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Debian donation for Peertube development
- kome 6y agoThat's SO cool! While everybody is busy wasting their life on a super centralized internet, it's heartwarming to know that there are still ideas, people and money that goes towards interesting, free and perhaps even a bit idealistic projects. And we are talking about tiny numbers: 10,000 €. But they can go a long way. Support free software, people!
- capableweb 6y ago10000€ is not that tiny though. Not only is it about 15% of what PeerTube was trying to raise, it's also about 10 months of full-time salary for a lot of developers around the world, especially where free software is the most important.
- type0 6y agoAre there other associations similar to Framasoft? In Europe or across the globe.
- yvan 6y agoFramasoft is a French association.
- type0 6y agoYeah, that's why I asked, I generally prefer EU orgs for data protection reasons (GDPR).
- jelv 6y agoLike Framasoft? Not that I know of. There are local versions in Europe. A lot smaller is https://disroot.org https://disroot.org from the Netherlands. There are floss projects that are growing: - Nextcloud (German) - Mastodon (German) - Element/Matrix (UK and French) - Pixelfed (Canada) - Small Tech (Ireland)
- guerby 6y agoI heard about: https://nlnet.nl/ https://nlnet.nl/ "It spawned the world-renowned NLnet Labs, and supported great open source projects like Jitsi, ARPA2, WireGuard, NoScript, Tor Hidden Services, GPLv3, GNUnet, and webOD"
- rapnie 6y agoThere's also Codeberg https://join.codeberg.org/ https://join.codeberg.org/ (Germany)
- fsflover 6y agoYou could probably check the list of organizations supporting "Public Money - Public Code" campaign: https://publiccode.eu/ https://publiccode.eu/ (list at the bottom of the page).
- mtgx 6y agoAnyone want to take bets that Google would eventually try to deprecate whatever API peertube needs because of some plausibly true "security reason" in the next few years?
- Saint_Genet 6y agoI doubt it's ever gonna become a thing Google even notices.
- john4532452 6y agoduckduckgo
- Saint_Genet 6y agoNot equivalent at all. DDG gathers the content they provide themselves. Video sites rely on users for content, which is why critical mass matters. Why get 100 views on peertube when you can 100000 views on Youtube?
- dewey 6y ago> DDG gathers the content they provide themselves. You know that DDG mostly relies on Bing for their search index right? https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/?redir=1 https://help.duckduckgo.com/results/sources/?redir=1
- john4532452 6y agoThere are a lot of legal content that is banned. I have seen videos banned on dermatologist's channel due to obscene skin rashes. Same anything that spills blood etc. When it comes to politically controversial any commercial company has to take side with ruling party and ban the videos. PeerTube is alluring to them. Critical mass is not an issue IMO
- john4532452 6y agofunny and depressing at the same time
- feralimal 6y agoThis is so heart warming. Thanks to Debian and wow - Framasoft (who I'd never heard of) has a page that is so on point!! Amazing. Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. I wish there was more of this.
- dewey 6y ago> Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. What kind of content is getting "censored" on YouTube?
- feralimal 6y agoIt is hard to get a handle on what disappears; at least I haven't seen a straightforward breakdown. Certainly things that talks about 911 not being an act of terrorism, Sandy Hook and other school shooting being a govt sponsored hoax, the Las Vegas shooting hoax, things relating to space being hoaxed, etc. I'm not going to provide an opinion on these things. Whatever your perspective, the thing I would argue, is that if you want to be informed you need access to all the information and evidence, not a subset selected for you by the governing class. It used to be a popular thing to say: "I hate what you're saying, but I'll fight for your right to say it". I agree with this. But we have been educated to think that so called 'hate speech' is a problem, whereas the real issue is the prolonged infantilisation of adults - in that we don't trust our own judgement, and would prefer an authority to do it for us.
- dewey 6y agoPersonally this sounds like exactly the type of content I want to have removed from platforms I frequent. Same as foreign election meddling ads on Facebook or Nazis and bots on Twitter that users urge the platforms to deal with in a better way. If I look at the front page of some peertube instances it consists of Liveleak-like content, conspiracy theories and ISIS recruitment videos and I can see how that is not very appealing to the average user.
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- roenxi 6y ago10,000 euros isn't a lot of money. I'm going to interpret the enthusiastic upvoting of this post as being more about what it implies when steady and serious collectives like the Debian project start signalling that something is important. There needs to be better software infrastructure and it needs to be open source (and, indeed, free). It is hard not to like Debian. It is wonderful to see that focused, principled, good-for-everyone organisations can still carry on even in 2020. Maybe not everyone believes in freedom but Debian has standards.
- cpach 6y agoYeah, not to rain too much on Peertube’s parade but in my locale (Sweden) that is about one month’s worth of salary for a developer. And in other locales such as Silicon Valley it’s even less (maybe 1-2 weeks of salary?). Then again in some locales that kind of money would go a much longer way of course.
- ordo_inf 6y agoI live in Sweden too. Is that true? I thought it was more around 4k EUR. Or am I being lowballed here...
