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Use Firefox, people. Brave is shady as hell. I'll use Chrome or Edge long before I use Brave.
by pkulak 6y ago
Use Firefox, people. Brave is shady as hell. I'll use Chrome or Edge long before I use Brave.
- lenitabinol 6y agoplease elaborate
- amitport 6y agoCan you elaborate?
- coolspot 6y agoProbably reference to all crypto-coin related stuff in Brave.
- agumonkey 6y agoEven without the crypto stuff, when I installed it, it felt like an intern first eclipse plugin. Few buttons more, a different help page and that's it. Didn't inspire technical strength and quality.
- pbhjpbhj 6y agoThat's weird, it's pretty indistinguishable from the other browsers for me. Reminds me of a cross between Opera and Firefox. It's run by one of the principle Firefox devs (Eich) and none of the stories about it ripping people off or being insecure appear to have been well founded. I've used all the major browsers, starting with Mosaic and Netscape, was there when FF was phoenix, have been writing websites for 20 years (only a small amount of that time commercially). YMMV but it seems trustworthy, privacy focused, fast enough (ie I can't tell if it's different in performance terms). It's just reskinned Chrome with privacy extensions built in and a system to enable people to try and send micropayments to sites if the sites are signed up. It's not reminiscent of Eclipse in anyway for me (mind Eclipse to me most evokes poor DE integration, I'm a long time KDE user, and having a billion settings). Use the browser that pleases you most though.
- agumonkey 6y agoYes it felt like a reskinned Chrome with a few unfinished parts bolted on. And coming from Eich big new project I thought it would be way more polished.
- BrendanEich 6y agoWhen did you try it?
- hackerfromthefu 6y agoYeah I wonder if most of the Brave allegations (that are usually attached to no actual verifiable facts) are in fact hit pieces on Eich from the bully crowd
- jolmg 6y ago> Brave taking cryptocurrency donations “for me” without my consent https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999
- fuu_dev 6y agoHave fun: https://rudism.com/the-brave-browser-is-brilliant/ https://rudism.com/the-brave-browser-is-brilliant/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23442027 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23442027
- pkulak 6y agoReplacing ads on sites you visit with their ads, wrapped up in a cryptocurrency scheme, like you'd expect from a literal virus, brought to you by a guy too homophobic to be on Mozilla's board. Plus, and I have no evidence of this apart the synchronized hype they do for the browser, but I'm pretty sure Brave is secretly bankrolling those very... political... Linux YouTubers.
- ColanR 6y ago> too homophobic to be on Mozilla's board I do enjoy the irony that Mozilla seems to have gone downhill ever since he left / got kicked out. The people replacing him, IIRC, aren't as knowledgeable or expert as he was. But then, I am somewhat a fan of pure meritocracy.
- BrendanEich 6y agoThanks for your comment. Of course (to reply to downvoted up-comment), we don't and never did "[replace] ads on sites you visit". But when it comes to evil-me, making false claims is justified? Seems so!
- satysin 6y agoDo you have anything to back that up? I ask because I feel the same but don't actually have any proof that things are shady. It is just a feeling which obviously isn't enough to convince others but is enough to put me off using it the few times I've tried. Something about all this 'rewards' stuff just feels dodgy. No idea why I feel this, I probably read something at some point but don't recall now.
- sam0x17 6y agoI've used it for over a year and yeah it's nothing more than a feeling -- experience has just been better than anything else in terms of the default ad blocking. "Disable your ad-blocker" things also leave you alone because they know if you are using Brave you aren't going to budge.
- Qub3d 6y agoThat's not how anti-adblocker banners work, generally. Brave is likely just using the anti-anti-adblocker lists, which uBlock and many others now use, as well. [0]: https://secure.fanboy.co.nz/fanboy-annoyance.txt?a=0 https://secure.fanboy.co.nz/fanboy-annoyance.txt?a=0 [1]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/AdguardTeam/FiltersRegistry/master/filters/filter_14_Annoyances/filter.txt https://raw.githubusercontent.com/AdguardTeam/FiltersRegistr...
