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US may not be back to normal until 2022, Fauci says
- oregontechninja 6y agoI pushed my wedding back to 2021 already, at this point we're probably just going to cut our losses and invest in a house or something. The fact that so many Americans are willing to pick up a gun and lay down their life for this country, but wouldn't wear a simple mask for that very same country is shameful.
- criddell 6y agoI have a feeling those are two different groups of people.
- gameswithgo 6y agoWell we had the very visible example of the Navy Seal who allegedly killed Osama doing just this. Not only refusing to wear a mask but suggesting that those of us who do are "pussies". But outside of the military we have the people buying up guns to protect america from a mostly imagined antifa threat, who will not wear masks to protect against a very real viral one. People have never been good at thinking though, similar stuff happened in 1918. oh well.
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- SEJeff 6y agoI'm a veteran (US Army OIF II ~2003-2004) and wear a mask to protect you as much as to protect myself + my family. There are plenty of stupid people in the world, being a willing to serve in the military doesn't mean you're one of them.
- 7thaccount 6y agoThe parent commenter may not have been referring to those in the military. There are many non-military citizens that love guns (that by itself isn't a problem), but do have a sick fascination/desire of being in a firefight and who frequently talk about being willing to lay down their life for America....all while being incapable of wearing a mask. They may be referring to that hypocrisy.
- SEJeff 6y agoIndeed there are plenty of those individuals. I always ask them if they are so willing why they never signed up to serve in the military. Uncle Sam has always needed help. They weren't willing then, and they aren't willing now. All talk with no action.
- adkadskhj 6y ago> The fact that so many Americans are willing to pick up a gun and lay down their life for this country I don't think they are. The motivations behind those who go to war are not clear cut. Some are noble honest giving people; others less so. For some that's simply the "best" choice for career/etc. Those that go to war purely from the kindness of their heart is smaller than implied - imo - and wearing a mask most aligns with a simple kind ask, perhaps a much smaller percentage of the gun supporters.
- matwood 6y agoI will say that for my wife it was mixture. She's patriotic, and it was also the best choice to get her life started after high school. I imagine it's probably some combination for most people. Side note, she's furious every time she catches a Trump rally on TV and sees blue-lives matter desecrated American flag.
- okiedokiepokie1 6y agoHow do you explain other countries who are very pro-mask and always have been (ie. Japan) with their cases not going away?
- fomine3 6y agoMask is necessary but not sufficient
- scrooched_moose 6y agoWe opted to slash&burn our guest list (~150>20) and do a very small ceremony in September for this reason. We didn't want the stress of dragging out, and as cases were spiking in August we didn't feel confident 2021 was even going to be an option. Some friends of ours lost massive deposits on theirs in 2020, then rescheduled for 2021, and are starting to panic again. It turned out to be a great excuse to uninvite a large swath of extended family we didn't really want to include anyway, and the small ceremony with only our closest friends & family was wonderful.
- anonunivgrad 6y agoIf you don’t want to get sick or get someone you must see (eg elderly parents) sick, then wear a mask and/or hide inside. Let the rest of us do what we want. People my age have a 99.9% survival rate. My parents’ age, 99.x%. There is no evidence that the long term effects are actually any more severe or prevalent than with, e.g. particularly nasty flu years. We choose to get on with life. I’m definitely not letting the government tell me whether I can have a family party or not. If you’re scared of the virus, stay home. This pandemic will end like almost every other pandemic in the history of the human race: enough people get sick and acquire permanent/temporary immunity and the virus stops spreading. The question is whether in the process, we freak out to the point of skyrocketing suicides, economic stagnation, and becoming joyless. Edit: not bothered by the downvotes but I am amused by the petty people who went and downvoted my other posts too. lol!
- stdclass 6y agoI dont know why you are getting downvoted, the mortality rates are on the WHO / CDC website etc. FOR EVERYONE TO READ!
