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"Pfizer couldn’t meet every target set by its chief executive. Mr. Bourla wanted the vaccine done by October and as many as 100 million doses by year’s close, e

"Pfizer couldn’t meet every target set by its chief executive. Mr. Bourla wanted the vaccine done by October and as many as 100 million doses by year’s close, enough for 50 million people. Instead about half that will be produced." It'll be very interesting to see just how many people will take the vaccine over the next 6 months or so. I just had two nurses tell me that they will NOT be taking the vaccine, they are too scared of it. Based on what other folks have said, I'm guessing the number is going to be much lower than hoped. I am really hoping I'm wrong. It doesn't worry me at all.

bpodgursky 6y ago
Hopefully the highly-vulnerable populations (elderly, obese) are willing to take the small unknown risk enough to drive down death rates. I'm not personally super bothered of a bunch of young and healthy people choose to forgo the vaccine pending more time and studies.
- mattr47 6y ago
  Unfortunately the testing was done on healthy people, not the elderly or those with pre existing conditions.
- neals 6y ago
  One of the issues is that young people also end up on the IC. If you were to just 'let young people' out and about, hospitals would still be overwhelmed.
  - macspoofing 6y ago
    >One of the issues is that young people also end up on the IC. The rate is important. If the rate is miniscule, then it may still be an issue, but not an overly important one. >If you were to just 'let young people' out and about, hospitals would still be overwhelmed. Are we sure about that? Any numbers you can share?
  - chiefalchemist 6y ago
    It's important to realize, in today's (Western) world, young is not longer synonymous with healthy. Obesity, diabetes, addiction, vaping, etc. are all close to the broader population. That said, young + healthy generally mitigates the risk of Covid 19.
  - rimliu 6y ago
    Not in the numbers that would cause any additional burden for the system.
- noetokyo 6y ago
  The problem is that 70% of adults are overweight and obese.
lawn 6y ago
Here in Sweden almost everyone I've talked with said they would consider taking the vaccine, but that they wouldn't be first in line. It worries me that so many seem so hesitant towards vaccine and I'll gladly stand first in line, but we're rightly prioritizing the elderly and their caretakers.
- that_guy_iain 6y ago
  I think part of the problem is we were told it would take 18 months, then in half that time we have a vaccine with a fast track testing process. And then within 24 hours of the vaccine being used in the UK there were reports of people having bad reactions to it due to that group being excluded from the testing. Vaccines have been getting hit hard by anti-vaxers for so long that this seems to have fallen right into their lap with a bunch of easy to use propaganda.
  - mssundaram 6y ago
    Is it propaganda if it's true events?
    - abstrakraft 6y ago
      Just because the event is true doesn't mean it's presented with the correct statistical context. For example, if, hypothetically, 2 people developed complications from the vaccine out of a treated population of 20 million, a front page headline exclaiming "Covid Vaccine Causing Complications" would be technically true, but also propaganda.
      - rimliu 6y ago
        The same goes the other way. We see articles "A young person dies from COVID-19". True, but it aldo true that half of the COVID-19 victims were in the age bracket that is 10 years older than the life expectancy in the country.
  - standardUser 6y ago
macspoofing 6y ago
>I just had two nurses tell me that they will NOT be taking the vaccine, they are too scared of it. That is their right, but then they should be given a leave of absence or fired.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
  It's really hard to fire imaginary people, though.
  - macspoofing 6y ago
    I suspect you're correct. OP could be making this up. Having said that it's a big country and there may be health professionals, including nurses, who may balk at receiving the vaccine.
BjoernKW 6y ago
I really don't get the rationale behind this argument (if there even is one, at all), by medical professionals no less. How is getting a properly tested vaccine with a known 1 to 10% probability of side effects such as headaches or fever scarier than the prospect of contracting COVID-19 with roughly a 10% probability of developing severe to life-threatening symptoms? Yes, there might be as of yet unknown vaccine side effects but the same is true for chronic symptoms that might be caused by COVID-19.
- iso1210 6y ago
  > the prospect of contracting COVID-19 with roughly a 10% probability of developing severe to life-threatening symptoms? Citation needed. For 45-65 year olds IFR seems to be in the 0.3% rate, for under 45s it's way lower. Hospitalisations about 2-4 times the number of deaths, so that seems to be in the 1% range for 'severe' symptons if you catch it and are towards the older age of nurses
  - monoideism 6y ago
    You're responding with IFR, which deals with infections (including many asymptomatic) and mortality, when your parent comment is discussing cases and severe morbidity. That is, you're comparing apples and oranges. IFR is almost always significantly lower than CFR for infectious diseases. That's particularly the case with Covid.
    - iso1210 6y ago
      A case is just a detected infection. If you have no tests, then your cases will be low. Your infections will be high. A "Case Fatality" is a pretty meaningless number. You can't avoid the consequences of covid19 by not being tested.
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- bluedino 6y ago

bpodgursky 6y ago

Hopefully the highly-vulnerable populations (elderly, obese) are willing to take the small unknown risk enough to drive down death rates. I'm not personally super bothered of a bunch of young and healthy people choose to forgo the vaccine pending more time and studies.

