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Whats next iphones only opening approved websites? EDIT: While that seems super sarcastic. Consider this: Game streaming services are in the end just a gateway

Whats next iphones only opening approved websites? EDIT: While that seems super sarcastic. Consider this: Game streaming services are in the end just a gateway app to games, in the same way the browser is a gateway to the internet. Furthermore apple already did hinder "browserish" gateways, like apps which are a gateway to more ergonomically reading word-press blogs or message apps which where gateways to a federated "internet of messaging".

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
It honestly does not seem very far fetched especially given recent fortnite news ( https://www.slashgear.com/fortnite-iphone-workaround-may-bypass-apple-thanks-to-nvidia-05645906/ https://www.slashgear.com/fortnite-iphone-workaround-may-byp... ).
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- selsta 6y ago
  Apple encourages streaming services to use Safari: https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-pwa-apple-173948922.html https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-...
pjc50 6y ago
They'd try that if they thought they could get away with it.
threeseed 6y ago
App Store has been around for over a decade with largely the same rules. It is their platform and ultimately they have a right to determine what apps they do or do not approve. Whether it's streaming or not is completely irrelevant.
- hu3 6y ago
  And we have the right to criticise rules.
simonh 6y ago
There’s a simple consistent principle in operation. If an app is simply a neutral front end to a distributed set of independent back end services that are not managed by the owner of the app, then the app owner is not responsible for the content. Web browsers clearly match this description as the browser developer isn’t responsible for all the web sites you could visit. But it also applies to email clients, Mastodon clients, arguably even podcast clients and many more. If the client app is only used to access content also owned, curated or managed by the client app vendor, then the client app vendor is on the hook for that content. Audible falls in this category, even though it’s superficially similar to a podcast app, because the app client vendor also owns or curates all the content. Sure there are some odd edge cases, but games streaming services pretty clearly fall into this category, and not the same category as web browsers.
- simion314 6y ago
  So what if somehow you implement the gaming service to work inside a browser? What is your opinion?
  - the_other 6y ago
    I’d use a browser.
  - musicale 6y ago
    > So what if somehow you implement the gaming service to work inside a browser? What is your opinion? You mean like Amazon's Luna game streaming service, which will run in Safari as Apple worked with them to provide the necessary support in webkit?
  - bilbo0s 6y ago
    The owner of the gaming service is still curating the content available through that service. It's not like simply running the service through the browser allows any and every game to be on the service. Game devs for instance, would still need to negotiate with the owners of the game service in order to have their game available on the service. Might even need to pay the game service?
random5634 6y ago
Don’t they already do this to block access to domains they think may be negative for user experience? I think chrome does this for phishing sites, malware sites? If not they should consider something like googles blocks
burnte 6y ago
Why do individual games need to be approved but not individual movies in movie streaming services? I think clearly we need to ban movie apps until every program has been vetted.
- dpkonofa 6y ago
  That's not necessarily true. The difference is that the streaming services don't have exclusivity on those licenses which is not the case for game services. Additionally, Apple runs its own movie service and allows movies that it has access to screen. The same wouldn't be true for games.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    Netflix and Amazon definitely has exclusivity on their IP which means that there is far more exclusive content on video streaming services than on game streaming services which outside of Microsoft currently which has a few first party exclusives all license content from other publishers - and that content that is available on multiple platforms.
    - dpkonofa 6y ago
      That doesn't matter. Netflix still has to go through the same processes as movie companies regardless if their specific IP is exclusive to their platform. My point was that they don't have exclusivity when it comes to providing that content which is not the case with Microsoft's XCloud, for example. All of that content is only available from Microsoft because every game on the platform has to be licensed by Microsoft.
      - dogma1138 6y ago
        I still don’t see the difference between licensing an IP for video media and licensing the same IP for a video game the process is identical. If it’s rating you talk about then again both of them are rated.
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socmedia99 6y ago
The free market of buyers organized around it as such. So long as your dollar bills need to hold their value too, you know?
kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
I mean the only reason this seems sarcastic is because the web predates the App Store by a few decades and so we are used to the web working this way. If the concept had come up after the App Store had been published, Apple would have done exactly this.
- arvindamirtaa 6y ago
  100%
stale2002 6y ago
> Whats next iphones only opening approved websites? Unironically, I think that this could happen soon. That sounds crazy, but here me out. Pretty recently there was an announcement regarding a streamer service, that would allow people to play Fortnite, from their phone, through a mobile safari So, in order to block fortnite form being played on an iPhone, Apple would literally have to do what you are suggesting.
- Zr40 6y ago
  Except that playing Fortnite isn't the thing that's being disallowed. It just happened to contain an in-app purchase system that did not use the Apple-approved method, and Fortnite's developers refused to remove that. Apple has always clearly stated that this is perfectly fine on websites, just not in apps.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > Except that playing Fortnite isn't the thing that's being disallowed Alright, and fortnite is now going to be playable with in web browser purchases, on the safari web browser pretty soon. So the purchases, without going through Apple, are going to happen on the iPhone, as well as the playing of fortnite on the iPhone. And Apple would have to prevent certain websites, if they wanted to stop those purchases that go outside of Apple's app system.
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- selsta 6y ago
  Apple does encourage streaming apps to use Safari, they even worked together with Amazon to improve Safari for game streaming: https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-pwa-apple-173948922.html https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-... So no, they are not going to block websites.

