes time. That’s not a dig, it just seems like a poor ROI.
    - Tarsul 6y ago
      Probably true. The book "The art of the deal" was ghostwritten. Here's a nice article about the ghostwriter (and how it haunts him): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/04/donald-trump-tony-schwartz-interview-art-of-the-deal https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/04/donald-trump...
    - jacobolus 6y ago
      Claims that he even read a single full book in the past few decades (with his name on the cover or otherwise) are not credible. They changed the briefing format to a few bullet points in a large font with lots of pictures, and he still doesn't bother to read them (Tillerson: he "doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things"). He stumbles and mispronounces words when slowly reading a few sentences on a teleprompter (also reportedly set to a much larger than usual font), commonly misreads a word or phrase and then ad libs a nonsensical embellishment to play the mistake off as intentional, and frequently goes entirely off script with visible relief to just speak off the top of his head. There is a deposition video where he flat refuses to read a few sentences of a contract out loud. When people ask him about what he is reading, he grimaces and deflects with an answer about being too busy. The speculation that poor eyesight contributes to his functional illiteracy seems plausible.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    It really helps the getting rich plan if you golf at your own resort, and charge the government to feed and house your entourage.
- jackpirate 6y ago
  I would love a source on this. But even if true, that still paints Trump as the bigger golfer since Obama had 2x as many years to play essentially the same amount of golf.
  - arolihas 6y ago
    That was my point.
  - csa 6y ago
    > I would love a source on this. https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2020/12/29/how-many-times-president-donald-trump-played-golf-in-office-103836/ https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2020/12/29/how-ma... This article supports the numbers for Trump and adds additional information. https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/obamas-final-tally-333-rounds-golf-potus https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/obamas... The above article gives numbers for Obama. https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-defends-golf-trips-falsely-claims-less-than-obama-2020-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-defends-golf-trips-fal... This article compares them both as of the summer of their 4th year in office. Short summary, Trump played at about 2x the pace of Obama.
    - hansthehorse 6y ago
      Obama played golf 113 times in his first term. Trump played 302. In the first 100 days of the presidency Obama played golf once, Trump played 19 times.
aaomidi 6y ago
Is complaining about downvotes the same "snowflake" behavior I've been hearing about for years? Interesting to have your feelings hurt that easily.
- jtbayly 6y ago
  I’m not complaining, and my feelings aren’t hurt. I’m laughing at you.

bzb6 6y ago

You can make a point like this without getting politics involved because it inevitably cheapens the discussion.

madbkarim 6y ago
How’s that comment is political?

lordnacho 6y ago

If you look at schools, especially elite ones, there's a strange desire for all the kids to become leaders. Nobody questions it, I don't know why. I guess the school thinks it's useful to be associated with some future leaders? The thing is leadership ought to be like you say. Some kind of competence that allows you to help a group of people complete some kind of task. But let's be honest. The kids want to be student council president because it's prestigious. They grow up and then they want to be CEO because it's prestigious and well paying. They pay lip service to the idea of helping a team, but really, we know they don't care all that much. It's ass backwards, people want to be leaders because {prize} and then they think about how to get there. Sometimes we get lucky and they conclude that they need to climb the ladder by being competent (this fails a lot due to pyramid structures and politics), but often they just figure out that to seem competent, you have to shout a lot about how competent you are.

dpeck 6y ago
Schools, especially elite ones, often see their purpose as creating/fostering leaders out of the pool of potential that they’ve curated.
poulsbohemian 6y ago
> If you look at schools, especially elite ones, there's a strange desire for all the kids to become leaders. Those schools maintain their status and position by ensuring their alumni become leaders. Thus it is to their advantage. Which brings us to the bigger picture... we live in a Darwinian word of evolve-or-die, strongest-will-survive. Thus passing on to our children the skills of leadership are part of this same desire for our children to thrive.
- technothrasher 6y ago
  That sounds more like a Lamarckian metaphor than Darwinian one.
hrktb 6y ago
> Nobody questions it, I don't know why. Money. In our society it pays more in average to be a leader. On the why it pays more, I’d posit leaders are closer to the money source so get more negotiating power as they have more information.

agumonkey 6y ago

Also empathy and altruism. You have to care about how everyone is doing and how the whole group feels.