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Psiloscoby: Psilocybin Brewed by Kombucha
- rbosinger 6y agoSo where do I buy one?
- Wonnk13 6y agoBeen seeing a lot of Psilocybin on the front of HN lately and I'm loving it. With Oregon legalizing it, I can't wait to try it out.
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- wavefunction 6y agoI am sure other opinions will differ but if you feel generally secure with yourself and your life, I'd recommend enjoying it out in the woods. My friend has had some magical experiences with the sunset and the onset of the evening but it's not bad during the day, just less readily apparent visual effects, according to them.
- tpfour 6y agoI would like to add that even if you "feel generally secure with yourself and your life", psilocybin could teach you otherwise.
- wavefunction 6y agoYes and it can confirm your feelings of security as well.
- LilBytes 6y agoDon't try it outside for the first time unless you've previously tripped. After which, yes. r/Outside trips can be so incredibly rewarding If you are going to try it for the first time, and for most I feel you should at least consider it. Please first do it in the comfort of your own home before venturing to r/Outside. This way if you're not familiar with the experience, and you get to a place of discomfort. You can sit yourself on your couch and watch mindless television while you revisit parts of your psych that you didn't know existed and slowly succumb to the fact, you are, actually an arsehole more often than you would like... Source: I've tripped dozens and dozens of times over many, many years. And some times. You just get sad. And being cuddled up on the couch is of much greater comfort than a tent in the humid Australian bush when you wish you had a cold beer with air conditioning.
- wavefunction 6y agoI can only offer an anecdote but it's fine outside your first time as long as you're comfortable with yourself and your life and setting. I wouldn't do it around other people who aren't part of your adventure though.
- ourcat 6y agoI would only do psychedelics around people I trust completely. Strangers and, as you say, people who just aren't in to it will just raise the likelihood of having a bummer.
- triceratops 6y agoDoes calling it r/Outside instead of just "outside" have any particular significance in the context of psychedelic substances? Just curious why you're using "r/Outside" specifically.
- andrevoget 6y agoIt's a reference to the forum r/Outside on reddit.com
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- triceratops 6y agoIs that subreddit dedicated to psychedelics?
- LilBytes 6y agoNo, it's a satirical subreddit. Where they talk about the real world as if you are partaking in an RPG.
- PrefixKitten 6y agoHow can one be an asshole much more than 'basically all the time'?
- hutzlibu 6y ago"Been seeing a lot of Psilocybin on the front of HN lately" I suppose a combination of quarantine with cold and dark outside ... (in the northern hemisphere, where probably most of HN users come from) And about trying it out: Make sure about the right set and setting, though. You need to feel save in the place and stable in the mind. Horrortrips are not so pleaseant. Ideally, have not anything scheduled the day(s) after, to have time to process it.
- c22 6y ago>...with cold and dark outside ... At least where I live it's also the season where you can just go outside and harvest them.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoLiberty caps, in Europe?
- MrDresden 6y agoThey grow wild in Iceland's capital for instance.
- yesbabyyes 6y agoThey are considered native to Europe and grow all over the continent.
- dr_dshiv 6y agoFunnily enough, they are never mentioned in all ancient texts on medicinal herbs. Almost like they were kept a secret!
- amanaplanacanal 6y agoWe also have them in the Pacific Northwest.
- PragmaticPulp 6y agoI have a neutral opinion on Psilocybin in general, but beware the selection bias in internet comment sections. Positive comments get upvoted and praised, negative experiences get dismissed with a mix of victim blaming (usually "set and setting" comments) or explained away as exacerbating pre-existing underlying conditions. Eventually those with bad experiences give up on participating in discussions. It does appear that Psilocybin has some therapeutic potential, but all of the good studies are performed in conjunction with professional-guided therapy sessions. DIY unguided experimentation is a different animal and shouldn't be confused with what's being reported in studies.
- vmception 6y ago> Negative experiences get dismissed with a mix of victim blaming (usually "set and setting" comments) or explained away as exacerbating pre-existing underlying conditions. Eventually those with bad experiences give up on participating in discussions. +1 to that and there is so much irony in it because of the focus on improved empathy. I usually end up leaving druggie anecdote circle-jerks just wishing that peer reviewed studies merely existed, and further frustrated about how many challenges there are to getting to that point. Even state-level legalization is whack for studies.