- redvenom 6y agoBrave by default collects telemetry data. It is anonymized but any security researcher will tell you that metadata of this nature over time can be more revealing that is claimed. It's right their in their FAQ. Brave's primary customers are advertisers. While this is not evidence in itself, it is certainly something to be wary of.
- dsissitka 6y ago> It's right their in their FAQ. Which FAQ? This appears to be the only FAQ that mentions anonymized data: > Will Brave sell user data to advertisers? > > We do not have access to identifiable user data. The anonymized aggregated ad campaign related data we do collect is used for accounting and reporting, but this data cannot be mapped back to devices or user identities of any kind. Learn more If you follow the "Learn more" link it says: > If you switch on Brave Rewards and switch on ads (in Rewards settings) you will see ad notifications, and will receive BAT to reward you for viewing these ads. It seems like it's off by default?
- 24t 6y agoMicrosoft and Google are proven bad actors. I'm not much of a believer in 'the devil you know'.
- wnevets 6y agoI rather have google track me than infest my machine with cryptominers.
- Karunamon 6y agoThat's not how Brave works.
- Dahoon 6y agoIf it walks like a duck... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18734999
- admax88q 6y agoStill not a cryptominer.
- Karunamon 6y ago"Mining" in the context of crypto has a very specific definition, and Brave doesn't even come close. Mining involves using your computing resources to complete calculations that ensure the security of the blockchain, resulting in a cryptocurrency payout. A company taking money on your behalf without notification, while slimy, isn't mining.
- ReptileMan 6y agoGreat - tell me how to make mouse gestures work on ALL pages - that include new tab page/speed dial and firefox internal and I am sold. Unfortunately I don't think that anything short of messing with the code and rebuilding makes it possible.
- atraac 6y agoYup, I use touchpad a lot and lack of proper gesture support on precision touchpads on Windows makes it unusable to me. To this day all bugs regarding this are open and only chromium based browsers support it nicely.
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- wussboy 6y agoThe important thing is that we punish companies that are actively trying to fix the problems we all care about because they didn’t fix them perfectly the first time or in exactly the way we would prefer. Sometimes the users on this site sound like they are drowning, but when you throw them a like jacket, they push it away as they complain about the colour.
- mustuhfa 6y agoNo, we punish them when they have fraudulent practices and when the product is a scam, like brave is. They modify user's input without their consent, they accept money with no guarantee of delivering to the intended target and talk about privacy as a selling point when they run an ad network . I cannot believe how much people turn in to a cult like fanboy for a product they understand very little about.
- BrendanEich 6y agoWe fixed the bug where refcodes were added to binance.us and binance.com URLs. That was a blunder, but not a scam. We made no money from it. As for "modify user's input without their consent", go type keywords into any browser, Firefox Safari Chrome Edge etc. You'll see search affiliate client code, same as we had by mistake for the two binance domains, and only as suggestions for other partners (all of this, we removed in the springtime, to quell concerns and misrepresentations such as you make here). We do not "accept money" as intermediary, the browser holds the tips to unverified creators. You seem to be operating on misinformation here. In December 2018 we briefly shipped a system that sent our own funds when directed, back to us, on behalf of unverified creators. That too was a mistake, but we fix bugs and so such tips are now buffered client-side. In any case, we were the source of funds there, not the user. We've taken great pains with Brave Ads (not an "ad network" by the way) to avoid any privacy problems, starting by making them opt-in, using in-browser-only data matched against a fixed-per-population-per-day catalog, confirmed via Privacy Pass (blind signature cryptographi). This is the wave of the future, even Google is trying to do a Privacy Sandbox now, but they are piling up risks and letting partners into the sandbox last I looked. It's clear you have some underlying problem with us, but it isn't based on the facts. What's the story?
- ekianjo 6y ago> Use Firefox, people. Brave is shady as hell. I'll use Chrome or Edge long before I use Brave. Firefox feeds itself in the hand of Google. They won't do anything that will make Google less dominant.
- voidpointercast 6y agoAnd brave doesn’t even attempt that. They perpetuate the Google monopoly and bolt on their own monetization schema as a ‘feature’ toward the user.