- renke1 6y ago10k for the average developer (in Europe) sounds a bit too high, 4k a bit too low, but closer to what I would expect.
- tpxl 6y agoA lot of Europe is the balkans and the east where I'd be surprised if the average employer cost for a decent developer exceeds 2k/month.
- renke1 6y agoTrue, I should have said most of Western/Northern Europe, I guess. Edit: Actually, Europe is so diverse that any blanket statement is mostly worthless.
- richardARPANET 6y agoIMO, PeerTube will never become popular due to its decentralized nature.
- john4532452 6y agoWhy ? What are the premises that leads to your conclusion ?
- TheCapeGreek 6y agoNot OP, but having tried PeerTube just to see what it was about, just the usability is a pain. There's a lot of foreign language content that clogged up my front page and I'm not even in Europe for some elementary locale checking to try and match content. Then of course, decentralised streaming in this way is incredibly slow and has the same pitfalls as torrents: If there aren't any/enough peers you're screwed or just generally going to have a really bad time.
- ziml77 6y agoHaving no peers with the content you are looking for is the worst problem. Unpopular videos will just disappear.
- richardARPANET 6y agoIn short, if I challenge my mother to "Go to PeerTube and watch the video of a Panda falling over", she would not be able to do it.
- viraptor 6y agoGoogle "peertube", click the first link, put "panda falling over" in the search field - how is that different from YouTube? (Including the first step - lots of older people Google YouTube to go to YouTube) The problem is the next step because there is no video of a panda falling over, but that's not related to the peertube implementation or UX.
- Anka33 6y agoThe real test is when "undesirables" start using it.
- monkin 6y agoWhat a waste of money that could go to projects really worth it, and not a service with pirated anime, tv shows, lingerie models, and very bad LGBT or religious content. Who even taught this could be a good idea?
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- zoobab 6y agoThey should donate for the things that matters, like the last attempt to get software patents in Europe: https://ffii.org/donate-now-to-save-europe-from-software-patents-says-ffii/ https://ffii.org/donate-now-to-save-europe-from-software-pat...
- stereolambda 6y agoA couple observations: 1. Peertube and other fediverse software are examples of living AGPL projects. In recent weeks there was some discussion on this license, and people claiming "no one would want to contribute". My thinking is that AGPL today is where GPL was, I dunno, 20 years ago in terms of attitude of the industry (not friendly) and significance to the user (actual suppression of user-hostile behavior... of course as much as this software is practically usable). I'm no free software fundamentalist myself, but I recognize this. The shift is related to the changes in how software is distributed. 2. Many discussions of PeerTube viability seem to assume the "content creator" system created, to a large extent intentionally, by YouTube. This system changed over the years, but relies on people pumping out similarly-formatted videos in regular intervals. The people are driven by hope of accomplishing scale where they can support themselves with Patreon and maybe YT ads (though I hear these are less lucrative and important nowadays). On PeerTube there is no scale as of now, so the realistic model of usage, I imagine, would be more like early YouTube. Funny and interesting videos (not quasi-TV shows), one-off tutorials, archiving, short animation etc., without hoping for making it a full-time job. 3. Lately YouTube have begun constantly pestering (at least when you have some cookie-deleting scheme?) to accept their all-Google terms, and to log in, every every time. I think it started in the late summer, used to be way more lenient. I'm assuming at least the terms thing is related to GDPR: to that extent I'm okay with reminding me what I'm doing to myself by exposing myself to Google. This may be a nudge to start using PeerTube in some capacity, certainly pushed me to peruse archive.org more.
- mymythisisthis 6y agoHere are the three problems with video; 1) Governments take pornography seriously. Therefore making a video sharing site always draws attention, as they'll get abused. 2) Along with pornography are videos that are racist, teach about bomb making, conspiracies, are anti-government. These also draw the ire of government. 3) The monetary value of videos is all over the place. Most videos aren't worth anything, except to the creator. Old films and t.v. shows aren't really worth anything financially. New releases do make money for companies, but fade away quickly. There are millions of films, shows, etc. I think this needs to be addressed. If someone shares an old music video, how much should they really be fined? How much is it really worth? The music company would say they lost millions. A consumer would say that they can buy the song for pennies, so the song is only worth pennies. We need a justice system, and judges that can really asses the actual value of things. This is the discussion that hasn't happened yet, but I feel is coming.
- mymythisisthis 6y agoVideo on the Internet is still broken. Videos aren't that big, especially for 5 minute clips at a lower quality. It shouldn't be this hard to share, copy, or post small video clips.
- LockAndLol 6y agoDoes debian have a peertube instance of their own? Nice gesture though. Even if they reached the stretch goal, I did my part and donated a few tenners. If you haven't yet, now's the time! They have much more developing to do https://joinpeertube.org/roadmap https://joinpeertube.org/roadmap
- lamby 6y agohttps://peertube.debian.social/ https://peertube.debian.social/
- LockAndLol 6y agoThank you kindly. Lots of good videos there!