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Get $15k to move to Michigan and work remotely
- magneticnorth 6y agoOnly if you live in Chicago. Still, these incentives for remote workers seem like a good idea; I'm curious how many more there will be. non-paywalled archive if you need it: https://archive.is/uu2SW https://archive.is/uu2SW original source: movetomichigan.com
- bruceb 6y agohttp://www.movetomichigan.org http://www.movetomichigan.org
- srtjstjsj 6y agoIt's for anyone not living in Michigan. It's interesting because Silicon Valley is the opposite: they want business but not residents. I guess Michigan has a glut of housing stock (the ad mentions $200K houses)
- jerf 6y ago"I guess Michigan has a glut of housing stock (the ad mentions $200K houses)" No... that's just... what houses cost if you don't live somewhere insane, and live a bit outside of a decent city. They don't actually cost $800,000 for a barely-livable shack....
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- Rebelgecko 6y agoI clicked the "For Foodies" button on the website. I'm not very familiar with Michigan, so I was curious to see how enticing the food options would be. The first one on the list was "Applebee's". I don't think they're targeting this effort towards people like me
- cableshaft 6y agoBased on our trips to SW Michigan, there's a few good places, but not many. Silver Beach Pizza in St. Joseph, Wheatberry in Buchanan, Infusco Coffee Roasters in Bridgman (for coffee), and Bit of Swiss Bakery in Stevensville were the highlights for us. Several good places just over the border in Michigan City or South Bend, though. I'm surprised they're listing an Applebee's. At least along Lake Michigan, there aren't too many places that are mainstream chains, restaurants or stores. Can't even find a Walgreens or CVS most places.
- jtdev 6y agoNorthern Michigan has exceptional dining, particularly in the Traverse City area.
- notwhereyouare 6y agoLooks like they more just took a list of places. They have a courtyard by Marriott on the list as well. And it’s alphabetical
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago>Only if you live in Chicago. What? Why? I know state governments are stupid and lust after taxable income but adding a bunch of upper middle-class Chicagoans to the state where Yoopers and Detroit (yeah I know, the state has more than that, but if you squint it's mostly just a continuum between those to stereotypes) manage to mostly coexist peacefully seems like a great way to F that up.
- jointpdf 6y agoWhere’s the Chicago requirement? Here are “the details” from your link: > Up to $15,000 forgivable grant with the purchase of a new home with a cost of at least $200,000 > Not current Michigan resident Must purchase a home in zip codes 49022, 49085, 49106, 49103, 49127 > Must be considered a fulltime Michigan resident (obtain Michigan driver’s license and claim Michigan home as primary residence) > Must prove full-time employment and are working remotely for a company outside of Southwest Michigan > Consider volunteering on a non-profit board, in local schools or participating in a civic organization in Berrien County > $5,000 forgiven after each year of residency Those zip codes are for Benton Harbor / St. Joseph. If you like the beach (Lake Michigan is practically a freshwater ocean), it’s not a half bad area. First time homebuyer programs like this are nice, because the down payment is a huge hurdle for people. If you want free college for your kids (value >> $15K), then take a look at Kalamazoo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_Promise https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalamazoo_Promise
- bruceb 6y agoTL;DR get "$15k" = get 7.5% off the purchase of a $200k house. Obviously the higher the price of the house, the smaller pct off $15k equals to.
- ineedasername 6y agoIt's also structured somewhat like a loan, where $5k is forgiven each year you live there.
- ChuckMcM 6y agoI suspect this would be more effective if these towns offered free gigabit internet access for 5 years if you moved to them.
- skj 6y agoSomewhat less expensive than $15,000.
- Justsignedup 6y agoSometimes it is not, not if you wanna pay someone to wire you up. Also sometimes it is just literally impossible to even ask.
- lotsofpulp 6y agoI've been quoted in the $10k+ range just to get fiber installed, if the street or area doesn't already have fiber running through it.
- btrautsc 6y agojust did the math here, $4,200 for 5 years. I'm forwarding this thread to some local leaders to see if we can get a similar relocation package here (Chattanooga, TN)
- btrautsc 6y agoYou could have this today basically in any home in Chattanooga, TN. I think the most recent price is $68.99/ mo. 10gig is $299 It's a big county. You can live downtown. Suburban. Or quite rural all within access to the 'smart grid' / gig.
