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Cool! But even if it turns out to be practically possible, I wouldn't do it because I'm against GMO.

Pelic4n 6y ago
Well I hope you don't get diabetes because that's how insulin is made. If you'd like to educate yourself: https://www.tga.gov.au/guidance-21-medicines-produced-genetic-manipulation https://www.tga.gov.au/guidance-21-medicines-produced-geneti...
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  I won't get diabetes, because I don't eat shit food that the "scientists" want me to eat in the first place.
  - kstenerud 6y ago
    Diabetes is one of the oldest diseases described in written form (circa 1500 BCE in Egypt). Just how long have these "scientists" wanted us to eat "shit food"?
  - Wirerack 6y ago
    I hope you don't get Type 1 then...
    - AntiImperialist 6y ago
      Not going to get that either.
dkdbejwi383 6y ago
What do you eat then? Not being funny, but practically all food stuffs are GMO. Over centuries, farmers have selected the "best" crops (whether that be for hardiness, fast-growing, large fruit bearing, etc).
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  "Artificial selection" (which is just a terrible name for coevolution with humans) is different. It happens in a longer time period of time so the rest of the eco-system (including humans) gets to coevolve with it. I know there is a lot of propaganda that goes into it, mostly to paint the opposition as uneducated irrational village idiots so you can dismiss anyone who brings this up... or you feel the urge to educate them about the basics, so let me frame it another way which may be easier to understand: Are you familiar with the problem of invasive species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species)? It's when certain species of plants or animals are introduced into a different eco-system that hasn't evolved with that particular animal or plant... and the whole eco-system goes out of whack. All GMOs are potential invasive species to all eco-systems. This problem does not exist (or is negligible) with artificial selection.
  - kstenerud 6y ago
    Which GMO species are invasive? And how do you know which genetic coercion methods pose a greater danger of mutating a non-invasive species into an invasive one?
    - AntiImperialist 6y ago
      >Which GMO species are invasive? Specifically - it is impossible to know until they play out in particular eco-systems, just like with any other species. There is a reason why many organizations worldwide are working to forbid transporting certain species in and out of different habitats. Potentially - all of them. >And how do you know which genetic coercion methods pose a greater danger of mutating a non-invasive species into an invasive one? Most mutations are deadly to the organism... and even among those that are not, it is possible that something similar has happened before and the eco-system has dealt with it (by rendering the mutations harmful to the ecosystems ineffective)... and the range of what is produced, even with mutations is limited. Sometimes, the mutations are dangerous and effective... but they are much rarer to the point that we can ignore it. GMOs are combination of already "effective" traits by design a lot of these combinations would not have occurred before. If taking a species to a different island where it is not native to is bad enough, creating specific ones which have never existed anywhere ever is a major ecological disaster waiting to happen. This should not even be a discussion... but it's a thing only because the organizations that are working to fix the problem of invasive species are not even close to powerful as those who want to push GMOs for profit... and therefore there is a lot of pro-GMO PR in the media.
Mumps 6y ago
I hear this fairly often, but have never heard an argument against GMO that holds water. Do you have a rational reason for being against them?
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  Yes, I have explained in my other replies in the same thread.

Well I hope you don't get diabetes because that's how insulin is made. If you'd like to educate yourself: https://www.tga.gov.au/guidance-21-medicines-produced-genetic-manipulation https://www.tga.gov.au/guidance-21-medicines-produced-geneti...

AntiImperialist 6y ago
I won't get diabetes, because I don't eat shit food that the "scientists" want me to eat in the first place.
- kstenerud 6y ago
  Diabetes is one of the oldest diseases described in written form (circa 1500 BCE in Egypt). Just how long have these "scientists" wanted us to eat "shit food"?
- Wirerack 6y ago
  I hope you don't get Type 1 then...
  - AntiImperialist 6y ago
    Not going to get that either.

dkdbejwi383 6y ago

What do you eat then? Not being funny, but practically all food stuffs are GMO. Over centuries, farmers have selected the "best" crops (whether that be for hardiness, fast-growing, large fruit bearing, etc).

AntiImperialist 6y ago
"Artificial selection" (which is just a terrible name for coevolution with humans) is different. It happens in a longer time period of time so the rest of the eco-system (including humans) gets to coevolve with it. I know there is a lot of propaganda that goes into it, mostly to paint the opposition as uneducated irrational village idiots so you can dismiss anyone who brings this up... or you feel the urge to educate them about the basics, so let me frame it another way which may be easier to understand: Are you familiar with the problem of invasive species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species)? It's when certain species of plants or animals are introduced into a different eco-system that hasn't evolved with that particular animal or plant... and the whole eco-system goes out of whack. All GMOs are potential invasive species to all eco-systems. This problem does not exist (or is negligible) with artificial selection.
- kstenerud 6y ago
  Which GMO species are invasive? And how do you know which genetic coercion methods pose a greater danger of mutating a non-invasive species into an invasive one?
  - AntiImperialist 6y ago
    >Which GMO species are invasive? Specifically - it is impossible to know until they play out in particular eco-systems, just like with any other species. There is a reason why many organizations worldwide are working to forbid transporting certain species in and out of different habitats. Potentially - all of them. >And how do you know which genetic coercion methods pose a greater danger of mutating a non-invasive species into an invasive one? Most mutations are deadly to the organism... and even among those that are not, it is possible that something similar has happened before and the eco-system has dealt with it (by rendering the mutations harmful to the ecosystems ineffective)... and the range of what is produced, even with mutations is limited. Sometimes, the mutations are dangerous and effective... but they are much rarer to the point that we can ignore it. GMOs are combination of already "effective" traits by design a lot of these combinations would not have occurred before. If taking a species to a different island where it is not native to is bad enough, creating specific ones which have never existed anywhere ever is a major ecological disaster waiting to happen. This should not even be a discussion... but it's a thing only because the organizations that are working to fix the problem of invasive species are not even close to powerful as those who want to push GMOs for profit... and therefore there is a lot of pro-GMO PR in the media.

Mumps 6y ago

I hear this fairly often, but have never heard an argument against GMO that holds water. Do you have a rational reason for being against them?

AntiImperialist 6y ago
Yes, I have explained in my other replies in the same thread.