- nonbirithm 6y agoOnly speculating, but maybe it's because the legal status of psilocybin prevents all but the people who are most interested in it from taking it. If it were legally available then maybe more people that would use it casually would emerge than if it were illegal, and the number of negative experiences would increase. From what I understand, it's best to have a good mindset and have someone else knowledgeable of the substance to guide you through the process, otherwise it isn't as effective or harmful to the psyche.
- adrusi 6y agoAlternatively, maybe if it were legally available people who took it wouldn't have the stress of "what if the cops show up while we're tripping" hanging over them while they embarked on a drug experience that can magnify that sort of thing into a panic attack, and the rate of negative experiences would be lower.
- _peeley 6y agoUnfortunately the upcoming legislation doesn't make psilocybin available to casually try out - it won't be available for over-the-counter purchase like marijuana/alcohol, but rather during therapy sessions with a therapist specifically licensed to administer psilocybin. Possession of small amounts of it have been "decriminalized" (you need to pay a fine or go to rehab, but you don't go to jail) along with cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine, etc. but it still isn't fully legal to purchase and possess per se.
- moistly 6y agoAnd starting today, there’s a ton of shroom advertising on Reddit.
- amonadisamonoid 6y agoPsilocybin + Kombucha? Could it get more hipster?
- xkcd-sucks 6y agoGod fucking dammit I really thought it was a working proof of concept... No, it's a bunch of trivial speculation
- monitor1977 6y agoI wonder how you measure the dosing. Mushrooms are pretty well established as far the amount needed for varying degrees of experiences.
- ornornor 6y agoThere are scales but it’s not very scientific because the active ingredients concentration vary wildly between individual mushrooms. Trial and error I guess unless you’re in a lab setting with pure medical grade compounds so you know exactly how many mg you’re getting.
- jkingsman 6y agoThis is a neat idea but I'm unclear on the status from the site -- is this just a neat idea or has this been borne out?
- Nbox9 6y agoI wonder if it is something that is borne out but because of the illegal nature of psilocybin it is shared as just an idea.
- aaron695 6y agoIf it's possible, why would this work over opioids or cocaine or NMN or other billion $ ideas? Has this sort of thing ever been done with anything outside of tight lab conditions?
- aficiomaquinas 6y agoAs a cancer survivor, I can confirm the absolutely amazing, life-changing effect that psilocybin had on my depression. After cancer, it gets really difficult to "reintegrate" with society. Most conversations sound absolutely pointless, I felt like there was less grip surface between the concept of me and almost everyone. The depressions after cancer are commonplace, and mine were strong, too. The difference in depression recurrence and intensity after a single 3g dose of psilocybe cubensis was spectacular. After a couple of months I started on psilocybin micro doses and, so far, along with hormone replacement therapy (I lost a testicle to cancer), I'm finally feeling OK. Much better than OK. :D
- exolymph 6y agoThat's awesome, thank you for sharing!
- agumonkey 6y agoHey there, happy about your recovery both physical and psychological. How did you come across psylo and Could you share how you learned and planned your dosing ?
- sam1r 6y agoI would love to hear more about this too.
- bfgoodrich 6y agoI am not the person you replied to, however spores are readily available online in many nations (they are absent psilocybin/psilocin, and thus are often unregulated and lawfully sold as syringes or prints), and techniques like "PF Tek" are simple, well documented, and speedy.
- toomuchtodo 6y agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/comments/el1da3/part_1_how_mushrooms_and_mycelium_grow/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unclebens/comments/el1da3/part_1_ho...
- sam1r 6y agoFor any first prospective first timers in the Bay Area reading this.... Nature is the way to go. Oakland volcanic preserve. Go at 6am and hike to the top. You won’t be able to see anything because of the fog. When the fog disappears and you see the world.... it’s like 4K oled meets virtual reality. Except the your peripheral bounds span beyond imax. That + color. There are so many micro world vibes that will blow your mind. The different shades of green based on where you are the park will lead to different emotions. Unforgettable. For another trip; Berkeley’s botanical preserves (if you can get access) are a completely different vibe. As I’m sure you can imagine. Access can be a little tough. Anyways, as one who always ‘yeah yeah yeah’d those who appreciated nature around me. I finally learned to shut the fuck up and appreciate nature.
