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> unwilling to give up on their single family homes I think that expecting people to "give up their homes" is more than unreasonable. The reasonable compromise
by RhodesianHunter 6y ago
> unwilling to give up on their single family homes
I think that expecting people to "give up their homes" is more than unreasonable. The reasonable compromise being that builders can build in more densely once the current owners sell it.
- oblio 6y agoI think the point is: what if they don't sell it, at all? Kids move out of the house, parents retire at 65 and live to 85+. That's 20 years, a whole generation.
- ProblemFactory 6y agoIf the developer can get permission to build 3-5 story apartments on the lot, then their land suddenly becomes way more valuable than the single home ever was. Most retirees will gladly sell and live in luxury elsewhere. If a few don't, it won't make a difference.
- bernawil 6y agoIf the developer can get permission to build 3-5 story apartments on the lot wouldn't that only work for a single unit? Like, yes, if inside a single-family-zoned block a unit would get a special permission to be the only one to build high density, sure that piece of land would be more valuable than before. But if the whole block gets rezoned, then there's a race to the bottom.
- imtringued 6y agoOther comments mentioned that NIMBYs don't want their neighbours to upzone either.
- nradov 6y agoMany single family home owners will strenuously object to having a developer build a 5 storey apartment building next door because they don't want additional noise, traffic, and people looking down into their private back yard. It directly impacts their quality of life.
- toiletfuneral 6y agoThis is something we’re trying to stop? “Families need to stop staying together because rich people want condos in SF” is the most Hacker News comment I have ever read. Absolutely sociopathic shit.
- starclerk 6y agoAbsolutely. Upzoning never forces owners to "give up their home"-- maybe the issue is owners don't want their neighbors to be able to sell their homes to developers either.
- Kalium 6y agoThat's absolutely it. People not only are unwilling to sell - as in their right - but also insist that everyone else be unwilling to sell. If they are willing, the permitting process is made to be as painful as possible, in an effort to discourage everyone involved.
- Tiktaalik 6y agoNot necessarily true. An upzoning will likely increase the value of the land, which will result in higher property taxes (assuming this is a normal city with no prop13 nonsense). The higher taxes could effectively force a land owner to sell their property. Often part of what existing land owners are fighting for is preferential zoning which artificially keeps the "highest and best use of land" a low density detached house, which keeps land values relatively low.
- RhodesianHunter 6y agoThis is assuming no or poor homestead exemption.