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FreeYourMusic lets users migrate their playlists off Spotify

377 points by bartoszhernas 6y ago

loopdoend 6y ago
Perfect, I have been wanting to get off of Spotify ever since they teamed up with Joe Rogan.
- ddorian43 6y ago
  ... why ? Isn't Joe Rogan pro Bernie as an example ?
  - calvano915 6y ago
    Unfortunately the longer time passes, Rogan is pro and against and in between on everything. He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. Its been incredibly disappointing that he has gotten so out of touch with the style and approach that gained him his podcast prestige.
    - ddorian43 6y ago
      Do you include the "trans" stuff here ?
      - calvano915 6y ago
        Sure, though his position hasn't changed much on trans. I've always agreed with him that people who switch genders shouldn't be treated equally when it comes to contact sports like UFC. He's just been more distasteful about discussing it over time IMO. If I had to sum up how Rogan has changed, he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything, and believe that everything always deserves criticism while rarely deserving to be taken seriously. Though age is a factor, I think his FU money and success has completely gotten to his head. I was a fan for years from about episode 50, but rarely listen/watch now. His exclusivity is not a factor keeping me subscribed if I consider leaving Spotify in the future.
        pmarreck 6y ago
        > he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything This smacks of ageism AND sexism, all at once! Congratulations, you've violated your own morality code. And you were SO close to the -ism hat trick, had you only referred to him as an "older white man" ;) It took a while for gay marriage to become broadly accepted. Trans is fighting the same battle now. He's a very typical older cismale and this population segment is, by and large, just not going to "get it" yet.
        calvano915 6y ago
        I don't think it's just confined to white older men, rather old men generally as I stated. Not an absolute either, as I stated "many" and not "all". I'm not going to pretend that the majority of progressive minds are concentrated in the older populace, because constantly I find life experience to demonstrate otherwise. I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. I think everyone deserves to be treated with decency and respect, while also believing there is plenty to discuss about the moral and ethical aspects of hormone treatment (particularly during childhood), genderless bathrooms, etc.
        pmarreck 6y ago
        > I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. There are questions that are easy to answer that you have touched on such as bathrooms (just make them all solo and genderless), and decency/respect (give it to everyone, obviously). There are also FAR more difficult questions to answer such as, how to treat the gender separation in sports and where trans fits in there “fairly”? What to do if there is post-surgery regret? Why can a person consent to a drastic and permanent gender/sex change operation (the effects of some hormones at certain ages is irreversible) while being unable to consent to sex itself? (this is not an appeal to pedophilia as much as it is one of non-hypocrisy).
    - pmarreck 6y ago
      > He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. So your argument is basically "this person is somewhere else on the political spectrum than I am, therefore he must be cancelled from Spotify"?
      - calvano915 6y ago
        So, I didn't say anything about cancelling Rogan from Spotify. I think Spotify overspent on him but I could care less that they did. And my argument is that Rogan used to lean left in his own views, but was tolerant overall for the majority of the bell curve. Now, Rogan has shifted rightward personally, but has abandoned giving due time and thought to much of the left side of the bell curve. He's more narrow minded and quick to criticize what were previously ideas and arguments that deserved to be taken seriously (and still do).
        pmarreck 6y ago
        Were the criticisms rational, or merely distasteful?
- costcopizza 6y ago
  Interesting. Do you apply this to all platforms? If a supermarket sells products that you like, alongside products you don't like, do you stop shopping there?
  - paulcole 6y ago
    Believe it or not you don’t have to apply the most extreme form of your belief system across every aspect of your life. I eat a plant based diet but I still shop at a grocery store that has a butcher counter, for example.
  - alkonaut 6y ago
    Not the GP, but yes, definitely. If a store or brand has collaborations with the wrong people etc., that's definitely a reason to not shop there. I don't find Joe Rogan terrible enough to cancel my spotify subscription, but if they started collaborating with say Alex Jones, I'd find another streaming service in a heartbeat.
    - MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
      One day you'll grow up and realize over half the things you buy have something immoral attached to it.
    - tomjen3 6y ago
      Alex Jones has been on Joe Rogan.
      - alkonaut 6y ago
        Yes, which is one reason I dislike Rogan. However, Spotify and Jones aren't in direct business (making money off their business deal together). I'm fine with Spotify and Rogan doing business. It's not that I go around worrying about what's said in every song and podcast on Spotify, it's rather whether I agree with Spotify's business practices or not. I wish Spotify told Rogan to stop having conspiracy theorists on his show (unless they are critically exposed), but I don't consider Alex Jones as being a part of Spotify's business model because he is a guest in one of their pods.