- Pelic4n 6y agoThat's a lot of terrible, dangerous, potentially life threatening advice. First time psychedelic use should be done in a safe, familiar, controlled environment with someone that can help if something go wrong.
- anonymfus 6y agoI am afraid that a variance in both alcohol content and psilocybin produced by such symbiotic culture could mean that some users will get an unexpectedly huge dose of both.
- zygotic 6y agoTeasel where how when ?
- riskneutral 6y agoSign me up.
- jtsuken 6y agoI doubt this product has a future. I imagine a typical psylocibin user to be anti-GMO.
- renewiltord 6y agoInteresting. Not a single crunchy person in my psychonaut gang.
- bashwizard 6y agoYou have a vivid imagination, that's for sure.
- tolbish 6y agoI don't think anti-GMO is really a thing anymore.
- hutzlibu 6y agoThen you probaly should change your bubble. At least here in germany, there are lots of products proudly claiming to be GMO free. (which they actually are not, as a certain percentage is allowed by law but to still have that label)
- tolbish 6y agoI should clarify: being vocally anti-GMO isn't really a movement anymore. That's not to say GMO-free products aren't ubiquitous.
- hutzlibu 6y agoI guess they kind of gave up on it as a coherent movement, but anti-GMO sentiment is still strong in germany thats why the (pseudo) GMO free labels.
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- beenBoutIT 6y agoWhen are they going to genetically modify something (yeast, kombucha, etc.) to produce a more unanimously enjoyable psychedelic like MDMA? The inevitable unpleasant mushroom trips will really screw up any ratings system these guys employ.
- rstuart4133 6y agoMaybe because unlike MDMA, trying to find a death caused by the toxic effects of psilocybin is like looking for hens teeth: https://thedea.org/mdma-risks-science-and-statistics-technical-faq/mdma-molly-ecstasy-use-and-death-rate-statistics/ https://thedea.org/mdma-risks-science-and-statistics-technic...
- p1mrx 6y agoBut like, how can you be sure whether you're dead?
- capableweb 6y agoNot sure that will ever be possible. Psychedelics opens you up, for better or worse, which is one of the main benefits of it. MDMA is a stimulant and empathogen leading to you just feeling better, almost no matter what circumstance. They are different uses, but psychedelics will never be "unanimously enjoyable" as it depends too much on the person and how they feel as a person when they decide to trip.
- AntiImperialist 6y agoCool! But even if it turns out to be practically possible, I wouldn't do it because I'm against GMO.
- Pelic4n 6y agoWell I hope you don't get diabetes because that's how insulin is made. If you'd like to educate yourself: https://www.tga.gov.au/guidance-21-medicines-produced-genetic-manipulation https://www.tga.gov.au/guidance-21-medicines-produced-geneti...
- AntiImperialist 6y agoI won't get diabetes, because I don't eat shit food that the "scientists" want me to eat in the first place.
- kstenerud 6y agoDiabetes is one of the oldest diseases described in written form (circa 1500 BCE in Egypt). Just how long have these "scientists" wanted us to eat "shit food"?
- Wirerack 6y agoI hope you don't get Type 1 then...
- AntiImperialist 6y agoNot going to get that either.
- dkdbejwi383 6y agoWhat do you eat then? Not being funny, but practically all food stuffs are GMO. Over centuries, farmers have selected the "best" crops (whether that be for hardiness, fast-growing, large fruit bearing, etc).
- blodkorv 6y agoI have three friends who all have or have had hppd. I find this lax attitude of psilocybin worrying especially when nobody seems to warn about the dangers of hppd. One friend of mine had it for 6months and was lucky that it passed away, the two others are in a living hell and will never have a normal life again. I know its supposed to be rare, but the amount of people i read of having some form of it is too many for me to believe that there are a hidden majority of users that has gotten it and wont report for various reasons.
