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His inaction and obfuscation caused thousands and thousands of people to die from COVID. He publicly condoned shooting unarmed protesters, and let his DOJ kidn

His inaction and obfuscation caused thousands and thousands of people to die from COVID. He publicly condoned shooting unarmed protesters, and let his DOJ kidnap people in unmarked vans. He left the Paris climate accords. These are catastrophic.

newacct583 6y ago
For seven weeks in 2017 it was the official policy of our government to remove migrant children of all ages from their parents and house them in a cage. Even now the inevitable bureaucratic messups have lost some of these kids; it's possible these families will literally never be whole again. Everyone has their own horrors I guess, but this was what did it for me.
- z3ncyberpunk 6y ago
  But not the murder of innocent civilians from obama and bidens massively expanded drone bombings right? That never triggered you at all
- whatanattitude 6y ago
  Obama started this.
  - mumblemumble 6y ago
    https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/... > The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent." > Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added. That's not to say that the Obama administration didn't do some other cruel things to migrant families in an effort to deter them. Some of which got smacked back down by the courts, too. But separating families as a matter of policy was not one of those policies.
    - deadbeef123 6y ago
      Where are the families in these photos from the Obama administration? https://apnews.com/article/a98f26f7c9424b44b7fa927ea1acd4d4 https://apnews.com/article/a98f26f7c9424b44b7fa927ea1acd4d4
LordHumungous 6y ago
Total nonsense. Europe has just as many if not more cases. The idea that another president would have made any difference is pure wishful thinking.
- epistasis 6y ago
  There are many countries that have completely contained COVID, on multiple continents. It is not "wishful thinking" to follow in the footsteps of many other countries. If we could do as well as the African countries that we assisted with past Ebola outbreaks, we would have saved so many lives.
  - LordHumungous 6y ago
    Great I can't wait for Biden to stop it.
    - epistasis 6y ago
      To stop the virus, we need to treat it as a bigger enemy than we do each other. And it may be too late now, the easy time to stop it was at the beginning, when it would have taken far less mobilization and resources. Now, no matter how hard we clamp down it will remain in pockets. I do not believe that Biden is capable of enacting any policy that will lead to the (simple) social behaviors that can stop the disease in its tracks. He can do some policy on the edges. But if we do stop the virus, it won't be because of Biden, it will be because of the actions of a huge number of people, across the political spectrum, and a grand unification of people. We will need to build a massive virus stopping machine, and such projects are never the result of one person, anymore than the space shuttle being attributable to a single person. I think it's possible, but I do not think it's likely.
      - rangoon626 6y ago
        I really don't get this constant "he didn't do anything" and "it's too late" talking points. Nancy Pelosi was walking around Chinatown in SF after it was well known that there was an outbreak going on overseas. The NYC department of health advised that it was perfectly safe to attend Chinese New Year celebrations shortly after. When POTUS stopped international travel earlier than the media decided it was a legitimate issue, his political opponents called him a racist. Then you'll argue, "but but the nyc outbreaks trace to Europe!!" And I'll argue back that China has industrial factories in Italy, and ask you how the virus got to Italy/Europe in the first place. And you still won't get it. It's like the left just constant ignores common sense and hides behind reddit-teir "you got a source for that" nerdery. All of this happened less than a year ago. It is well within living memory.
7thaccount 6y ago
You left out being impeached for blackmailing a friendly country for military aid so they would dig up dirt on his rival. Also, gutting federal agencies like the EPA, silencing reports from national labs which were critical of the coal industry, and installing Dejoy as head of the Postal Service who immediately had mail equipment destroyed directly before an election which was known to most likely have large amounts of mail in ballots. Not to mention Dejoy has large stock in companies that would profit from the destruction of the Postal Service. Edit: forgot to say numerous people close to him and his campaign have gone to jail. Steve Bannon, Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone...etc.
- platz 6y ago
  What do you think of what happened with the Steele Dossier?
  - hackinthebochs 6y ago
    A better question: what do you think happened with the Steele Dossier? A campaign funding opposition research isn't a problem. That the Dossier may or may not have lead to a legitimate intelligence case being opened against a Trump associate also isn't a problem. John McCain hand delivered it to the FBI. There is no fruit of the poisoned tree here.
    - platz 6y ago
      That you don't see that something is wrong when an intelligence agency fabricates fake evidence in order to advance a political agenda against other parts of it's own government is chilling.
      - hackinthebochs 6y ago
        >fabricates fake evidence Source? Sounds like conspiratorial nonsense.
        6y ago
mleonhard 6y ago
Trump destroyed the United States' Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia. Without the treaty, Russia and USA can make as many nuclear bombs as they want, as long as they say they will only use them on intermediate-range missiles. This single action by Trump imperils all of humanity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_For... https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/02/what-does-the-demise-of-the-i-n-f-treaty-mean-for-nuclear-arms-control-intermediate-nuclear-forces-new-start-strategic-arms-limitation-nonproliferation-trump-russia-arms-control-explained/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/02/what-does-the-demise-of...