- pmarreck 6y ago
  Except that there is nothing wrong with Joe Rogan. Not liking someone (or one of their guests) is a really terrible and irrational reason to not use an entire platform.
  - matthewmacleod 6y ago
    Feeling that a platform invests in or promotes dangerous or harmful content is a totally valid reason to want to use that platform less, or to stop giving them money. Really super strange that you don’t immediately see that.
    - pmarreck 6y ago
      Please show me where Rogan promotes "dangerous or harmful content". Also show how mere information can be harmful. Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        > Also show how mere information can be harmful. Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes. > Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better. There are substantially better ways to understand Nazism than reading Mein Kampf.
        pmarreck 6y ago
        > Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes Fair rebuttal, although in a population that has been taught how to think critically (not ours, unfortunately), this might be far less of an issue
funcDropShadow 6y ago
Doesn't the GDPR require that users have the ability to download their data?
- jbverschoor 6y ago
  Yup. in a usable and machine processable format.
  - bimusiek 6y ago
    Spotify can argue that they allow it per user request and they do have control over their public API. And they exercise their option to block unwanted services to use their API. Shitty, but theoretically legal.
    - imglorp 6y ago
      The service in question from OP is not using Spotify's API so no license applied. It sounds like they're automating/scraping, which in the US at least, was just ruled legal.[1] Of course, that puts scraper and scrapee into a leapfrog contest. As OP points out, the best defense against customers leaving is to actually listen to them and please them. In this area, while Spotify might have a giant catalog, they are blatantly tormenting users by removing obvious, simple, features demanded by the thousands of votes on their forum. 1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2019/09/10/linkedin-data-scraping-ruled-legal/#63de0f6f1b54 https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2019/09/10/linke...
- cryptixvi 6y ago
  Based on the article - I wouldn't be surprised if they complied by providing you a SHA256 hash for every song in your playlist.
  - toper-centage 6y ago
    They do give you you a list of playlists containing song titles and artists.
Hnrobert42 6y ago
This seems less like an article and more like an advertisement.
- SirAiedail 6y ago
  No surprise there. It is very common for startups or small to mid-sized companies to start a blog as a companion for their product, with articles of the schema "Very broad description of some common problem/need, followed by very specific guides - often times even step-by-step - on how to use their product to deal with said problem/need." It widens the spectrum of keywords that they can be found with a lot and thereby increases traffic to their main page and product.
  - Fogest 6y ago
    I've run into these so often. I'll be searching for a solution to a problem and I notice a "tutorial" but it on the site of a product that's name implies it is related to "fixing" the problem. And yep, as soon as I start reading the tutorial I can see they are going to say to use their product and explain how to use it. It gets rather annoying seeing these when I know there are free solutions.
tapland 6y ago
There are some problems like this that I’ve ended up solving with a scrolling capture screenshot (ShareX on Windows) and the first fitting google result for an OCR service.
- Fogest 6y ago
  Man I have been using ShareX for quite a while and didn't even realize they had that scrolling capture feature. I just keep finding their tool more and more useful. I like your approach to getting your playlists out. I just used https://exportify.net/ https://exportify.net/ and it gave me all my playlists in a CSV format with lots of information on each track such as things like genre. I feel like maybe this option may be a bit more useful to you if you want that kind of extra information.
DangerousPie 6y ago
I have been looking to move away from Spotify for a while now due to their lacklustre support for iOS devices. Is there a good comparison between Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon Prime Music somewhere, especially in terms of their coverage?
- disgu 6y ago
  Are there any big differences between iOS and Android versions?
  - csunbird 6y ago
    Well, for starters, they do not support Apple Watch, which is very problematic for me.
    - WanderPanda 6y ago
      The support Apple Watch, just not downloading songs for offline usage, right?
      - csunbird 6y ago
        It just works as a remote control for whatever device that you are currently playing the song.
      - m-p-3 6y ago
        which is basically a no-go with abysmal data plans in Canada. Why do we need to rely on mobile data so much anyway..
      - matthewmacleod 6y ago
        No. The Spotify app on the Apple Watch is a remote control for managing other devices and cannot stream songs independently. It’s insanely frustrating.
    - pmarreck 6y ago
      Do any of the other cloud music providers?
csunbird 6y ago
Funnily, they recommend Spotify as the best music streaming platform here: https://freeyourmusic.com/en/blog/best-music-streaming-platform https://freeyourmusic.com/en/blog/best-music-streaming-platf...
