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There is a bit more detail here if mods want to change the link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/nearly-one-in-five-covid-patients-later-diagnose

There is a bit more detail here if mods want to change the link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/nearly-one-in-five-covid-patients-later-diagnosed-with-mental-illness-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/10/nearly-one-in-... Looks like the data is from: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30462-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0... To be clear, this does not demonstrate that Covid infection causes mental illness from a neurological perspective.

fulafel 6y ago
Thanks. This data is from the USA, it would be interesting to compare to countries with free healthcare.
- devxpy 6y ago
  And those that didn't have an active civil rights movement erupting in the midst of it.
  - bawolff 6y ago
    You're being downvoted, but I think that's a reasonable point... I don't live in the USA, but given everything that's going on there, I would be pretty stressed if I did.
- creativityEng 6y ago
  Hyperbole is against the rules here. You should refer to it as tax funded healthcare. As a note I'm not against healthcare reform, but it's against the HN rules.
  - godelzilla 6y ago
    Like how the current system is called casino funded healthcare?
  - tdfx 6y ago
    Ironically the US already has tax funded healthcare, but only the most active voting block (old people) receive it.
    - anoonmoose 6y ago
      Military, too.
      - kube-system 6y ago
        And poor people through Medicaid and CHIP. Native Americans have access to a full blown government hospital system not unlike UK's NHS. In fact, the US has three times as many government-run hospital systems than most countries, and several times the number of government insurance programs. That's part of the problem. :)
- jtdev 6y ago
  What... Obamacare was supposed to fix all of the USA healthcare problems.
  - craftinator 6y ago
    Dead.
  - recursive 6y ago
    Indeed, but it was substantially reduced from the original vision.
    - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
      Classic republican move: defund something until it fails, and then go, "See? It was doomed to fail anyway. Now privatize or kill it."
- mfer 6y ago
  It would also be interesting to see what it's like in countries with different news coverage styles. Fear is a tactic used in the US to keep eyes glued to new media.
  - capableweb 6y ago
    In what countries doesn't the media thrive off fear and sensation?
    - dboreham 6y ago
      All other countries seem to do this less than the USA. Degree varies of course.
      - gentleman11 6y ago
        Even Russia, China, and North Korea?
      - soulofmischief 6y ago
        Even Syria, Turkey, Qatar, Nigeria?
  - mistermann 6y ago
    >> To be clear, this does not demonstrate that Covid infection causes mental illness from a neurological perspective. > It would also be interesting to see what it's like in countries with different news coverage styles. Fear is a tactic used in the US to keep eyes glued to new media. I think that's likely a non-significant part of it. As the saying goes, "Perception is reality" (which is demonstrated in phenomena like the placebo effect, or widespread beliefs in theories like QAnon or RussiaGate) - if so, it shouldn't be terribly surprising that a person who subjects their mind to large quantities of subjective "Coronavirus!!!!!!!" "journalism" would have a genuinely different reaction than that of someone who only exposed their mind to objective statistics.
sradman 6y ago
From The Guardian: > “Equally, it’s not at all implausible that Covid-19 might have some direct effect on your brain and your mental health. But I think that, again, remains to be positively demonstrated,” said Harrison. > A particularly concerning finding was the doubling of the diagnosis of dementia – which is typically irreversible – three months after testing positive for Covid-19, versus the other health conditions. COVID-19 is primarily a respiratory disease but the number of gastrointestinal infections is still significant. There appears to be a causal link between various dementias and the Gut-Brain Axis [1] so it is plausible that some of the long-hauler symptoms are specific to gastrointestinal changes/damage. It might be useful to compare the incidence of dementia in people suffering from chronic gastritis in addition to injuries and other respiratory infections. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut–brain_axis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut–brain_axis
- KittenInABox 6y ago
  Do you have more information on gastrointestinal COVID-19? I haven't really heard this before and I'm super interested if it has different symptoms/different long term consequences. I've heard of stuff like brain fog; could that be a result?
  - sradman 6y ago
    > Approximately half of patients reported one or more GI symptoms; among these, diarrhea was reported most frequently (38%) and vomiting least frequently (13%). [1] The original 2003 SARS-1 outbreak in Hong Kong infamously spread via sewage in a single building with faulty plumbing floor traps [2]. Wastewater surveillance has also been proposed and/or implemented in many jurisdictions [3]. I think poor sleep due to discomfort and/or anxiety is just as likely to cause brain fog in the short-term and mental illness over the long-term but irreversible dementia seems to require an additional explanation, in my opinion. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928a2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928a2.htm [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoy_Gardens#SARS_outbreak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoy_Gardens#SARS_outbreak [3] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/wastewater-surveillance/developing-a-wastewater-surveillance-sampling-strategy.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/wast...