- gh02t 6y agoAs someone who recently (-ish) moved to Oak Ridge, TN where we still have shitty Comcast and AT&T service I really wish we had what Chattanooga has. I love the area, but I do not love the internet service providers I have to choose from.
- jorblumesea 6y agoThat's a brutal commute. 1h30min 1 way. Also, whatever you save in housing you lose in adjusted income. Chicago salaries trend higher.
- notwhereyouare 6y agoOnly if your company adjusts your income. Mine wouldn’t if I chose to move.
- IHLayman 6y agoAnecdotally, I know several people who would end up making less if they moved, because their company would “adjust” their salary if they move to a different tax regime. And moving when not telling their employer would probably result in a termination of employment. Essentially this would offset a 15k bonus, since the company would probably take that into account when “adjusting”. [edited a word or three]
- rco8786 6y agoThis is a rather cynical take, assuming that companies would somehow "steal" this incentive from people. Geo-based compensation is real, of course, but so are the massive cost of living differences between say, San Francisco and Ann Arbor.
- SamWhited 6y agoIt's not cynical, it's absolutely true. When I lived in Austin companies would adjust peoples pay down when they moved there because there was no state income tax in Texas so they'd claim they were being paid the same and the employees were being "greedy" by wanting the same salary.
- lotsofpulp 6y agoThe real reason is always the supply curve and demand curve of labor in the new location mean the employee will accept the lower pay.
- rco8786 6y agoI explicitly stated that geo-based compensation plans are normal. What I'm calling out is a baseless claim that companies will also adjust so that they can "steal" the one time $15k incentive. After all...if they take the incentive away, the incentive no longer exists and is useless.
- ineedasername 6y agoWow, I would never consider there to be any requirement to tell my employer that I moved somewhere else. It would have to be really prominent in new employee orientation etc. for me to even remember the requirement if I'd been there a few years. Although even with a salary decrease commensurate with a decreased cost of living, there could still be better quality of life, depending on the specific locations. Moving from the Bay Area to a suburban area like in the article, for the right type of person, could be a massive improvement.
- eddiezane 6y agoReminds me of Tulsa Remote [0] which was discussed here [1] and again with some results [2]. 0: https://tulsaremote.com/ https://tulsaremote.com/ 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463553 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18463553 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22458342 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22458342
- RomanPushkin 6y agoI applied to them, and I'm currently at the final steps. Not confirmed though.
- aynulhabib 6y agoLet me know if you get in! I've been in Tulsa Remote since April. It's by far the most fleshed out of these programs: a couple of hundred people have been accepted over the last couple of years, sixty in the last month or so. Much more of a focus on community vs just cash, as there are fun events. I'm working on a comparison site for these relocation incentive programs called https://payyoutomove.com https://payyoutomove.com. They appear similar but greatly differ in payout stipulations.
- baron816 6y agoIf states really want to attract high income remote workers, they should construct communities specifically designed for them. I’d like to see a town that isn’t meant to have a lot of commuters. Have lots of public space and encourage social organizations to connect people together.
- BurningFrog 6y agoIf I leave SV, I'd prefer it not be for another place crawling with engineers.
- cambalache 6y agoTotally.As if prices wont skyrocket then. I prefer to live modestly and low-profile among "normal" people.
- skepticp 6y agoThis is an interesting topic for discussion on it's own. As an engineer, I get a lot of talanted engineer contact through work (remotely). I'm really happy to not have that in my personal life. I lived in SF for 6 months and couldn't wait to get away.
- ryathal 6y agoMichigan is crawling with engineers already just not the software kind.
- atlasunshrugged 6y agoI thought that's what I wanted to but then I moved from SF to Berlin and it was so incredibly refreshing. Your Uber driver isn't pitching you on their idea, people at bars actually do normal jobs or are actual starving artists, and no one gives a shit (outside of a very small circle) how much money your startup raised
- 908B64B197 6y agoAnd high speed internet, preferably close to a decent college and magnet schools if they want to think long term.
