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I have no use for this service but i definitely like your text centered websites. Right to the point, no disturbing and useless images or graphics. Thanks, that

I have no use for this service but i definitely like your text centered websites. Right to the point, no disturbing and useless images or graphics. Thanks, that was a breath of a fresh air. Also this https://radious.co/philosophy.txt https://radious.co/philosophy.txt I wish such design was usable outside tech community.

surajs 6y ago
A very backend developers philosophy of front end, not sure I agree though it sounds like generally good advice
HatchedLake721 6y ago
Why do you believe anyone outside tech community would value a text only 90's vibe websites?
- mmahemoff 6y ago
  The ZFS site is more of a man page vibe to me, rather than retro/90s per se, as it's using some basic bold/underline and not just a pure ASCII doc. Maybe it's just designed for expedience, but I think it's a perfect fit for a service like this.
- swiley 6y ago
  It implies they're trying to communicate with you rather than manipulate you.
  - HatchedLake721 6y ago
    -_- really? Industrial, UX and UI designers are manipulators now? Is Jony Ive the head manipulator? There are more ways to communicate than a black and white wall of text. One of them is called language of design. That's why designers use visual language to communicate with their users.
    - swiley 6y ago
      Sorry, I didn't mean to say that all design was manipulative. It's so often abused to hide manipulation though I'd rather just go without and I know I'm not alone.
    - strobe 6y ago
      > UX and UI designers are manipulators now? of course not, but usually web pages creation is driven by marketing, so in most cases "sell" stuff has much more priority than actual UX/UI. So usually UX scarified for marketing needs (even UX and UI designers gains that).
    - layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
      >Industrial, UX and UI designers are manipulators now Yes. When their hands are guided by PMs and marketing managers they are more often than not.
- jl6 6y ago
  Who outside the tech community is in the market for a remote ZFS snapshot send/receive target?
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - shawxe 6y ago
    Slam dunk response. This is exactly my problem with how so many developer tools and services are branded. Just give it to me plain, please.
- ddevault 6y ago
  Why do you believe anyone outside tech community would value an SPA?
- slmjkdbtl 6y ago
  I actually have seen some artists use this aesthetics, but on the top of my head I can only think of Vulfpeck's site [0] [0] https://vulfpeck.com/ https://vulfpeck.com/
  - Bluestein 6y ago
    PSA: Folks, if you have not seen them at Madison Square Garden, you should :) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv4wf7bzfFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv4wf7bzfFE
user-the-name 6y ago
I find this site much, much less useful than your average image-heavy marketing website. It completely fails to explain, in simple, general terms, what the hell it is or why I should care. The first, most prominent item on the page is some numbers that mean nothing to me. The second item says this is beta, which I don't care about since I don't know what this is. The third items claims to be the "purpose", which is exactly what I want to know, but the one and only piece of information is a weird command line that, again, means nothing to me. The fourth item tries to explain what this is, but just goes into a lot of detail when I am still wondering what this is for. I still don't really know.
- moritonal 6y ago
  Scammers dumb their emails down to filter their audience to people that don't notice. There's a chance that this service is deliberately makes no sense to you because they don't want you as a customer. This isn't to sound mean! It took a few reads to make sense to me as well.
  - biryani_chicken 6y ago
    It works both ways, you don't waste their time if you are not going to be a customer, they don't waste your time if you don't really need their service.
- est31 6y ago
  I think the target market is technologically minded people who have servers at home but want a backup in case their house burns down/gets flooded/etc. You can probably also run things like nextcloud from it.
  - user-the-name 6y ago
    Why not tell people that, then?
    - detaro 6y ago
Aldipower 6y ago
I like the text centered layout too, but in general I have a problem with sites not having a "legal notice", giving me a quick overview who is behind the site and service. In Germany a "legal notice" is enforced by law and this is a good thing.
- amadeuspagel 6y ago
  > In Germany a "legal notice" is enforced by law and this is a good thing. You are free to ignore sites without a legal notice if you have a problem with them, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to stay anonymous.
  - jmkerr 6y ago
    There is no reason for a reputable professional data center operator to stay anonymous and not disclose a business mailing address or applicable jurisdiction. But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data to an anonymous website that was created this morning.
    - amadeuspagel 6y ago
      I'm discussing the law in germany, which does not just apply to professional data center operators but to every site owner.
      - Aeolun 6y ago
        I have a very strong suspicion that’s nowhere near enforced to any reasonable degree of effectiveness for private individuals.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
    - vmception 6y ago
      > There is no reason for a reputable professional I heard the same thing about private WHOIS data a decade ago, and this year, despite all registrars offering WHOIS privacy by default and most for free. I don't think your point is valid. > But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data Exactly, let the market do whatever it wants. And of course I don't mind you discussing your own predilections and why you wouldn't use it, but the broad blanket statement is just naive and too simplistic.
toiletfuneral 6y ago
"Aesthetics are second-class to usability" Yeah I agree, and in that spirit maybe remove text underline from things that aren't links and reduce the number of different font sizes....anti-aesthetics aren't just more usable because of attitude.
slmjkdbtl 6y ago
"Aesthetics are second-class to usability" but plain text is better than 99% website's aesthetics, most people just have no idea how to design anything. I think plain text belongs to "outsider art", where a lot of people practicing don't even notice how visually appealing it is (when done right).