- bimusiek 6y ago
  That is from February 10th
  - dr_orpheus 6y ago
    Yeah but they still linked it in the article "If you wish to migrate out of Spotify, you can move to the following music services...And if you’re still deciding which music provider to choose, take a look at our comparison of the best streaming platforms in 2020." The last sentence is linked to that article that says Spotify is their #1 choice.
Tipewryter 6y ago
It would probably be easy to write a bookmarklet that extracts your music into csv. Then you can save it and upload it to wherever you like. You probably would have to write a second little script to convert the csv into the format of the service you want to upload it to.
marketingPro 6y ago
Need this for Google play/youtube music. Worst case I use OCR/mechanical turks in the future because I took screenshots.
- jimcsharp 6y ago
  You can get a pretty good csv dump of your play music profile through Google's general data export tool. Their migration to YouTube music is a good opportunity to see what else is out there. I'm leaning towards prime music, since they're a buck cheaper if you have prime (who doesn't?)
  - mattmanser 6y ago
    I dumped mine due to the impending shutdown. I only had a quick look, but the data format looked atrocious. I'm not sure you could actually do it worse, mine was a folder for every playlist, with a CSV for each song. Trivial for me as a programmer to reformat, but useless for the general public.
    - jimcsharp 6y ago
      I can only assume that was an aggressive answer to "what if their playlist is, like, REALLY big?"
- tandr 6y ago
  I have used https://soundiiz.com/ https://soundiiz.com/ a month ago to transfer all my music lists from Google to Spotify (yeah, the irony...) after many years of having music subscription with them. I just cannot stand the quality drop (and build-for-cheap-tv normalization levels) of sound on Youtube Music.
  - scottmcdot 6y ago
    Agree, irregular volume levels on YouTube Music between songs is really frustrating. And some even sound like MP3 rips of MP3 rips.
blunte 6y ago
I haven't studied the fine print on this service, but I wonder about the (high?) value of knowing a person's music tastes in this level of detail. I have hundreds of playlists on spotify, and I bet you can state a lot of things about me by knowing what music I like.
- tareqak 6y ago
  Spotify has access to this information, so isn't that also a concern?
  - blunte 6y ago
    It's not generally a concern to me; I was just considering the potential monetary value of that in relation to the FreeYourMusic fee.
- zimmund 6y ago
  Last.fm allows you to track your whole listening history (and you can export it or play with their API). I agree it could be interesting to infer something valuable from what a person likes (musically), but I don't know if there's much to read between the lines other than "if user likes artist X probably will like artist Y". You may infer my location (from local artists listened), and from that paired with timestamps you could tell some of my habits (work, school, commuting). Personal taste can hint an age group and gender as well, but it wouldn't be precise at all. Perhaps mood? I don't see much value on that info, compared to what you can gather from navigation history, messages or other services.
- djeiasbsbo 6y ago
  Just a tought I've had but what if it will actually reveal more insights about their recommendation and curation algorithms than about your music taste? This data would be more interesting over time. What new artists have been added to the playlists and have any new songs from already known artists been missed...
selykg 6y ago
I'm one of those speak with my wallet kind of people. So when I seen news of this yesterday I wrote into their support saying I was not pleased with it. Their response was some random canned response about how you can still export your data. I'm not a fan of lock in, and I'm even less thrilled about not actually responding to my actual questions and instead giving me some canned BS. I responded back telling them thanks for not even reading my question and responding with a canned response, then asked for instructions on how to delete my account. I haven't heard back. For what it's worth I wasn't rude in any of this, I was straight and to the point, but I was not rude. Now they seem to be simply ignoring me. I'm definitely not spending my money with this service any more. I used to feel a tiny bit sad for them competing with Apple and their whole complaint against Apple and payment stuff. But after seeing this shitty set of responses from them I just no longer care, it feels like they've brought at least some of this on themselves. As a sidenote, I'm sort of fed up with customer support in general these days. Snippeted answers are great when they make sense. I.e. a user is asking a simple question, you can take the approach of some personalization sprinkled with snippets to make your life easier and your messaging more consistent. But when you have an unhappy, or upset customer, the last thing you should do is throw in some canned response that doesn't even address their concerns.
- sabellito 6y ago
  It's a little surprising to me that you'd expect better customer support from a service with >248 million[1] monthly active users. Having worked for/with departments like this, they have to heavily optimise for their response rate, and use as many macros to respond as possible, which's probably your case as I'd assume that many customers contacted them with the same question. By all means, always speak with your wallet, but if you genuinely expect huge corporations to answer each request with a custom response, you will probably be disappointed often. [1] https://qz.com/1736762/spotify-grows-monthly-active-users-and-turns-profit-shares-jump-15-percent/ https://qz.com/1736762/spotify-grows-monthly-active-users-an...