- jungletime 6y agoMichigan is a beautiful state. Lake Michigan beaches are the best of the great lakes. However, transportation between the two cities is terrible. Worst travel experience I've ever had. And I've been to India. I landed in Chicago, and wanted to take the train to Detroit. Had to get to the Train station from the airpot, on time. So was in a hurry. 1. Got off the airport, waited in line to buy Metro ticket, on some antiquated machines for buying tickets. Italian couple in front of me got confused, and gave up. I ended up completing their transaction for a week long metro pass by mistake. 2. Get off the metro. Ask for directions to the train stations, get pointed in the wrong direction. Waste 15 minutes. 3. Walk back, my flip flops break, need to change shoes. Unpack my luggage in middle street. Walk towards station see a pigeon get hit by a taxi. Walk further, and a sky scrapper is blocked off with police cars, helicopter flying around. Think its some sort of suicide going to on. Keep walking. Later found out they were filming spider man. 4. Make it to train station, wait in line to buy tickets. Tickets are sold out. Girl in front of me in the line starts crying, has a break down. No tickets left. 5. Decide to walk to greyhound station. Police car outside. Think thats a little unusual. Quickly figure out that this must be a popular way for poor black people to travel between the two cities. Go in, lines everywhere. Its crowded chaos in there. Go to washroom, smells like urine. Wait in information line. I've never seen anything like it. The guy in the line besides me asks a question from the info guy. Gets in some sort of 30 second argument. The attendant, calls in the cops. And the cops arrest the guy! WTF. My turn to ask a question. I ask if I can buy a ticket to Detroit. The response "who told you that. You've been bamboozled". I don't don't even know what to make of that. Decide to leave. 6. Walk back to the train station. Get told about Magabus. Wait 5 hours. Bus shows up after midnight. Driver is pissed about people having too much luggage. Starts charing people extra for it. Bus is crowded. I end up sitting above the wheel well the whole night. Back hurts the next day. Never again!
- nitrogen 6y agoConsidering Detroit's history as the motor city, why didn't you just rent a car?
- jungletime 6y agoMy sister travelled on the train between the two cities and had a nice experience. So I wanted to go by train. I had a ticket, which I bought online, but I missed the train, and next one was sold out. But if I do go between the cities again, I will probably fly. But taking a car would be interesting too.
- swagtricker 6y agoAlso, please ignore the fact that local militias occupied the state legislature, and some were recently arrested by the FBI for a plot to kidnap the governor and overthrow the state government. Come to Michigan!;) Personal disclaimer: I grew up in Michigan from birth to mid teen years (in the Pacific NW now). I still have family that I love back there, but I'd need a salary offer in the top 3% income bracket of the state to consider moving back (and I'd still only rent). Michiganders are just too uptight for my sensibilities as an adult.
- tjr225 6y agoI grew up in Kalamazoo. Moved back last October due to the arrival a new child and desire to be close to family/cheap housing. Sold the house 10 months later and I’m already back in Seattle. Whatever idealized version of Michigan I had in my brain was not there when I got there. Couldn’t stand the culture, weather, or evangelicalism. It is cheap though. Not so much if you want to live anywhere remotely desireable however. Homes in our neighborhood were going for over 400k. At that price I’m going to live where I want to live instead.
- kyleblarson 6y agoYou said you are in Seattle? And you also said that a house over 400k was expensive?
- tjr225 6y ago400k is too expensive for Michigan, yeah. I’ll gladly spend more for somewhere nicer.
- gmadsen 6y agoAnn Arbor isn't too bad
- JAlexoid 6y agoAnn Arbor is a pleasant bubble, that is burst as soon as you cross I94
- tracker1 6y agoDevtools FTW, removing the popover, and body class to read TFA.
- ineedasername 6y agoAlso Ublock Origin w/ script disabled for the site.
- tracker1 6y agoYeah, I tend to leave scripts enabled. Will probably try disabling on some sites in the future.
- mac01021 6y agoHow big is the set of people that can work remotely from wherever they choose to live and also would value $15k enough for it to play a significant role in that choice?
- lwigo 6y agoNew CS grads with student loans.
- hedora 6y agoReally? I’d guess one year’s difference in starting salary dwarfs $15K. I wonder if anyone’s got good (pre/post covid) statistics.
