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I can’t imagine driving recklessly at a camera-covered car. Seems like Waymo could/should just forward videos of clearly trying to cause an accident to the loca

I can’t imagine driving recklessly at a camera-covered car. Seems like Waymo could/should just forward videos of clearly trying to cause an accident to the local police

uluyol 6y ago
If they did this I think it would a massive PR issue. People would probably start destroying Waymo cars if this happened. I sure wouldn't be happy if self-driving cars became mass surveillance tools.
- junipertea 6y ago
  Dashboard cameras are a thing already.
  - EGreg 6y ago
    Actually cameras are everywhere all the time already, the question is who can access the footage http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169 http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169
- ceph_ 6y ago
  > If they did this I think it would a massive PR issue. Strongly disagree. There amount of contempt people have for asshole drivers is massive. Videos of people driving like assholes and getting caught is a mainstay of subreddits like http://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars http://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars and /r/InstantKarma
  - myself248 6y ago
    also nominating /r/ConvenientCop
- randomdude402 6y ago
  I'm not so sure about that. a lot of neighborhoods are absolutely ecstatic that everybody is pumping doorbell camera data into the cloud. I see people practically begging one another on facebook to upload video about the mildest of complaints.
sounds 6y ago
Inevitably, one of the autonomous vehicle companies, eventually, will. Therefore letting the aggressive, reckless drivers build up a sense of immunity and excitement seems like a Sun Tsu move to me. When the camera-covered car has its first day in court, it may be that all the cases are filed at once (by that company, and Waymo may not be the first to pull the trigger on the lawsuits). Statute of limitations in California is a bit tricky, but just as a baseline, assume this Sun Tsu-esque company collects evidence for 5 years. Judges may actually look favorably on the company waiting to make sure their cases can be decided en masse. Of course, the media will be all over it.
- kortilla 6y ago
  That doesn’t really make sense. The cases wouldn’t be able to be decided on in mass. The court would still need to review each incident individually so dumping them into the court system all at once is an asshole move.
  - sounds 6y ago
    It's not clear-cut, no, and I am not a lawyer, but mandatory authority (vs. persuasive authority) in California basically means that the plaintiff's lawyers could actually file all the cases at the same time. And then get a judge to view that as a favorable move, not asshole at all. (To be honest, I think any hostile move such as a lawsuit is an asshole move, so I think I'm agreeing with you?) They wouldn't need to claim the cases were grouped together, just that the inevitable appeal would be more likely to be found binding if the cases were all still being adjudicated. Or something like that. No court case is a slam-dunk.
nostromo 6y ago
In my city you can have video evidence of someone driving up to your house, license plate visible, stealing you property, and driving away and they will take a report, pass it along to the prosecutor, and he or she will proceed to do absolutely nothing. In Seattle my car was stolen on camera and was later found with a million identifying pieces of information in it, including the thief's security guard uniform complete with name badge, along with receipts at local pot shops with their name and phone number and... nothing happened. It's hard for me to imagine they're going to running around trying to ticket people for abrupt lane changes.
- nnm 6y ago
  Hard to believe this story. Feel like the police department is not working as expected.
  - mrkstu 6y ago
    Note he said Seattle. If necessary, you can read up on the recent developments as regards law enforcement in that city for further clarity.
  - colordrops 6y ago
    I've had similar experiences in Los Angeles. The problem is not that they are negligent but rather that there is so much for them to do that they don't have time to get around to crimes such as this.
  - myself248 6y ago
    Similar thing happened to me in San Jose. They acted annoyed that I was even wasting their time by filling out a report so I could make an insurance claim. Why is it hard for you to believe something isn't working as expected?
  - fosk 6y ago
    In San Francisco if you do decide to prosecute, the district attorney's team will call you to convince you to drop charges for "restorative justice".
  - 6y ago
draw_down 6y ago
Come on

I can’t imagine driving recklessly at a camera-covered car. Seems like Waymo could/should just forward videos of clearly trying to cause an accident to the local police

uluyol 6y ago

If they did this I think it would a massive PR issue. People would probably start destroying Waymo cars if this happened. I sure wouldn't be happy if self-driving cars became mass surveillance tools.

junipertea 6y ago
Dashboard cameras are a thing already.
- EGreg 6y ago
  Actually cameras are everywhere all the time already, the question is who can access the footage http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169 http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169
ceph_ 6y ago
> If they did this I think it would a massive PR issue. Strongly disagree. There amount of contempt people have for asshole drivers is massive. Videos of people driving like assholes and getting caught is a mainstay of subreddits like http://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars http://old.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars and /r/InstantKarma
- myself248 6y ago
  also nominating /r/ConvenientCop
randomdude402 6y ago
I'm not so sure about that. a lot of neighborhoods are absolutely ecstatic that everybody is pumping doorbell camera data into the cloud. I see people practically begging one another on facebook to upload video about the mildest of complaints.

sounds 6y ago

Inevitably, one of the autonomous vehicle companies, eventually, will. Therefore letting the aggressive, reckless drivers build up a sense of immunity and excitement seems like a Sun Tsu move to me. When the camera-covered car has its first day in court, it may be that all the cases are filed at once (by that company, and Waymo may not be the first to pull the trigger on the lawsuits). Statute of limitations in California is a bit tricky, but just as a baseline, assume this Sun Tsu-esque company collects evidence for 5 years. Judges may actually look favorably on the company waiting to make sure their cases can be decided en masse. Of course, the media will be all over it.

kortilla 6y ago
That doesn’t really make sense. The cases wouldn’t be able to be decided on in mass. The court would still need to review each incident individually so dumping them into the court system all at once is an asshole move.
- sounds 6y ago
  It's not clear-cut, no, and I am not a lawyer, but mandatory authority (vs. persuasive authority) in California basically means that the plaintiff's lawyers could actually file all the cases at the same time. And then get a judge to view that as a favorable move, not asshole at all. (To be honest, I think any hostile move such as a lawsuit is an asshole move, so I think I'm agreeing with you?) They wouldn't need to claim the cases were grouped together, just that the inevitable appeal would be more likely to be found binding if the cases were all still being adjudicated. Or something like that. No court case is a slam-dunk.

nostromo 6y ago

In my city you can have video evidence of someone driving up to your house, license plate visible, stealing you property, and driving away and they will take a report, pass it along to the prosecutor, and he or she will proceed to do absolutely nothing. In Seattle my car was stolen on camera and was later found with a million identifying pieces of information in it, including the thief's security guard uniform complete with name badge, along with receipts at local pot shops with their name and phone number and... nothing happened. It's hard for me to imagine they're going to running around trying to ticket people for abrupt lane changes.

nnm 6y ago
Hard to believe this story. Feel like the police department is not working as expected.
- mrkstu 6y ago
  Note he said Seattle. If necessary, you can read up on the recent developments as regards law enforcement in that city for further clarity.
- colordrops 6y ago
  I've had similar experiences in Los Angeles. The problem is not that they are negligent but rather that there is so much for them to do that they don't have time to get around to crimes such as this.
- myself248 6y ago
  Similar thing happened to me in San Jose. They acted annoyed that I was even wasting their time by filling out a report so I could make an insurance claim. Why is it hard for you to believe something isn't working as expected?
- fosk 6y ago
  In San Francisco if you do decide to prosecute, the district attorney's team will call you to convince you to drop charges for "restorative justice".
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draw_down 6y ago

Come on