  - ISL 6y ago
    Most of the time I initiate contact with Amazon customer service, I seem to get a custom response. When pushy, I have gotten excellent custom responses. I expect Amazon does far more revenue/customer, though.
syshum 6y ago
Spotify has followed the same model as many other companies, like Netflix They are open with data, have good API's etc until they get market dominance then they stop supporting many of those same things. They have dropped their support for Linux Clients, they closed most of their API's, and various other things It is a repeating pattern with companies that are disrupting a market
- m-p-3 6y ago
  You scared me for a minute, I thought you said Spotify dropped their Linux client https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/ https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/
  - dagurp 6y ago
    > Spotify for Linux is a labor of love from our engineers that wanted to listen to Spotify on their Linux development machines. They work on it in their spare time and it is currently not a platform that we actively support So for all we know they could drop support if an employee or two leave the company.
  - syshum 6y ago
    They did, from the page "and it is currently not a platform that we actively support." it is a spare project from a few engineers, with no offical support from the company, if the few engineers that support it ever leave it is Dead and it was dead for several years before the engineer got enough support to be able to do it as an unoffical project.
zoltar 6y ago
I think something like this still works with a client id, secret, and a playlist: TOKEN=$(curl --basic --user $ID:$SECRET -X POST -d grant_type=client_credentials https://accounts.spotify.com/api/token | jq -r .access_token) curl -H "Authorization: Bearer $TOKEN" https://api.spotify.com/v1/playlists/$PLAYLIST/tracks | tee playlist-$PLAYLIST.json | jq -rc '.items[].track | "\(.artists[0].name) -- \(.name)"' | sort
- hello_asdf 6y ago
  It works, but the tracks api is limited to 100 max results, so you have to call it multiple times with offset for larger playlists [1]. [1] https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference-beta/#endpoint-get-playlists-tracks https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/referenc...
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    Most APIs have page size limits.
    - hello_asdf 6y ago
      Yep, I was just noting it for anyone else that tried it and was curious.
  - fao_ 6y ago
    Yes, that's pagination :) It should be possible to script that out too.
    - hello_asdf 6y ago
      Yep, it is, I was just noting it in case someone was wondering why it was being wonky after trying it out. I already did just to test it out, the results include a 'next' link that you can use :)
- ebb_earl_co 6y ago
  At least the TOKEN command was perfect for me, thank you! Instead of passing ID and SECRET, I wrote the values from the Spotify Developer Dashboard to a file like so: $ touch .spotify_credentials && chmod 600 .spotify_credentials then edited .spotify_credentials with client_id:client_secret, then $ curl --basic --user "$(cat .spotify_credentials)" -X POST -d grant_type=client_credentials https://accounts.spotify.com/api/token https://accounts.spotify.com/api/token which was successful
adnanh 6y ago
Funny how they didn't vet the generated content: https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify
- maeln 6y ago
  What do you mean ? Being able to transfer from one service to the same service is still practical. It allow you to transfer playlist from one account to the other.
- deleted 6y ago
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- ewelina_fym 6y ago
  We still support migrating to Spotify. We want people to be able to migrate FROM and TO any music service. They get to decide what platform they want to be on. And yes, you can import your songs between accounts on the same platform.
  - bartoszhernas 6y ago
    You can even do a Spotify "Liked Songs" to the same account of Spotify as playlist, and then you can finally share the Liked Songs as a playlist to your friends :) If this sounds interesting feel free to ping me at twitter @bartosz
CivBase 6y ago
This sort of nonsense is why I switched to a self-hosted Emby media server.
therealmarv 6y ago
Any github repositories and code which provide Spotify playlist->txt/csv/json/xml ? ANSWER to myself: Seems there is at least a simple drag&drop solution with the select all on desktop app -> LibreOffice https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-export-my-Spotify-playlist-as-a-text-file https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-export-my-Spotify-playlist-as...