- rlanday 6y agoDoes this difference in pay for remote workers based on city actually exist yet? I feel like a bunch of people are e.g. just telling Google they’re going to work out of Mountain View or New York and counting on never being asked to actually go to the office.
- sethhochberg 6y agoIn the pre-pandemic days when companies encouraging remote work were fewer and further between, it was very typical in my experience for them to pay market rate for your actual location - whatever location you met the qualifications for legal residence in. I know of at least a few places that do/did sort of a globally averaged salary - their rates aren’t adjusted for location, but if you’re in a major North American city you might be disappointed. If you’re rural, or in less expensive parts of the world, their salaries were well above market. Tax domicile is a real concern. The BigTech firms are smart enough to know and care where your actual legal residence is, and presumably they’re not going to let you pretend to be in SF to collect SF-adjusted wages while actually living in Michigan and collecting their legal benefits.
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- roberte3 6y agoThree words "Lake Effect snow"...
- rhinoceraptor 6y agoThat’s only really on the west side of the state. If you’re an engineer you probably want to be in SE Michigan which doesn’t really have lake effect snow.
- mfer 6y agoIf you work remotely you can live all over Michigan. Not just SE Michigan. It depends what you're in to. I've know teleworkers who have been in the UP, the thumb, and every place in between. Depends on what you're interested in outside of coding hours.
- brianwawok 6y agoHum I live 5 minutes from the border in Indiana. I need to find a way to harness this for developer hires :)
- kasey_junk 6y agoI’ve been contemplating building a chain of bike specific rentals up the coast. We should do some synergistic development. You get subsidized bike commuting developers and I get their overnight fees when they can’t make it home...
- brianwawok 6y agoLet’s do it. Great bike trail that hits my office and goes up into Michigan.
- xur17 6y agoWould this be rental apartments that people can use for short stays while traveling along a bike path? Targeting remote workers? I ask because something like that actually sounds kinda interesting.
- kasey_junk 6y agoI hadn’t thought to target remote workers but might in the age of widespread remote work.
- up_and_up 6y agoI have worked remotely from Ann Arbor for 7 years. currently work for a large SF based startup. AMA. Michigan is great in a lot of ways, depending on your interests.
- smokelegend 6y agoDo you have bears there?
- up_and_up 6y agoYes, black bears in the northern Lower peninsula and the Upper peninsula. Also likely cougars, but the DNR wont admit it.
- hentrep 6y agoThe DNR has actually changed tune on this recently: https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2020/08/12/michigan-dnr-6-confirmed-cougar-sightings-in-2020/ https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2020/08/12/mich...
- a2tech 6y agoNo bears in the Ann Arbor area sadly. You have to go a bit north to get bears. But those areas are easily reached via car. My parents for example live 3 hours away (220-ish miles) and they get a couple of bears a year bumming around.
- seanyesmunt 6y agoYes, but I've lived here for 20 years and have never run into one while camping/canoeing. They are more active (but still sparse) in the Upper Peninsula.
- selimthegrim 6y agoIs Zingerman's really that good?
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- mfer 6y agoI live in Michigan so I have a few thoughts about living there... If you love urban centers than Michigan might not be for you. There is Ann Arbor but it's a college town and not likely what you want. Michigan has over 10,000 lakes. There are lots of parks and open state land. It's not just the tourist places like the dunes (where you can take off road vehicles on sand dunes) or rivers you can canoe on camping trips. Not far from me is a dog run (wouldn't really call it a park) that's over a hundred acres of state land. It's a chunk of a much larger thousands of acres section just meant for dogs. Other areas have horse trails and stuff. There is a lot of opportunity to enjoy the great outdoors. This is also going to mean that you aren't going to have great public transit in these places. The options are limited because it's off the beaten path.
- cableshaft 6y agoI looked into it. There's literally only 5 zip codes this applies to. Benton Harbor, St. Joseph, Bridgman, Berrien Springs, Stevensville. We do like the general area so my wife is now pushing for us to take advantage of this. I'm hesitant mainly because I don't want to move in the middle of a pandemic/get our house ready to be sold right away. Where are the large dog runs at?