- hummusandsushi 6y agoThis is where I am pretty conflicted. I have ingested numerous hallucinogenic drugs, most of them when I was very young. I can only assume that I suffer from HPPD due to the eerily similar symptoms that I experience on a daily basis. However, it appears to me that marijuana had much more of an impact on my daily perception and I experienced it as the catalyst that causes my aberrant perception to be considered a disability. Today I consume no psychoactive drugs other than my prescribed antidepressants. That said, no one can be sure. There is no reliable way to diagnose HPPD since the change in perception could be caused by any number of confounding factors, and "a change" is not enough to cause discomfort, the effect needs to cause anxiety or disability to be considered a medical condition. Even with this I really wish countries would fund psilocybin research because the number of unknown factors are too large for people to be self-medicating with substances that cause temporary insanity. "Increased entropy of the brain" is absolutely what it causes, but there is no reason to assume that the change caused is entirely beneficial. Edit: I feel like I didn't get my point across well enough or communicate all that I wanted to. A component of a psychedelic experience is that you feel like nothing is ever "quite the same" afterwards. If you are prone to mental illness in any way, it is very easy to attribute it to the drug. It is hard to know whether the drug caused your change in perception, or it just made a pre-existing condition more noticeable. That however just gets us kind of into a chicken-egg situation of whether the mental condition would have had much impact without the ingestion of the drug. In any case, this is understandably an incredibly grey area. That said, psilocybin definitely has an effect that lasts at least a few months after ingestion and some effects that last a lifetime as far as I can tell. In my case the shorter-acting effect is overwhelmingly positive, and the longer-lasting effect is mixed, but I don't really regret it. I can easily imagine this having a large contributing factor to my current condition and is one of the reasons why I warn people before taking psychedelic drugs. It has the potential for impacting your life and perspective in ways you can not even begin to predict, and I cannot emphasize enough how much you can not assume that all the changes will be positive. I suffer from an anxiety disorder that seems to be passed genetically, and this has caused some after effects of hallucinogens, especially the ones affecting my perception, to become VERY uncomfortable. The problem that I have though is that psilocybin is also, in my experience, an incredibly effective countermeasure against anxiety and depression. It gives you the ability especially to change your behavior in very radical ways which can be essential in breaking the vicious cycle that anxiety and depression often is. My opinion on the matter is that there is definitely great potential here, but it is not to be taken lightly. I believe psilocybin has amazing potential, but it needs to be researched and its effects observed as scientifically as possible before we have uninformed people (like younger me) ingesting it without taking the proper precautions and being aware of the possible negative effects.
- howlgarnish 6y agoThis article seems like wild speculation, while this team in Denmark says they've already done it: https://newatlas.com/science/psilocybin-synthesis-yeast-bacteria/ https://newatlas.com/science/psilocybin-synthesis-yeast-bact... ...using boring old yeast, not GMO kombucha!
- peterlk 6y agoAny yeast that produces psilocybin is GMO unless there is some yeast in nature that naturally produces it. The article you link uses GMO yeast
- Nursie 6y agoThe article linked here is talking about using gene-editing to create a kombucha culture that can produce it too.
- blonde_ocean 6y agoI exited out when the authors claimed that “kombucha provides good set and setting.”
- dkdbejwi383 6y agoI wonder how this will play with drug laws in various jurisdictions? AIUI, in some (most?) places the mushrooms themselves are banned, not the psilocybin compound itself.
- filoeleven 6y agoIn the US, it’s explicitly psilocybin (and maybe psilocin too) that is federally banned. This is why you can still legally buy spores of the mushrooms that contain it: the compound does not exist in the spores. This is almost certainly due to an oversight when the law was written. Legality is weird. In the Netherlands, over 100 species of psilocybin-containing mushrooms were banned. But the law there bans only the fruiting bodies, it does not ban other parts of the organism. A few species form truffles—a sterile mycelia mass for energy storage, kind of like its version of a potato—that still contain psilocybin. Those can still be legally bought, probably because of a similar oversight in the law.
- TomJansen 6y agoWhat is the advantage of Kombucha to just only modifying the yeast and culturing that? Is it because the Kombucha is more easy to culture?
- JacobSuperslav 6y agoYes kombucha is extremely easy, and shrooms are pretty hard (the need for sterilization of equipment and timing things)
- stuaxo 6y agoSo who's actually going to make this happen ?