- pensatoio 6y ago
  From elsewhere in the comments: https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify
- lambdatronics 6y ago
  https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup
- bakerkretzmar 6y ago
  https://savemyspot.ca/ https://savemyspot.ca/
CravingLogic 6y ago
If you just want a csv of all your playlists right now, instead of potentially "30 days". This repo works well. https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify
- lambdatronics 6y ago
  See also https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup. Looks like Exportify is more polish, though.
harsha930 6y ago
Spotify is so much better than apple music, and this is probably minimal compared to what apple music does to convert/retain users from Spotify. Think of all the barriers apple music has created (apple watch app for a long time was the only one that supported offline, apple music is preinstalled, when you hit play and no apps are currently playing it will go to apple music, probably much more). My main thought though is that Spotify is much better anyway, why give people the ability to export their curated playlists and use somewhere else. They’ve built that service that helped you discover all those songs — if you created all those playlists from scratch with no help from Spotify’s algorithm (discover/recommendations) good for you but I doubt that’s most people.
- eli 6y ago
  The fact that it may have better features or that other services also have lock-in does not in any way excuse this behavior from Spotify. It's anti-user and they should stop.
- phantomathkg 6y ago
  No matter how good a service is, it does not give them the right to hold you hostage.
- jabroni_salad 6y ago
  Personally, I want to have a text backup of all my playlists. If my Spotify disappeared into the aether tomorrow, it would be a lot of pain. Not completely awful -- I follow a lot of my favorite bands on Youtube, and I buy physical releases occasionally too, but my connection to every artist that I can't name off the top of my head will have been lost. I've been a spotify customer for years and I plan to continue that, but I also am not planning on letting my playlists go silently into the night.
- jeanofthedead 6y ago
  Idk. I prefer AM's recommendations, integration with ATV4K, HomePods, lyrics, music videos, separation of music and podcasts, and audio fidelity.
fsflover 6y ago
Consider using bandcamp.com if you want to "vote with your wallet".
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Vespasian 6y ago
I guess I'm lucky that this particular problem is not one that bothers me much. My playlists tend to be a) quite short ~30 songs I listen on repeat until the mood changes and / or work requires a different rhythm and b) are not that many. Only around 10 in active use at any time. I tend to delete older lists to not clutter "my library" This leads me to the conclusion that a one time (GDPR) data dump would be sufficient to migrate the data over time. Since Music is quite fungible, the one benefit Spotify offers over other services is their recommendation engine which is arguably better than the competition.
- Fogest 6y ago
  This is actually part of the problem I have. I only really have a few artists I may listen to on a more frequent basis, but other than that I am usually just using random playlists from Spotify that fit my mood rather than spending time making my own. However I have been having a couple issues. Everything was working fine, but then I started using Spotify at the gym almost daily for workout music. The music genres I like to listen to while working out are vastly different from what I listen to at home. To further compound this problem I often listen to podcasts in the car and don't listen to Spotify much at home. So a good chunk of my usage of Spotify is listening to music at the gym. As such my recommendations are complete garbage. I don't care to be suggested music related to gym music as I just pull up random playlists anyway. But what I do want is suggestions for what to listen to when I am at home. Problem is that Spotify has no incognito mode or any way to tell it to "ignore this from recommendations". That was actually one of the biggest draws for me was using stuff like "Discover Weekly" and the "Made for you" stuff. But now it is essentially useless for me. Now I have been trying to transition to Plexamp as I already use Plex. My problem is that now I have zero suggestions of what new songs to acquire and I feel stuck.
Confiks 6y ago
So the other day Spotify decided to block API access to SongShift [1], which used their API to transfer playlists to other services. By doing that, they removed a method which was valid under GDPR article 20 subsection 2 to transfer personal data directly from one controller to another. FreeYouMusic is using another process without cooperation or consent from Spotify, and doesn't include all personal data. I've been exchanging emails with Spotify to demand that they re-enable the API or allow for some other method to transfer my personal data directly to another controller. So far they've just sent me boilerplate back telling me about their GDPR article 20 subsection 1 process. You can read the full conversation here [2]. I fully intend to file a complaint with the Dutch civil court if they don't allow me to exercise my rights under the law. It would be good to have some precedent here. As they've already shown it to be technically feasible (a requirement of the law), and enabling the process is literally a boolean away, I think such a complaint would have a high chance of success. Additionally, in my opinion their GDPR article 20 subsection 1 process is currently also in violation, because they take up to 30 days (counting 2 now) before emailing you the ZIP with your personal data. This is arguably "undue delay" (which is prohibited under the GDPR). If it comes to a case, removing this delay will certainly be part of the demands. [1] https://songshift.com/blog/spotify_transfers https://songshift.com/blog/spotify_transfers [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24764371 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24764371
- eisa01 6y ago
  Interesting! Will you update on the process on eg Twitter?
  - Confiks 6y ago
    If this evolves further I might make a tiny website about the progress. In that case I'll put a link in my profile.
- stjo 6y ago
  Please keep us updated
InfinityByTen 6y ago
https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify This is the best of the lot.