- Karunamon 6y agoBecause it's not all about the mortality rates. Just because the bug doesn't literally end your life doesn't mean you won't be left with long term (expensive) complications or handicaps, that could very well kill you years after you get over the virus. Per the CDC [1]: >Among patients with COVID-19, 76.8% had respiratory complications, including pneumonia (70.1%), respiratory failure (46.5%), and ARDS (9.3%). Nonrespiratory complications were frequent, including renal (39.6%), cardiovascular (13.1%), hematologic (6.2%), and neurologic complications (4.1%), as well as sepsis (24.9%) and bacteremia (4.7%); 24.1% of COVID-19 patients had complications involving three or more organ systems. Among COVID-19 patients, nine complications were more prevalent among racial and ethnic minority patients, including respiratory, neurologic, and renal complications, even after adjustment for age and underlying medical conditions. This isn't the fucking flu, and at this point, it is intentionally dishonest to downplay the effects of the virus. [1]:https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e3.htm#:~:text=Among%20patients%20with%20COVID%2D19%2C%2076.8%25%20had%20respiratory%20complications,%2C%20and%20ARDS%20(9.3%25) https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e3.htm#:~:text=....
- sigmaprimus 6y agoI wear masks and have been wearing one since the "experts" were claiming they were not needed. It just seemed so odd to hear them say that when at the same time the doctors and nurses were screaming that they didn't have enough. There have been so many mixed and misleading messages I understand why some people doubt the efficacy of masks. Remember "Don't touch your face"? What happened to that? I think if the communication people had just come clean and admitted they mislead the public in order to secure the PPE the healthcare system needed and prevent hoarding (Like what happened with TP), there would be far less anti-mask rhetoric. Unfortunately these politicians doubled down and tried to differentiate between medical and non medical masks. Totally a CMA attitude that understandably has been met with a degree of mistrust.
- jliptzin 6y agoWhat about "don't touch your face?" Who is advocating to start touching your face? If you don't have to touch your face, don't do it. I've heard that advice well before covid and all throughout the pandemic.
- sigmaprimus 6y agoI've heard it well before too, but when is the last time you heard it? But thats besides my point. We were mislead about masks in the beginning, even Fauchi was not advocating mask wearing in the beginning, yet there were stories about nurses being forced to ration and re-use theirs. I'm not saying it wasn't what needed to be done but it had consequences, one of which is a certain level of skepticism when the message is changed from "Masks are not" to "Masks are"
- everdrive 6y ago>don't touch your face This is just general common sense advice for literally an illness. It's not COVID-specific. If you touch your eyes, nose, and mouse, you're more likely to get infected by whatever's around.
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- apozem 6y agoMy wife and I just went down to the courthouse with my parents and got married this September. God knows when this will all be over, we’ll have some kind of ceremony then.
- gfitz 6y agoWhy blame the people when the leadership has been so shoddy? Here is the same Dr. Fauci on masks as the pandemic was first spreading throughout US: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PRa6t_e7dgI https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=PRa6t_e7dgI
- jeffbee 6y agoSeems pretty reasonable to me. At that time there really was a shortage of masks. Perhaps he should have advised people to improvise a mask?
- ars 6y ago> but wouldn't wear a simple mask for that very same country is shameful. There aren't as many of those as you think. The media likes to find all cases of people doing that and reporting on them. Instead the media should do some polling and get statistics on mask wearing. But they won't, because in general most people are wearing masks, and that goes against the narrative.
- InitialLastName 6y agoI delayed my wedding from July to a much smaller wedding in February 21, to a courthouse ceremony sometime this winter followed by a big first or second anniversary party (whenever the coast is clear). This year has truly been a wild adventure. :\
- mcgoo 6y agoIf you want to avoid crowds, the two busiest days for the courthouse we got married in are Thanksgiving Friday and the last Friday in December. There were six judges on the day we went - typically it’s handled by one judge. (That was 2018, who knows how it’s going to be this year. Might even get shut down in some places.)
- Pfhreak 6y agoRelated, I'm curious how long y'all feel it will take for you to be comfortable with what was historically normal. For example, riding a crowded bus or train, going to a concert, or even going shopping at a big box store seem totally bizarre to me right now. Even after the numbers come down I expect it will be some time before my brain isn't reflexively telling me to wear a mask and avoid crowds.