A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago

It honestly does not seem very far fetched especially given recent fortnite news ( https://www.slashgear.com/fortnite-iphone-workaround-may-bypass-apple-thanks-to-nvidia-05645906/ https://www.slashgear.com/fortnite-iphone-workaround-may-byp... ).

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selsta 6y ago
Apple encourages streaming services to use Safari: https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-pwa-apple-173948922.html https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-...

pjc50 6y ago

They'd try that if they thought they could get away with it.

threeseed 6y ago

App Store has been around for over a decade with largely the same rules. It is their platform and ultimately they have a right to determine what apps they do or do not approve. Whether it's streaming or not is completely irrelevant.

hu3 6y ago
And we have the right to criticise rules.

simonh 6y ago

There’s a simple consistent principle in operation. If an app is simply a neutral front end to a distributed set of independent back end services that are not managed by the owner of the app, then the app owner is not responsible for the content. Web browsers clearly match this description as the browser developer isn’t responsible for all the web sites you could visit. But it also applies to email clients, Mastodon clients, arguably even podcast clients and many more. If the client app is only used to access content also owned, curated or managed by the client app vendor, then the client app vendor is on the hook for that content. Audible falls in this category, even though it’s superficially similar to a podcast app, because the app client vendor also owns or curates all the content. Sure there are some odd edge cases, but games streaming services pretty clearly fall into this category, and not the same category as web browsers.

simion314 6y ago
So what if somehow you implement the gaming service to work inside a browser? What is your opinion?
- the_other 6y ago
  I’d use a browser.
- musicale 6y ago
  > So what if somehow you implement the gaming service to work inside a browser? What is your opinion? You mean like Amazon's Luna game streaming service, which will run in Safari as Apple worked with them to provide the necessary support in webkit?
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  The owner of the gaming service is still curating the content available through that service. It's not like simply running the service through the browser allows any and every game to be on the service. Game devs for instance, would still need to negotiate with the owners of the game service in order to have their game available on the service. Might even need to pay the game service?

random5634 6y ago

Don’t they already do this to block access to domains they think may be negative for user experience? I think chrome does this for phishing sites, malware sites? If not they should consider something like googles blocks

burnte 6y ago

Why do individual games need to be approved but not individual movies in movie streaming services? I think clearly we need to ban movie apps until every program has been vetted.

dpkonofa 6y ago
That's not necessarily true. The difference is that the streaming services don't have exclusivity on those licenses which is not the case for game services. Additionally, Apple runs its own movie service and allows movies that it has access to screen. The same wouldn't be true for games.
- dogma1138 6y ago
  Netflix and Amazon definitely has exclusivity on their IP which means that there is far more exclusive content on video streaming services than on game streaming services which outside of Microsoft currently which has a few first party exclusives all license content from other publishers - and that content that is available on multiple platforms.
  - dpkonofa 6y ago
    That doesn't matter. Netflix still has to go through the same processes as movie companies regardless if their specific IP is exclusive to their platform. My point was that they don't have exclusivity when it comes to providing that content which is not the case with Microsoft's XCloud, for example. All of that content is only available from Microsoft because every game on the platform has to be licensed by Microsoft.
    - dogma1138 6y ago
      I still don’t see the difference between licensing an IP for video media and licensing the same IP for a video game the process is identical. If it’s rating you talk about then again both of them are rated.
    - deleted 6y ago

socmedia99 6y ago

The free market of buyers organized around it as such. So long as your dollar bills need to hold their value too, you know?

kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago

I mean the only reason this seems sarcastic is because the web predates the App Store by a few decades and so we are used to the web working this way. If the concept had come up after the App Store had been published, Apple would have done exactly this.

arvindamirtaa 6y ago
100%

stale2002 6y ago

> Whats next iphones only opening approved websites? Unironically, I think that this could happen soon. That sounds crazy, but here me out. Pretty recently there was an announcement regarding a streamer service, that would allow people to play Fortnite, from their phone, through a mobile safari So, in order to block fortnite form being played on an iPhone, Apple would literally have to do what you are suggesting.

Zr40 6y ago
Except that playing Fortnite isn't the thing that's being disallowed. It just happened to contain an in-app purchase system that did not use the Apple-approved method, and Fortnite's developers refused to remove that. Apple has always clearly stated that this is perfectly fine on websites, just not in apps.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > Except that playing Fortnite isn't the thing that's being disallowed Alright, and fortnite is now going to be playable with in web browser purchases, on the safari web browser pretty soon. So the purchases, without going through Apple, are going to happen on the iPhone, as well as the playing of fortnite on the iPhone. And Apple would have to prevent certain websites, if they wanted to stop those purchases that go outside of Apple's app system.
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selsta 6y ago
Apple does encourage streaming apps to use Safari, they even worked together with Amazon to improve Safari for game streaming: https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-pwa-apple-173948922.html https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-... So no, they are not going to block websites.