newacct583 6y ago

For seven weeks in 2017 it was the official policy of our government to remove migrant children of all ages from their parents and house them in a cage. Even now the inevitable bureaucratic messups have lost some of these kids; it's possible these families will literally never be whole again. Everyone has their own horrors I guess, but this was what did it for me.

z3ncyberpunk 6y ago
But not the murder of innocent civilians from obama and bidens massively expanded drone bombings right? That never triggered you at all
whatanattitude 6y ago
Obama started this.
- mumblemumble 6y ago
  https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/fact-check-did-obama-administration-separate-families-n884856 https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/immigration-border-crisis/... > The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent." > Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added. That's not to say that the Obama administration didn't do some other cruel things to migrant families in an effort to deter them. Some of which got smacked back down by the courts, too. But separating families as a matter of policy was not one of those policies.
  - deadbeef123 6y ago
    Where are the families in these photos from the Obama administration? https://apnews.com/article/a98f26f7c9424b44b7fa927ea1acd4d4 https://apnews.com/article/a98f26f7c9424b44b7fa927ea1acd4d4

LordHumungous 6y ago

Total nonsense. Europe has just as many if not more cases. The idea that another president would have made any difference is pure wishful thinking.

epistasis 6y ago
There are many countries that have completely contained COVID, on multiple continents. It is not "wishful thinking" to follow in the footsteps of many other countries. If we could do as well as the African countries that we assisted with past Ebola outbreaks, we would have saved so many lives.
- LordHumungous 6y ago
  Great I can't wait for Biden to stop it.
  - epistasis 6y ago
    To stop the virus, we need to treat it as a bigger enemy than we do each other. And it may be too late now, the easy time to stop it was at the beginning, when it would have taken far less mobilization and resources. Now, no matter how hard we clamp down it will remain in pockets. I do not believe that Biden is capable of enacting any policy that will lead to the (simple) social behaviors that can stop the disease in its tracks. He can do some policy on the edges. But if we do stop the virus, it won't be because of Biden, it will be because of the actions of a huge number of people, across the political spectrum, and a grand unification of people. We will need to build a massive virus stopping machine, and such projects are never the result of one person, anymore than the space shuttle being attributable to a single person. I think it's possible, but I do not think it's likely.
    - rangoon626 6y ago
      I really don't get this constant "he didn't do anything" and "it's too late" talking points. Nancy Pelosi was walking around Chinatown in SF after it was well known that there was an outbreak going on overseas. The NYC department of health advised that it was perfectly safe to attend Chinese New Year celebrations shortly after. When POTUS stopped international travel earlier than the media decided it was a legitimate issue, his political opponents called him a racist. Then you'll argue, "but but the nyc outbreaks trace to Europe!!" And I'll argue back that China has industrial factories in Italy, and ask you how the virus got to Italy/Europe in the first place. And you still won't get it. It's like the left just constant ignores common sense and hides behind reddit-teir "you got a source for that" nerdery. All of this happened less than a year ago. It is well within living memory.

7thaccount 6y ago

You left out being impeached for blackmailing a friendly country for military aid so they would dig up dirt on his rival. Also, gutting federal agencies like the EPA, silencing reports from national labs which were critical of the coal industry, and installing Dejoy as head of the Postal Service who immediately had mail equipment destroyed directly before an election which was known to most likely have large amounts of mail in ballots. Not to mention Dejoy has large stock in companies that would profit from the destruction of the Postal Service. Edit: forgot to say numerous people close to him and his campaign have gone to jail. Steve Bannon, Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone...etc.

platz 6y ago
What do you think of what happened with the Steele Dossier?
- hackinthebochs 6y ago
  A better question: what do you think happened with the Steele Dossier? A campaign funding opposition research isn't a problem. That the Dossier may or may not have lead to a legitimate intelligence case being opened against a Trump associate also isn't a problem. John McCain hand delivered it to the FBI. There is no fruit of the poisoned tree here.
  - platz 6y ago
    That you don't see that something is wrong when an intelligence agency fabricates fake evidence in order to advance a political agenda against other parts of it's own government is chilling.
    - hackinthebochs 6y ago
      >fabricates fake evidence Source? Sounds like conspiratorial nonsense.
      - 6y ago

mleonhard 6y ago

Trump destroyed the United States' Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty with Russia. Without the treaty, Russia and USA can make as many nuclear bombs as they want, as long as they say they will only use them on intermediate-range missiles. This single action by Trump imperils all of humanity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_For... https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/02/what-does-the-demise-of-the-i-n-f-treaty-mean-for-nuclear-arms-control-intermediate-nuclear-forces-new-start-strategic-arms-limitation-nonproliferation-trump-russia-arms-control-explained/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/08/02/what-does-the-demise-of...