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As much as I would like to see this happen, I don't think it is going to happen this time around either... or ever. We've seen this movie before. Minds, Gab, P

As much as I would like to see this happen, I don't think it is going to happen this time around either... or ever. We've seen this movie before. Minds, Gab, Patreon alternatives, Voat, all of this has been done with no success. Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy. I think the new model is to do it secretly in closed groups away from the public, preferably local groups where you meet with people in person, have strict rules and only sign up new users via strong referrals: family members, close friends etc. Once some of them work well, they can be franchised. A very good example of this is Freemasonry. Yes, such social networks will be much slower and decentralized but they will be much more effective and better for the members long-term.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago
> Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy. Can you explain what you mean by this? I wouldn't have thought that the average user of social media had that many enemies, but i could be wrong.
- ohgodplsno 6y ago
  Especially considering that all of these failed not because they were infiltrated by "the left", but because they're now a haven for literal nazis.
  - AntiImperialist 6y ago
    Agent provocateurs are used to supress online communities just like they're used to supress physical protests. In fact, one can do much more damage to an online community, specially if it can have anonymous users.
    - watwut 6y ago
      I guess then, Twitter and such Mahe better job of keeping agent provocateur in check?
    - pjc50 6y ago
      True, but this is far more often directed against the left.
pjc50 6y ago
> Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy. This is a hell of a take on free speech. > Freemasonry Ah, by "enemy" do you just mean "women and Catholics?"
deadalus 6y ago
Patreon alternative Subscribestar is absolutely huge with many big-name content creators using it.
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  The problem is that all the alternatives are open to the same line of attacks that the current platforms are. The people who run the platforms directly or those who help them operate via partnerships, investments, can be threatened, bought or invited to the current equivalent of the Epstein's island... and they'll eventually have to get in line. The current assumption that these tech companies work the way they do because of the ideology of people who own them or work for them is either very incomplete or completely flawed.

disgruntledphd2 6y ago

> Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy. Can you explain what you mean by this? I wouldn't have thought that the average user of social media had that many enemies, but i could be wrong.

ohgodplsno 6y ago
Especially considering that all of these failed not because they were infiltrated by "the left", but because they're now a haven for literal nazis.
- AntiImperialist 6y ago
  Agent provocateurs are used to supress online communities just like they're used to supress physical protests. In fact, one can do much more damage to an online community, specially if it can have anonymous users.
  - watwut 6y ago
    I guess then, Twitter and such Mahe better job of keeping agent provocateur in check?
  - pjc50 6y ago
    True, but this is far more often directed against the left.

pjc50 6y ago

> Whatever you open to the public will be infiltrated by the enemy. This is a hell of a take on free speech. > Freemasonry Ah, by "enemy" do you just mean "women and Catholics?"

deadalus 6y ago

Patreon alternative Subscribestar is absolutely huge with many big-name content creators using it.

AntiImperialist 6y ago
The problem is that all the alternatives are open to the same line of attacks that the current platforms are. The people who run the platforms directly or those who help them operate via partnerships, investments, can be threatened, bought or invited to the current equivalent of the Epstein's island... and they'll eventually have to get in line. The current assumption that these tech companies work the way they do because of the ideology of people who own them or work for them is either very incomplete or completely flawed.