- Splendor 6y ago
  Isn't that the same site linked by this very post?
  - robjan 6y ago
    GP was referring to the source and destination
- didymospl 6y ago
  Such transfer actually made perfect sense until recently because they didn't allow to change username. It was brought up on their forums numerous times[1][2] over the years and they only introduced editable profile name in March this year. Until then they advised to create a new account and ask their support by email(sic!) to have your playlists copied. [1] - https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/How-can-i-change-my-my-spotify-username/td-p/641928 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/How-can-i-change-m... [2] - https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/I-simply-want-to-change-my-profile-name/td-p/494634 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/I-simply-want-to-c...
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dawnerd 6y ago
I’m just waiting for an open source solution. All these closed source payment requires apps kinda scare me with the permissions they need - Like you just know they’re hacked together scripts that are likely storing and transmitting your tokens in plain text.
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antihero 6y ago
Damn, just spent a fiver on Soundiiz, which is quite nice in all honesty. It did the trick! https://soundiiz.com/ https://soundiiz.com/
cafed00d 6y ago
Can confirm. This app works like a charm. I remember attempting to move over from Spotify to Apple Music in 2017. Used some other apps at that time. Didn’t work so well. So I gave up and used Spotify for a few years. And then switched afresh to Apple Music in 2019. Today, though, I found freeyourmusic and I was super impressed by their pricing. Figured I’d give it a shot and I am convinced this is the best $10 I have ever spent!
bloak 6y ago
I've not used any of these services but I'd be interested to know what the portable identifiers look like. Can anyone explain?
quattrofan 6y ago
Hilarious. You don't own shit with streaming, if you want to own buy mp3s or CDs and rip. You'll own it and it will sound vastly better especially if it's from a CD.
- inportb 6y ago
  The discussion is about playlists, not about streaming vs ripping shit.
codazoda 6y ago
This exact problem has prevented me from creating playlists in the first place. I'm a non-iphone Apple Music user, but the same still applies. I have no playlists because I assume I'll lose all that curation work someday. So, I just don't do it. I wonder how many others are the same way and how that negatively affects their revenue.
- djeiasbsbo 6y ago
  Totally understandable... because playlists are tricky. I have a medium sized local music library and up to a few months ago have used an iTunes-like app to manage it all. Then I decided to move my music library... everything was still in the same folder, just on a new server but the playlists were all empty. I certainly was a bit freaked out when I realised that the m3u playlist files contained absolute paths to every song, instead of relative paths. Turns out that the player/manager I had used did that by default... took me a few weeks to correct everything! I sometimes envy people with vinyl or cd collections, must be easier to deal with...
jokit 6y ago
These unnecessary proprietary networks/solutions keep trying to convince us to stop using them, and let them be irrelevant. I say we listen to them.
tbodt 6y ago
> For a limited time, you can redeem the code SPOTIFYSUCKS and get 42.069% off on all plans. Nice
slothtrop 6y ago
This, on top of songs disappearing from my playlists, rendered unavailable. I organize everything in foobar now, both local music and streaming playlists with the help of extensions. You can add Youtube sources to your playlists. Even if the links break, you can automatically fix them, keep the name and structure. Have not tried the app versions.
- pelario 6y ago
  Oh man, how do I wish a foobar that runs natively on Linux :(
  - raffraffraff 6y ago
    It pains me to say it, but music apps on Linux are abysmal. The last one that wasn't completely crap was Amazon 1.4.
    - gdrift 6y ago
      MPD on linux + Android MPD client as the the GUI works well for me.
    - jraph 6y ago
      Clementine [1] is pretty cool. It does everything I need: - cross-fading between songs - a real queue that is separate from the playlist so you can program what plays next and in which order easily (CTRL+D to add / remove, and a advanced window can show the queue) - a remote control with an Android app - stop after this song - a giant search / filter bar. It does not has to have the focus to start searching, just type when Clementine is the active window - MPRIS integration (obviously) - several playlists open at the same time - the mood bar It also has: - tag editing - integration with many online services - a library handling that does not get in the way but full-featured anyway - support for removable media It's awesome. It could use some pretty some improvement for its look, but it is pretty decent and does the job. It's a fork and a continuation of Amarok 1.4. [1] https://clementine-player.org/ https://clementine-player.org/
jscholes 6y ago
> As we don’t use the official Spotify SDK, we’re not bound to their Terms of Service. I'm not sure how this can be true. Their terms of service specifically ban users from reverse engineering unofficial parts of the product. Either way, I'd be interested to know how it actually works.