mattr47 6y ago
Unfortunately the testing was done on healthy people, not the elderly or those with pre existing conditions.
neals 6y ago
One of the issues is that young people also end up on the IC. If you were to just 'let young people' out and about, hospitals would still be overwhelmed.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  >One of the issues is that young people also end up on the IC. The rate is important. If the rate is miniscule, then it may still be an issue, but not an overly important one. >If you were to just 'let young people' out and about, hospitals would still be overwhelmed. Are we sure about that? Any numbers you can share?
- chiefalchemist 6y ago
  It's important to realize, in today's (Western) world, young is not longer synonymous with healthy. Obesity, diabetes, addiction, vaping, etc. are all close to the broader population. That said, young + healthy generally mitigates the risk of Covid 19.
- rimliu 6y ago
  Not in the numbers that would cause any additional burden for the system.
noetokyo 6y ago
The problem is that 70% of adults are overweight and obese.

lawn 6y ago

Here in Sweden almost everyone I've talked with said they would consider taking the vaccine, but that they wouldn't be first in line. It worries me that so many seem so hesitant towards vaccine and I'll gladly stand first in line, but we're rightly prioritizing the elderly and their caretakers.

that_guy_iain 6y ago
I think part of the problem is we were told it would take 18 months, then in half that time we have a vaccine with a fast track testing process. And then within 24 hours of the vaccine being used in the UK there were reports of people having bad reactions to it due to that group being excluded from the testing. Vaccines have been getting hit hard by anti-vaxers for so long that this seems to have fallen right into their lap with a bunch of easy to use propaganda.
- mssundaram 6y ago
  Is it propaganda if it's true events?
  - abstrakraft 6y ago
    Just because the event is true doesn't mean it's presented with the correct statistical context. For example, if, hypothetically, 2 people developed complications from the vaccine out of a treated population of 20 million, a front page headline exclaiming "Covid Vaccine Causing Complications" would be technically true, but also propaganda.
    - rimliu 6y ago
      The same goes the other way. We see articles "A young person dies from COVID-19". True, but it aldo true that half of the COVID-19 victims were in the age bracket that is 10 years older than the life expectancy in the country.
- standardUser 6y ago

macspoofing 6y ago

>I just had two nurses tell me that they will NOT be taking the vaccine, they are too scared of it. That is their right, but then they should be given a leave of absence or fired.

IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
It's really hard to fire imaginary people, though.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  I suspect you're correct. OP could be making this up. Having said that it's a big country and there may be health professionals, including nurses, who may balk at receiving the vaccine.

BjoernKW 6y ago

I really don't get the rationale behind this argument (if there even is one, at all), by medical professionals no less. How is getting a properly tested vaccine with a known 1 to 10% probability of side effects such as headaches or fever scarier than the prospect of contracting COVID-19 with roughly a 10% probability of developing severe to life-threatening symptoms? Yes, there might be as of yet unknown vaccine side effects but the same is true for chronic symptoms that might be caused by COVID-19.

iso1210 6y ago
> the prospect of contracting COVID-19 with roughly a 10% probability of developing severe to life-threatening symptoms? Citation needed. For 45-65 year olds IFR seems to be in the 0.3% rate, for under 45s it's way lower. Hospitalisations about 2-4 times the number of deaths, so that seems to be in the 1% range for 'severe' symptons if you catch it and are towards the older age of nurses
- monoideism 6y ago
  You're responding with IFR, which deals with infections (including many asymptomatic) and mortality, when your parent comment is discussing cases and severe morbidity. That is, you're comparing apples and oranges. IFR is almost always significantly lower than CFR for infectious diseases. That's particularly the case with Covid.
  - iso1210 6y ago
    A case is just a detected infection. If you have no tests, then your cases will be low. Your infections will be high. A "Case Fatality" is a pretty meaningless number. You can't avoid the consequences of covid19 by not being tested.
    - deleted 6y ago
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bluedino 6y ago