- mfer 6y agoI'm in none of those zip codes and I've visited numerous places that were not there. Unfortunately, I could not find the large dog run on a map. I know where it is and the signs call it out if you are there. Different places have a different culture. It all kind of depends on what you're in to. For example, I know some people who love the Traverse City area and some others who have been there for a bit and are ready to move. That's an area worth looking at. If you want to be close to things and like urban-ish then there is Ann Arbor. The train to Chicago goes right through town. The express ways also make it easy to get to a lot of places as fast as you can in Michigan. While it's about as urban as it gets in Michigan you can also get out of it pretty quickly into the outdoors. Michigan has a fair amount of variety. That's why people can have such different experiences. I visited my parents the other day. On the drive down their street I passed a couple dozen wild turkeys. While I was at their house an 8 point buck walked through the back yard. The deer there know it's safe enough that you can be outside, reading, and drinking a coffee and the deer wont run off. It's a different pace of life where I am at. Not every place is like that.
- causality0 6y agoI wonder when the governmental hammer is going to come down on remote work. How long until states decide they need to "do something" about companies headquartered there that don't participate in the state economy beyond utility bills. We've already seen how they react when a company dares to feed its employees lunch.
- mrits 6y agoI'm actually out of the loop on the lunch thing. Is California making companies treat that as income now?
- daniellarusso 6y agoI think it was an issue with the private cafeterias having a negative affect on surrounding businesses. https://sf.eater.com/2018/7/25/17614570/san-francisco-corporate-cafeteria-ban-google-twitter https://sf.eater.com/2018/7/25/17614570/san-francisco-corpor...
- fukpaywallsII 6y agoplease don't post links that have pay walls!
- werber 6y agoI live in downtown Detroit, don't drive, walk, bike, take public transit or Lyft everywhere (but mostly walk). And honestly love it. Feel free to ask me anything
- ninkendo 6y agoHow’s it been in downtown lately? I know it’s had a revival over the years, but I’ve heard that over the past few months (especially after COVID hit) that the crime/murder rate has been rising. This at least according to some police officers I know.
- werber 6y agoI can only speak to downtown, and it has been more sedate but I haven't felt less safe. I don't eat indoors so the recent weather change has meant more time at home. My favorite thing about Detroit winter, the skating rink, is going up right now (probably the only thing I'll do outside till spring 2021) But, downtown isn't the same as the other neighborhoods, I don't think I'll be going farther than a mile from home for a while
- johnrgrace 6y agoThere is zero murder problem in downtown detroit. I used to live in Lafayette park (adjacent to downtown detroit) in a coop building with a doorman next to a several hundred acre park with a view of the river. I moved out just as a former US senator was moving into my floor.
- mdorazio 6y agoHonestly, if I'm going to move somewhere for money and work remotely the biggest incentive is zero personal income tax. For that, I'd rather move to Texas (Austin), Washington (Seattle), Florida (Miami), or Nevada (Las Vegas), all of which are also more appealing as city destinations than anything in Michigan.
- theironlily 6y agoI absolutely do NOT recommend Miami if you indeed want your money to go far. Try Tampa or Space Coast instead. edit to add this: Miami is certainly a nice place to visit, but not to live.
- andrew_ 6y agoTampa is just outstanding. 7 years in and I have nothing but good things to say.
- asdff 6y agoWhat's wrong with miami? Looks overall cheaper than anything on the west coast to me. Loved it all the times I've been, but the only things putting me off are the rising water table and hurricanes. My buddy living down there has had some serious flood damage to his home a few years back. I guess you could build on the second story with parking underneath like they do here in the west and buy another century of rising sea levels or so, but I didn't see any homes that looked like that so I guess zoning is probably some nonsense.
- Zenbit_UX 6y agoIt's sinking
- theironlily 6y agoThe times you’ve been there, did you make the rounds at popular touristy places? Rent at those places are extremely high, $3000+ for a 2 bed in heart of Brickell. If you move in lands away from touristy place it’s not that impressive. Home insurance is high because of hurricane / flooding risks. Like I said, not a good place if you want your money to go far. Plenty of things to like about it if you visit, like the food, the pretty scenery at popular places.