- burgerzzz 6y ago
  Isn't there an online version of Spotify? Doesn't seem like it would be overly complex to login with the users credentials and scrape the data, much like how some of the federated banking APIs work.
- LocalH 6y ago
  You have to actually agree to the terms (either through website or SDK usage) in order to be bound by them. IANAL
crazygringo 6y ago
So if people are hating on Spotify now... ...what's the alternative? People hate Google, they hate Amazon... I remember people used to hate Apple Music years ago because it was missing tons of basic functionality. Is it better? Is Apple Music the "accepted" streaming platform now? Do they all suck in their own way? Or is there another platform that's the good one now?
- avip 6y ago
  idk. I'm listening to music on YT. Because on the only vertical I care about - can I actually find the damn music I'd like to hear - YT is miles ahead anything else. So God bless YT and its amazing, likely illegal in some abstract sense, music collection.
- avhon1 6y ago
  For a lot of the people you're asking here, the answer is probably "don't use a streaming platform to listen to music". That's why there's at least one subthread about recommended music-playing programs.
- Tijdreiziger 6y ago
  I'd like to try YouTube Music (mostly because it's included in my YouTube Premium plan), but it doesn't have an option to turn autoplay off (i.e. you can't just listen to one song), which is a dealbreaker for me.
- amoshi 6y ago
  I gave Deezer a try and I've been quite pleased. The main problem I had with Spotify was missing music from specific genres/countries. Deezer let's me upload my own mp3 files, which means it has the most complete catalogue for me that any service could have.
- rtsil 6y ago
  Google Play Music was perfect for my needs. Once it's closed, I'm going to test Qobuz and its CD-quality streams. It's probably either them or Deezer.
- nixpulvis 6y ago
xtat 6y ago
spotify has chosen the "become you the thing you hate" path
arthtyagi 6y ago
https://soundiiz.com/pricing https://soundiiz.com/pricing This gives you exactly what they claim to work on without charging half as much. Basically, it's free if all you wanna do is transfer music.
pkvlive 6y ago
Is it better? Is Apple Music the "accepted" streaming platform now? Do they all suck in their own way? Or is there another platform that's the good one now? Http://pkvlive.com
bakerkretzmar 6y ago
https://savemyspot.ca/ https://savemyspot.ca/

377 points by bartoszhernas 6y ago

loopdoend 6y ago

Perfect, I have been wanting to get off of Spotify ever since they teamed up with Joe Rogan.

ddorian43 6y ago
... why ? Isn't Joe Rogan pro Bernie as an example ?
- calvano915 6y ago
  Unfortunately the longer time passes, Rogan is pro and against and in between on everything. He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. Its been incredibly disappointing that he has gotten so out of touch with the style and approach that gained him his podcast prestige.
  - ddorian43 6y ago
    Do you include the "trans" stuff here ?
    - calvano915 6y ago
      Sure, though his position hasn't changed much on trans. I've always agreed with him that people who switch genders shouldn't be treated equally when it comes to contact sports like UFC. He's just been more distasteful about discussing it over time IMO. If I had to sum up how Rogan has changed, he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything, and believe that everything always deserves criticism while rarely deserving to be taken seriously. Though age is a factor, I think his FU money and success has completely gotten to his head. I was a fan for years from about episode 50, but rarely listen/watch now. His exclusivity is not a factor keeping me subscribed if I consider leaving Spotify in the future.
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        > he reminds me of many older men who just start to become aholes to everyone and everything This smacks of ageism AND sexism, all at once! Congratulations, you've violated your own morality code. And you were SO close to the -ism hat trick, had you only referred to him as an "older white man" ;) It took a while for gay marriage to become broadly accepted. Trans is fighting the same battle now. He's a very typical older cismale and this population segment is, by and large, just not going to "get it" yet.
        calvano915 6y ago
        I don't think it's just confined to white older men, rather old men generally as I stated. Not an absolute either, as I stated "many" and not "all". I'm not going to pretend that the majority of progressive minds are concentrated in the older populace, because constantly I find life experience to demonstrate otherwise. I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. I think everyone deserves to be treated with decency and respect, while also believing there is plenty to discuss about the moral and ethical aspects of hormone treatment (particularly during childhood), genderless bathrooms, etc.
        pmarreck 6y ago
        > I'm not sure what there is to "get" about trans. There are questions that are easy to answer that you have touched on such as bathrooms (just make them all solo and genderless), and decency/respect (give it to everyone, obviously). There are also FAR more difficult questions to answer such as, how to treat the gender separation in sports and where trans fits in there “fairly”? What to do if there is post-surgery regret? Why can a person consent to a drastic and permanent gender/sex change operation (the effects of some hormones at certain ages is irreversible) while being unable to consent to sex itself? (this is not an appeal to pedophilia as much as it is one of non-hypocrisy).
