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TBH it doesn’t matter if she is right or wrong. Her tone and angry writing is pretty harsh. The Twitter replies read a lot like her Google message thing. She’s
by wil421 6y ago
TBH it doesn’t matter if she is right or wrong. Her tone and angry writing is pretty harsh.
The Twitter replies read a lot like her Google message thing. She’s got a lot of good things to say but needs to work on the delivery.
I think she’s playing the victim and race card a lot more than she should. She’s got all the ammo she needs to make her arguments without the angry victim tone.
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- sudosysgen 6y agoI agree that her tone is not good, indeed. It's true that this is a big problem on Twitter especially. I still think it is an interesting and under-discussed point, though.
- smt1 6y agoIt's why natural language is so hard. People like ethnographers and other people who spend their continuous feeling time understanding this are owed a lot of gratitude (like us, who benefit from unicode). Tone is just another way to encode a basic unit within a language (how a basic unitary 'meme' is converted to a 'lexeme', 'morpheme', etc is very interesting, but has been part of an ancient ontology/metaontology war for all communications systems), and language is just a tool for two human beings to communicate and share ideas. just look at the variance of toneless between English, the gamut of into-european Langs, and tonal languages like Chinese. Heck, in the Universe in a Single Atom, the Dali Llama talks about how Buddhism and other Indic culture spread across the himilayas (it took a lot of sheer luck and kinematics). Sanskrit unlike Tibetan had a lot of prosody (aka distributed word-meaning state), but the English equivalent to things like "affect" and "effect" were culture shocks. Tibetan had little words to encode affect-like words outside of mental states. So little "counting" was ever done.
- igor47 6y agoHave you considered that there are many other people with the same thing to say, who are saying it with the respectful tone you demand, and are being just as politely and quietly ignored?
- wil421 6y agoYes but I’m not a prominent AI Ethics Academic with ties to 2 of the best colleges in the country, Stanford and MIT. Who also had a very good job at one of the most sought after companies in the world, Google. When she speaks people listen. Nobody listens to wil421.
- robertlagrant 6y agoThat's true. No one, for example, thinks you're their ancestral king, do they? Your majesty.
- dekhn 6y agoI think the simplest thing to be said about messaging and tone is this: If your goal is to say things to convince people to change their behavior, it makes sense to spend some time thinking about how your message and its tone will be perceived, since that has a big impact on how people receive and process the message. Based on a long career of watching people trying to convince the others, attacking people is typically a failing strategy. Instead, learn how to message in a way that is non confrontational, and most importantly, make it clear what is your opinion, versus fact.
- steve_g 6y agoWell, she didn't get ignored. Instead, she got fired. If that was her goal, then she succeeded. If it wasn't, maybe she should have taken a different approach.
- devdas 6y agoTone policing is a common way to silence people though.
- raxxorrax 6y agoCriticizing tone policing has to be self defeating.