- oblio 6y agoIt's worse than that. Entire generations have had PTSD because of major events such as this one. For their entire lives. Edit: How is this being downvoted? It's just the truth, the stress of isolation and the permanent health risk from a pandemic have real traumatic effects. Is anyone denying this?
- Arnt 6y agoProbably for "such as this". You might do better by elaborating what events you have in mind and why they were "such as this". Elaborating what traits made them equivalent with this.
- claudeganon 6y agoWearing a mask to avoid contracting or spreading illness, to avoid air pollution, or just because you don’t feel like shaving or putting on makeup is common across all of Southeast Asia. If Americans adopted this incredibly rational practice, it would be great for everyone.
- Hokusai 6y ago> Although 44 vaccines have made it to clinical trials, it might not be clear which works best -- or if any work at all -- until they have been authorized and distributed to many people, a team of experts said Tuesday. This is so different from Hollywood but so similar on how as as software engineer I solve problems. For complex problems, you find a few reasonable solution and you try them out. As you find that one is not feasible or too costly, you move to the next. > Until a vaccine is available, experts say social distancing, wearing masks and staying in your select bubble of people are crucial to helping quash this pandemic. I cannot imagine how live is going to be to 13-14 years olds that will live their most formative years in this situation. The world would go back to normal, we will forget about the pandemic, but for a few people it may always feel that is not how they grew up.
- roywiggins 6y agoThe main reason why we won't know which vaccine works best is because they're being tested in separate studies against placebos, rather than in combined studies against each other. This is partly by design, because getting the various pharma companies to actually work with each other was deemed infeasible.
- mhandley 6y agoIt's also because the only way you know your vaccine works is if more people in the placebo group get the disease than in the vaccine group, for the appropriate measure of statistical significance. If you test two effective vaccines against each other, you have a much harder time knowing if they were effective because you can't measure the cases that were avoided in a reliable manner, so it takes much longer to get a reliable positive result.
- kgwgk 6y agoThe idea is doing a multi-arm study with multiple vaccines plus control. You need more people than in a two-arms study but less than in multiple two-arm studies. The problem is that it's also more difficult to organize than multiple two-arm studies.
- danschumann 6y agoIt's a virus, of which we have cured maybe 2 in history, last I checked. There have been viruses chronically infecting people for many years. So, we could be looking at 30+ years of covid, unless it puts enough impetus on us to cure it, and perhaps more virii. However, if not, perhaps we do treatments, to make survival rate high enough so no one worries, but is merely wary to get checked. Or, perhaps we have 30 years where even if a single person gets it, the whole community needs to shut down for weeks, and people become suspicious and grow animus toward neighbors, being spiteful and lashing out more frequently, through rudeness or worse. Or, there's Sweden's route, which I'm kind of envious now. I'm surprised I haven't seen more countries jump in with both feet. What other options am I missing? Or which of these would you strike?
- 0xB31B1B 6y agowe have vacines for lots of viral illnesses. Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Polio rank among the most notable. For a complete list see here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/vaccines-list.html We are looking at 30 years of covid insofar as we are looking at 30 years of Measles, 30 years of Polio, or 30 years of Cholera. The point is, if you get your vaccinations, you can live a "normal" life and worry about catching covid as much as you worry about catching measles.
- danschumann 6y agookay that's one more possbility. It's not 100% likely to be able to be vaccined out, from what I've seen. What are the odds of the vaccine working?
- jfengel 6y agoMaking the virus extinct is unlikely, but that's more than required to return life to "normal". What's required would be for its annual death toll to drop out of the top 10, such that it looks more like the kinds of ordinary ways people die at random (car crashes, cancer, etc.) and less like taking unnecessary risks. A decent vaccine (say, 80%+ effective) would lower the transmission rates enough for that. People in high-risk groups may continue to wear masks for the rest of their lives, along with other real changes, but most people could treat their lives as "normal". The odds of that are very good. There are multiple vaccines in process, with good reason to expect them to work, and preliminary evidence that they work fairly well. That may not suffice to eliminate the virus, but it's good enough for people to stop building their lives around it.
