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You can support people of color without actively denigrating straight white men. Or, you know, we could stop focusing on race, gender and sexuality so fucking
by eric_b 6y ago
You can support people of color without actively denigrating straight white men.
Or, you know, we could stop focusing on race, gender and sexuality so fucking much.
The most important thing about a person in 2020 is their race it seems. Followed closely by their gender and sexual orientation. That is what needs to change.
- pjc50 6y agoDoes this mean giving up on attempting to prosecute police officers who murder citizens? > The most important thing about a person in 2020 is their race it seems. Followed closely by their gender and sexual orientation All US presidents (until Obama!) have been straight white guys. Was that a coincidence, or was it in fact vitally important in their election?
- hn_throwaway_99 6y ago> Does this mean giving up on attempting to prosecute police officers who murder citizens? I'm not sure how your response there follows at all from the GP's comment of "You can support people of color without actively denigrating straight white men", and indeed I feel like this is a clear example of what I'm thinking about.
- Daishiman 6y agoIt follows because "supporting people of color" is an empty statement if it isn't backed by policies, some of which are quite different from the status quo.
- colinmhayes 6y agoThe truth is you can't support people of color without having straight white men feel denigrated. Because as soon as you support people of color the straight white men show up with tiki torches shouting about how they won't be replaced. Equality is not acceptable for these people.
- tomp 6y agoOr you could just support people instead. Not "Black Lives Matter" but "stop Police Violence". Not "Believe All Women" but "Believe Victims". Not "Affirmative action for non-white non-Asians" but "Affirmative action for the poor" (hint: every discrimination is positive for someone and negative for someone else).
- sgt101 6y agoI'm a straight white man (of a certain age) and support for people of colour doesn't make me feel denigrated... Two points we are not all the same... and really we aren't a we at all!
- colinmhayes 6y agoI mean so am I. Obviously I'm talking about the ones that feel denigrated, which is enough to get Trump elected.
- eric_b 6y agoJoe Biden won the primary because he was the least divisive. White men have no "cards" to play. They can't play the LGBT card, the race card or the gender card - so they by default have the biggest tent. Until we stop with identity politics it will always be this way.
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- pjc50 6y agoBiggest tent that contains only straight white guys? Are you suer that's the biggest possible tent rather than one which contains everyone?
- hn_throwaway_99 6y agoI don't think that's a "debating in good faith" interpretation of the parent comment, which was clearly talking about moving beyond identity politics. That is, if you demand on identity politics, the "identity" that is going to be the biggest is the US for the near future is straight white people. If you really do want the biggest possible tent, as you suggest, we'll likely need to move beyond identity politics.
- Daishiman 6y agoIf you hang out in LGBT and general non-conforming circles, you will realize that the white male position is the societal default, and it is nowhere near neutral - it is assumed to be only by those who have never realized that there are other possible default positions. Some white men are beginning to see that their bubble is breaking.
- secondcoming 6y agoWhat is the 'white male position'? If this argument was moved to, say, Nigeria, would there be a problematic 'black male position' there?
- pvaldes 6y ago> All US presidents have been straight white guys Obama is not white
- pjc50 6y ago.. I can't believe I made that mistake, and the first reply didn't notice.
- Dylan16807 6y agoSometimes simplifying 98% to "all" is valid.