fulafel 6y ago

Thanks. This data is from the USA, it would be interesting to compare to countries with free healthcare.

devxpy 6y ago
And those that didn't have an active civil rights movement erupting in the midst of it.
- bawolff 6y ago
  You're being downvoted, but I think that's a reasonable point... I don't live in the USA, but given everything that's going on there, I would be pretty stressed if I did.
creativityEng 6y ago
Hyperbole is against the rules here. You should refer to it as tax funded healthcare. As a note I'm not against healthcare reform, but it's against the HN rules.
- godelzilla 6y ago
  Like how the current system is called casino funded healthcare?
- tdfx 6y ago
  Ironically the US already has tax funded healthcare, but only the most active voting block (old people) receive it.
  - anoonmoose 6y ago
    Military, too.
    - kube-system 6y ago
      And poor people through Medicaid and CHIP. Native Americans have access to a full blown government hospital system not unlike UK's NHS. In fact, the US has three times as many government-run hospital systems than most countries, and several times the number of government insurance programs. That's part of the problem. :)
jtdev 6y ago
What... Obamacare was supposed to fix all of the USA healthcare problems.
- craftinator 6y ago
  Dead.
- recursive 6y ago
  Indeed, but it was substantially reduced from the original vision.
  - shrimp_emoji 6y ago
    Classic republican move: defund something until it fails, and then go, "See? It was doomed to fail anyway. Now privatize or kill it."
mfer 6y ago
It would also be interesting to see what it's like in countries with different news coverage styles. Fear is a tactic used in the US to keep eyes glued to new media.
- capableweb 6y ago
  In what countries doesn't the media thrive off fear and sensation?
  - dboreham 6y ago
    All other countries seem to do this less than the USA. Degree varies of course.
    - gentleman11 6y ago
      Even Russia, China, and North Korea?
    - soulofmischief 6y ago
      Even Syria, Turkey, Qatar, Nigeria?
- mistermann 6y ago
  >> To be clear, this does not demonstrate that Covid infection causes mental illness from a neurological perspective. > It would also be interesting to see what it's like in countries with different news coverage styles. Fear is a tactic used in the US to keep eyes glued to new media. I think that's likely a non-significant part of it. As the saying goes, "Perception is reality" (which is demonstrated in phenomena like the placebo effect, or widespread beliefs in theories like QAnon or RussiaGate) - if so, it shouldn't be terribly surprising that a person who subjects their mind to large quantities of subjective "Coronavirus!!!!!!!" "journalism" would have a genuinely different reaction than that of someone who only exposed their mind to objective statistics.

sradman 6y ago

From The Guardian: > “Equally, it’s not at all implausible that Covid-19 might have some direct effect on your brain and your mental health. But I think that, again, remains to be positively demonstrated,” said Harrison. > A particularly concerning finding was the doubling of the diagnosis of dementia – which is typically irreversible – three months after testing positive for Covid-19, versus the other health conditions. COVID-19 is primarily a respiratory disease but the number of gastrointestinal infections is still significant. There appears to be a causal link between various dementias and the Gut-Brain Axis [1] so it is plausible that some of the long-hauler symptoms are specific to gastrointestinal changes/damage. It might be useful to compare the incidence of dementia in people suffering from chronic gastritis in addition to injuries and other respiratory infections. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut–brain_axis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut–brain_axis

KittenInABox 6y ago
Do you have more information on gastrointestinal COVID-19? I haven't really heard this before and I'm super interested if it has different symptoms/different long term consequences. I've heard of stuff like brain fog; could that be a result?
- sradman 6y ago
  > Approximately half of patients reported one or more GI symptoms; among these, diarrhea was reported most frequently (38%) and vomiting least frequently (13%). [1] The original 2003 SARS-1 outbreak in Hong Kong infamously spread via sewage in a single building with faulty plumbing floor traps [2]. Wastewater surveillance has also been proposed and/or implemented in many jurisdictions [3]. I think poor sleep due to discomfort and/or anxiety is just as likely to cause brain fog in the short-term and mental illness over the long-term but irreversible dementia seems to require an additional explanation, in my opinion. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928a2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928a2.htm [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoy_Gardens#SARS_outbreak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoy_Gardens#SARS_outbreak [3] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/wastewater-surveillance/developing-a-wastewater-surveillance-sampling-strategy.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/wast...