surajs 6y ago

A very backend developers philosophy of front end, not sure I agree though it sounds like generally good advice

HatchedLake721 6y ago

Why do you believe anyone outside tech community would value a text only 90's vibe websites?

mmahemoff 6y ago
The ZFS site is more of a man page vibe to me, rather than retro/90s per se, as it's using some basic bold/underline and not just a pure ASCII doc. Maybe it's just designed for expedience, but I think it's a perfect fit for a service like this.
swiley 6y ago
It implies they're trying to communicate with you rather than manipulate you.
- HatchedLake721 6y ago
  -_- really? Industrial, UX and UI designers are manipulators now? Is Jony Ive the head manipulator? There are more ways to communicate than a black and white wall of text. One of them is called language of design. That's why designers use visual language to communicate with their users.
  - swiley 6y ago
    Sorry, I didn't mean to say that all design was manipulative. It's so often abused to hide manipulation though I'd rather just go without and I know I'm not alone.
  - strobe 6y ago
    > UX and UI designers are manipulators now? of course not, but usually web pages creation is driven by marketing, so in most cases "sell" stuff has much more priority than actual UX/UI. So usually UX scarified for marketing needs (even UX and UI designers gains that).
  - layoutIfNeeded 6y ago
    >Industrial, UX and UI designers are manipulators now Yes. When their hands are guided by PMs and marketing managers they are more often than not.
jl6 6y ago
Who outside the tech community is in the market for a remote ZFS snapshot send/receive target?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- shawxe 6y ago
  Slam dunk response. This is exactly my problem with how so many developer tools and services are branded. Just give it to me plain, please.
ddevault 6y ago
Why do you believe anyone outside tech community would value an SPA?
slmjkdbtl 6y ago
I actually have seen some artists use this aesthetics, but on the top of my head I can only think of Vulfpeck's site [0] [0] https://vulfpeck.com/ https://vulfpeck.com/
- Bluestein 6y ago
  PSA: Folks, if you have not seen them at Madison Square Garden, you should :) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv4wf7bzfFE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv4wf7bzfFE

user-the-name 6y ago

I find this site much, much less useful than your average image-heavy marketing website. It completely fails to explain, in simple, general terms, what the hell it is or why I should care. The first, most prominent item on the page is some numbers that mean nothing to me. The second item says this is beta, which I don't care about since I don't know what this is. The third items claims to be the "purpose", which is exactly what I want to know, but the one and only piece of information is a weird command line that, again, means nothing to me. The fourth item tries to explain what this is, but just goes into a lot of detail when I am still wondering what this is for. I still don't really know.

moritonal 6y ago
Scammers dumb their emails down to filter their audience to people that don't notice. There's a chance that this service is deliberately makes no sense to you because they don't want you as a customer. This isn't to sound mean! It took a few reads to make sense to me as well.
- biryani_chicken 6y ago
  It works both ways, you don't waste their time if you are not going to be a customer, they don't waste your time if you don't really need their service.
est31 6y ago
I think the target market is technologically minded people who have servers at home but want a backup in case their house burns down/gets flooded/etc. You can probably also run things like nextcloud from it.
- user-the-name 6y ago
  Why not tell people that, then?
  - detaro 6y ago

Aldipower 6y ago

I like the text centered layout too, but in general I have a problem with sites not having a "legal notice", giving me a quick overview who is behind the site and service. In Germany a "legal notice" is enforced by law and this is a good thing.

amadeuspagel 6y ago
> In Germany a "legal notice" is enforced by law and this is a good thing. You are free to ignore sites without a legal notice if you have a problem with them, but there are plenty of legitimate reasons to stay anonymous.
- jmkerr 6y ago
  There is no reason for a reputable professional data center operator to stay anonymous and not disclose a business mailing address or applicable jurisdiction. But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data to an anonymous website that was created this morning.
  - amadeuspagel 6y ago
    I'm discussing the law in germany, which does not just apply to professional data center operators but to every site owner.
    - Aeolun 6y ago
      I have a very strong suspicion that’s nowhere near enforced to any reasonable degree of effectiveness for private individuals.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - vmception 6y ago
    > There is no reason for a reputable professional I heard the same thing about private WHOIS data a decade ago, and this year, despite all registrars offering WHOIS privacy by default and most for free. I don't think your point is valid. > But then again, you are free to upload 8TB of your data Exactly, let the market do whatever it wants. And of course I don't mind you discussing your own predilections and why you wouldn't use it, but the broad blanket statement is just naive and too simplistic.

toiletfuneral 6y ago

"Aesthetics are second-class to usability" Yeah I agree, and in that spirit maybe remove text underline from things that aren't links and reduce the number of different font sizes....anti-aesthetics aren't just more usable because of attitude.

slmjkdbtl 6y ago

"Aesthetics are second-class to usability" but plain text is better than 99% website's aesthetics, most people just have no idea how to design anything. I think plain text belongs to "outsider art", where a lot of people practicing don't even notice how visually appealing it is (when done right).