- briefcomment 6y agoIs there a reason why Fauci has been in charge for so long, and that leadership doesn’t cycle? He doesn’t seem particularly impressive or accurate. I don’t see why public health needs a face. Just give us the most recent science, admit when you are wrong, and most importantly admit how confident you are with your predictions.
- sschueller 6y agoHow long did the pandemic of 1918 last? More than one year? We didn't do/know much in those days and it went away on its own but of course with a lot of dead people.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoPandemic of 1890 might be a better example, because it is speculated it was caused by the OC43 coronovirus. It lasted 4 years.
- tonyedgecombe 6y agoAlthough we didn't have access to vaccines back then so it's difficult to compare.
- nradov 6y agoThe pandemic started in 1889. There is strong circumstantial evidence that it was caused by the emergence of OC43 but we can't really prove it. Killed about a million people. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7252012/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7252012/
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoI actually live close to its epicenter.
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- cybwraith 6y agoIf all COVID19 related treatments and on-going care were covered under a form of universal health care in the US, I'd be willing to participate in the larger economy and pick up my daily routines again. Those who are high risk or older would need to exercise caution to limit exposure of course and universal masks would still be a good idea, but I do feel like things could largely get chugging again. At some point the isolated living just isn't viable or worth living anymore. However the risk of financial ruin to any given individual or family from a 3 week COVID stay in the hospital, even if you survive without complications, is just too great a risk to "go back to normal". In the US such a stay likely means you end up unemployed and facing massive surprise bills from out of network "contractor" doctors, coinsurance, etc. It was already bad before, but the economy (the "real" economy) really wouldn't survive the obscene amounts of medical bill bankruptcies.
- ehvatum 6y agoBy that time, there may even be another threat that proves far more deadly, particularly to young people. For example, car accidents.
- WhompingWindows 6y agoBased on the Dr. Christakis interview with Sam Harris, we won't be back to truly normal until 2024. Vaccines won't be widely taken until the end of 2022, 2023 will be a sobering up phase where people aren't quite used to social gatherings again. By 2024 election, we'll finally be having big rallies and big concerts again.
- xnx 6y ago"Normal" is a terrible word to describe any future state. Many things have changed that won't go back to the way they were before ever (and that's entirely a bad thing): more working remotely, more grocery delivery, less retail shopping, etc.
- cpr 6y agoReading all these comments, I'm reminded of people who've undergone serious brainwashing. No snark intended--look.
- cassalian 6y agoI'm not necessarily advocating to remove the lock downs and instead simply throwing our hands up and going "oh well!", but I can't help but wonder whether there is something better than the current system. I hate this virus, I hate what it's done to the world, I hate that I'm completely powerless to do anything about it. Instead, I'm left with a chorus of desperate screams where my thoughts once were, with no one to listen and no prospect of change anytime soon. There has to be a better solution than this, doesn't there?
- just-juan-post 6y agoI have one simple question: Has he ever said anything of substance? His predictions have consistently fallen on their face. Anything he says is common sense or a vauge prediction. Yet EVERY DAY he shows up on TV and tells us nothing. Completely without substance. He is nothing more that a fame seeker. How do I know? Reddit showed us months ago that he was a fame seeker in the 90s and he still is today. https://redd.it/gi1dcf https://redd.it/gi1dcf Fauci is THE #1 fear superspreader and should be ignored.
- gruez 6y ago>He is nothing more that a fame seeker. How do I know? Reddit showed us months ago that he was a fame seeker in the 90s and he still is today. >https://redd.it/gi1dcf https://redd.it/gi1dcf Being profiled in a magazine must mean you're a fame seeker?
- vaccinator 6y agoHe is being optimist or he is talking about the new normal.
- ulisesrmzroche 6y agoI think the only way to get universal mask use is to do away with social distancing. Open everything up but mandate masks. Otherwise, pandemic fatigue will demoralize people and the majority won’t comply. This second lockdown is already meeting extreme resistance