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> Do we ignore traffic fatalities by ripping seat belts and air bags out of vehicles? Some preventive measures are clearly justified. Wearing a mask requires

> Do we ignore traffic fatalities by ripping seat belts and air bags out of vehicles? Some preventive measures are clearly justified. Wearing a mask requires little more effort than wearing a seat belt and refusing to wear one is pretty childish at this point. Losing precious time with family is a lot harder and a sacrifice few people would consider making in the face of traffic fatalities.

nradov 6y ago
How long are you expecting asymptomatic people to wear masks in public? What are the exit criteria?
- nineplay 6y ago
  Until there's a vaccine with some level of population coverage? I don't have a date, I don't feel it's a heavy burden to bear. If there's a significant downside to wearing a mask it's not obvious to me.
  - tphyahoo 6y ago
    Then just wear a mask. Editing: I'm sorry to be cranky about this. Different strokes for different folks. It's one thing to do something, it's another thing to force other people to do it because "it doesn't bother me." Maybe it bothers other people. People don't like to be told what to think, how to feel, or how to act. Maybe mask wearing is justified but you can't just hand wave it away as "no big deal" because it doesn't happen to bother you, when it obviously bothers plenty of other people. Also here's a study, if you like that kind of thing https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y?sharing_token=4AfWegbHOxk00hiHYtrplPe4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY4ZfoGR_ibmFHApWSw2JRb7yoFxeXbxgdwNA2TYmPtz8OVhsr-eLNmHTAFlu6bFbQl5DaVnEieqTZNVL58LC3cW5QirGJONSGqeFdIMNEhxS2AmFJPw2wAfRsgDXHh9EII%3D https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y?sh... "The pulmonary function parameters were significantly lower with mask (forced expiratory volume: 5.6 ± 1.0 vs 5.3 ± 0.8 vs 6.1 ± 1.0 l/s with sm, ffpm and nm" (surgical mask, n95 mask, and no mask)
- dehrmann 6y ago
  There's a chance people actually start using it to mark their political affiliation in public.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    Mask wearing isn't really partisan enough to signal affiliation effectively. A substantial majority of all political leanings (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-increasing-bipartisan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/#close https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-incr...) report they always wear a mask.
three_legs 6y ago
If only masks were actually effective [1] [2] like seat belts. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v... [2] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214
nobody9999 6y ago
>Losing precious time with family is a lot harder and a sacrifice few people would consider making in the face of traffic fatalities. I agree. In fact, I've had to come to the realization that I may never be able see and hug my ailing mother ever again, as she lives on the other side of the country. I hope that isn't the case, but it may well be so.
- nineplay 6y ago
  I'm sorry. I'm facing the same thing and it's tearing me up.
- deleted 6y ago
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nradov 6y ago

How long are you expecting asymptomatic people to wear masks in public? What are the exit criteria?

nineplay 6y ago
Until there's a vaccine with some level of population coverage? I don't have a date, I don't feel it's a heavy burden to bear. If there's a significant downside to wearing a mask it's not obvious to me.
- tphyahoo 6y ago
  Then just wear a mask. Editing: I'm sorry to be cranky about this. Different strokes for different folks. It's one thing to do something, it's another thing to force other people to do it because "it doesn't bother me." Maybe it bothers other people. People don't like to be told what to think, how to feel, or how to act. Maybe mask wearing is justified but you can't just hand wave it away as "no big deal" because it doesn't happen to bother you, when it obviously bothers plenty of other people. Also here's a study, if you like that kind of thing https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y?sharing_token=4AfWegbHOxk00hiHYtrplPe4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY4ZfoGR_ibmFHApWSw2JRb7yoFxeXbxgdwNA2TYmPtz8OVhsr-eLNmHTAFlu6bFbQl5DaVnEieqTZNVL58LC3cW5QirGJONSGqeFdIMNEhxS2AmFJPw2wAfRsgDXHh9EII%3D https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y?sh... "The pulmonary function parameters were significantly lower with mask (forced expiratory volume: 5.6 ± 1.0 vs 5.3 ± 0.8 vs 6.1 ± 1.0 l/s with sm, ffpm and nm" (surgical mask, n95 mask, and no mask)
dehrmann 6y ago
There's a chance people actually start using it to mark their political affiliation in public.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Mask wearing isn't really partisan enough to signal affiliation effectively. A substantial majority of all political leanings (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-increasing-bipartisan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/#close https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-incr...) report they always wear a mask.

three_legs 6y ago

If only masks were actually effective [1] [2] like seat belts. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v... [2] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

nobody9999 6y ago

>Losing precious time with family is a lot harder and a sacrifice few people would consider making in the face of traffic fatalities. I agree. In fact, I've had to come to the realization that I may never be able see and hug my ailing mother ever again, as she lives on the other side of the country. I hope that isn't the case, but it may well be so.

nineplay 6y ago
I'm sorry. I'm facing the same thing and it's tearing me up.
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