- outside1234 6y agoI grew up in Saint Joseph unbelievably (which is one of the zip codes that qualify). AMA if anyone is interested in this option (now live in California because of beforementioned soul crushing winters and love of mountains). Great option for families primarily. Saint Joseph and Stevensville schools are extremely good (like at least private school in the bay area good). Beach life is great in the summer and the fresh water lakes are great if you are into sort of the fishing sort of outdoors. Houses are cheap with a huge amount of lawn (this can be viewed as a downside too). That said, it is the midwest. You should like watching football and basketball. You should be ok hanging out with Republicans but it is only R leaning, not a crazy MAGA area. There is not a ton of bars and restaurants and church is a major factor in a lot of people's social lives. (But kids soccer games, super bowl parties, etc. are too.)
- kkotak 6y agoSt. Joseph is a quaint tourist town. But Ann Arbor, Lansing, and other towns are fun too. I haven't lived in MI but visited often. Lake effect snow is a bitch :(
- outside1234 6y agoMy understanding is that AA, Lansing, and beyond don't qualify. It's basically Berrien county.
- yesimahuman 6y agoIt sounds like you're saying all of the midwest is like that, which it definitely is not. Madison, where I live, is highly liberal, church is definitely not core to the social fabric, and we have a passionate soccer community (point being: hardly as limited as made out to be).
- DataGata 6y agoMadison? A capital city and a college town? Highly liberal? I don't think people define the midwest by the midwests' Urban cores. They define it by fields of food and suburban sprawl.
- reverend_gonzo 6y agoI live in Chicago and just bought a house in Michigan, so this seemed interesting. A couple things though: 1) it’s not 15000, it’s 5000 a year, if you get Michigan drivers license, move to Michigan permanently, and work for a non Michigan company. 2) it’s only a few zip codes, which, while those town are really nice, are further from Chicago than most people want to drive regularly. We had our limit to an hour, which gets you to New Buffalo/Union Pier, which is not on the list. Overall, 5k a year isn’t worth my time.
- kkotak 6y agoHow's $15K worth the move for anyone?
- recroad 6y agoEspecially as they're trying to attract high earners.
- RomanPushkin 6y agoIf you want to move anyway, but don't know where exactly, and Michigan is on your list.
- prawn 6y agoSpread over three years also.
- aynulhabib 6y agohttps://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/subjective-theory-of-value.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/subjective-theory-of-va...
- Zenbit_UX 6y agoIt's not much, especially if you work at a place like gitlab that openly brags about their pay discrimination policies. They'll actually dock your pay if you move to a place like this from SF and that $15k won't come close to making up for it.
- mgkimsal 6y agoHrm... no details on if you're self-employed. Grew up in SE Michigan. I visit now and then, but have no major reason to move back. This on its own probably wouldn't be enough, but... having to demonstrate I work for another company vs just being self-employed seems a bit short sighted. Is the goal to get people to move there? Or are they trying to achieve something more?
- pksebben 6y agoI got a little excited when I read this, and then realized I was conflating Michigan with Wyoming. I'll try to explain why briefly: It has been brought up in passing in my friend circles that an influx of lefty techies into wyoming could feasibly tip the election scales. Because it's so dang small, the blue-red delta is around 128k people [1]. In the scope of things, drop in the bucket. Assuming that any significantly sized business will attract infrastructure to match, you'd really only need a couple apple-sized entities (cupertino: ~15,000 employees, ~60k pop total [2][3]) to make that happen. Assuming that there would be some amount of 'bleed' (suburbs et al) you might not even need that. Mind you, I'm not suggesting this as a serious course of action, but it does make for some entertaining showerthought fodder. [1] https://sos.wyo.gov/Elections/Docs/VRStats/2020/20OctVR_stats.pdf https://sos.wyo.gov/Elections/Docs/VRStats/2020/20OctVR_stat... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Park [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino,_California https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupertino,_California
- sudosteph 6y agoHave you ever actually been to Wyoming? I've driven through it down I-80 and spent the night there a few times, but man I would never move there. The winter is incredibly harsh, and the wind was like nothing I've ever experienced. In the course of days otherwise non-eventful winter driving, I counted at least 3 trucks that had been blown off the highway. It's super remote, and some of the locals I met were not particularly friendly. I'm sure this all appeals to some folks, but man - it does not appeal to many of the folks I know. There's a reason why the population is so low. If you're actually the kind of person who is leaving a solid blue start and cares about "tipping" the balance somewhere else, you'd be much better off going to a state that's already purple or trending that way. Ie, Texas, North Carolina, Virginia.
- mythrwy 6y agoEastern Wyoming is harsh, windy and exactly like you say. The I-80 corridor is a wind tunnel. Cheyenne is actually a nice town in my opinion and an hour from Denver. It might not be right for a lot of HN people but I like the town. The surrounding country is just rolling windy plains though. North Central and Western parts of Wyoming however are gorgeous. I particularly like Thermopolis where GF's family is from. It's a tiny little town deep in a canyon on the wind and bighorn rivers. Hot springs abound. It's probably not the right place for young single techies but it's great country and great fishing. I found the people friendly enough but not overly.
- rlorenzo 6y agoHere's the website with the program. The actual article is behind a paywall. https://movetomichigan.org https://movetomichigan.org
- crowf 6y agooriginal non-paywalled link https://movetomichigan.org/ https://movetomichigan.org/
- danans 6y agoI grew up in MI. I doubt the 15k would go very far. You should instead move to Michigan for the beautiful lakes and rivers, and the low cost of living (which is often much higher on the aforementioned lakes - especially the tourist towns in western MI). As with any place, the most desirable locations, i.e. Ann Arbor, are more expensive. It's also a place where most of the investment, whether corporate, private, or civic is in suburban areas, so at least for people of means, suburban life is very comfortable. A few cities have made comebacks (Detroit to an extent, Grand Rapids) but it's still marginal compared to the wealth of the suburbs. Rural and post-industrial areas can be very bleak. But for anyone imagining it as an escape: it is as complex a place as any other place in the US today.
- aitait 6y agoIllinois' Demographic Collapse: Get Out As Soon As You Can https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/illinois-demographic-collapse-get-out-as-soon-as-you-can https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/illinois-demogr... Illinois News Network reports "A Southern Illinois University at Carbondale poll from 2015 showed that half of the Illinois residents polled would leave the state if they could. The No. 1 reason: Taxes."
- m0zg 6y agoCome on, Texas. Roll out the gibs. I was going to move anyway, the least you can do is cover my moving expenses. It's either that or FL, and on paper I like TX more.
- rawoke083600 6y agoJohn Carmack got some notes on this :P
- DoreenMichele 6y agoI'm not especially familiar with Michigan. But (because of some of the comments here) I am wondering if the 5 zip codes eligible for this are part of "the crescent": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23392246 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23392246
- rainoftoasters 6y agoThis is stupid pay people who are well off enough to move here and buy a house... why not use that money to support not so well off citizens to move up help them grow and contribute to their own economy. This just seems like BS to get rich people to come and push poor people out. Fuck economic developers.
- redisman 6y agoBecause rich people pay lots of local and property taxes I guess
- chagaif 6y agoyou gotta be subscribed to read this article...
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- vinay427 6y agoI really hope you've checked your water for lead if you live anywhere in the US or Canada, by that standard. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-lead-testing/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-lead... https://apnews.com/article/24628f49af1e45219ee4b06c0a9a1229 https://apnews.com/article/24628f49af1e45219ee4b06c0a9a1229 It's a completely separate water supply from the rest of the state, which generally does very well given the copious amounts of freshwater available. This would be like checking for poisoned water anywhere in Quebec or California because of the water safety issues in parts of Montreal or Fresno that were worse than Flint in some ways.
- napolux 6y agoHas a huge Dr. Pol fan, count me in. Do they have high-speed internet there?
- Lotus128 6y agoThere is a qualified talent pool in Michigan. U of M graduates can’t wait wait to exit Michigan. Lack of cultural identity and diversity beyond academic hate. Grand Rapids is Struggling with holding black art exhibitions at Rosa Park Circle , please don’t fall for this . Back to Philadelphia I go and yes I have a Masters
- Lotus128 6y agoNot on your life it was 30,000. Lack of diversity cheap wages no unions lacks culture identity oh wait Michigan Militias. My masters degree will set n the stoop 4th and South st Philadelphia