  - pmarreck 6y ago
    > He's been much more receptive to right leaning perspectives and more critical to extreme left, but also much less critical to the extreme right and much less tolerant of left leaning. So your argument is basically "this person is somewhere else on the political spectrum than I am, therefore he must be cancelled from Spotify"?
    - calvano915 6y ago
      So, I didn't say anything about cancelling Rogan from Spotify. I think Spotify overspent on him but I could care less that they did. And my argument is that Rogan used to lean left in his own views, but was tolerant overall for the majority of the bell curve. Now, Rogan has shifted rightward personally, but has abandoned giving due time and thought to much of the left side of the bell curve. He's more narrow minded and quick to criticize what were previously ideas and arguments that deserved to be taken seriously (and still do).
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        Were the criticisms rational, or merely distasteful?
costcopizza 6y ago
Interesting. Do you apply this to all platforms? If a supermarket sells products that you like, alongside products you don't like, do you stop shopping there?
- paulcole 6y ago
  Believe it or not you don’t have to apply the most extreme form of your belief system across every aspect of your life. I eat a plant based diet but I still shop at a grocery store that has a butcher counter, for example.
- alkonaut 6y ago
  Not the GP, but yes, definitely. If a store or brand has collaborations with the wrong people etc., that's definitely a reason to not shop there. I don't find Joe Rogan terrible enough to cancel my spotify subscription, but if they started collaborating with say Alex Jones, I'd find another streaming service in a heartbeat.
  - MeinBlutIstBlau 6y ago
    One day you'll grow up and realize over half the things you buy have something immoral attached to it.
  - tomjen3 6y ago
    Alex Jones has been on Joe Rogan.
    - alkonaut 6y ago
      Yes, which is one reason I dislike Rogan. However, Spotify and Jones aren't in direct business (making money off their business deal together). I'm fine with Spotify and Rogan doing business. It's not that I go around worrying about what's said in every song and podcast on Spotify, it's rather whether I agree with Spotify's business practices or not. I wish Spotify told Rogan to stop having conspiracy theorists on his show (unless they are critically exposed), but I don't consider Alex Jones as being a part of Spotify's business model because he is a guest in one of their pods.
pmarreck 6y ago
Except that there is nothing wrong with Joe Rogan. Not liking someone (or one of their guests) is a really terrible and irrational reason to not use an entire platform.
- matthewmacleod 6y ago
  Feeling that a platform invests in or promotes dangerous or harmful content is a totally valid reason to want to use that platform less, or to stop giving them money. Really super strange that you don’t immediately see that.
  - pmarreck 6y ago
    Please show me where Rogan promotes "dangerous or harmful content". Also show how mere information can be harmful. Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      > Also show how mere information can be harmful. Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes. > Reading "Mein Kampf" won't turn me into a Nazi, but it might make me understand Nazism better. There are substantially better ways to understand Nazism than reading Mein Kampf.
      - pmarreck 6y ago
        > Any scenario where critical context is left out, like "some vaccines contain mercury, a deadly neurotoxin!" memes Fair rebuttal, although in a population that has been taught how to think critically (not ours, unfortunately), this might be far less of an issue

funcDropShadow 6y ago

Doesn't the GDPR require that users have the ability to download their data?

jbverschoor 6y ago
Yup. in a usable and machine processable format.
- bimusiek 6y ago
  Spotify can argue that they allow it per user request and they do have control over their public API. And they exercise their option to block unwanted services to use their API. Shitty, but theoretically legal.
  - imglorp 6y ago
    The service in question from OP is not using Spotify's API so no license applied. It sounds like they're automating/scraping, which in the US at least, was just ruled legal.[1] Of course, that puts scraper and scrapee into a leapfrog contest. As OP points out, the best defense against customers leaving is to actually listen to them and please them. In this area, while Spotify might have a giant catalog, they are blatantly tormenting users by removing obvious, simple, features demanded by the thousands of votes on their forum. 1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2019/09/10/linkedin-data-scraping-ruled-legal/#63de0f6f1b54 https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2019/09/10/linke...
cryptixvi 6y ago
Based on the article - I wouldn't be surprised if they complied by providing you a SHA256 hash for every song in your playlist.
- toper-centage 6y ago
  They do give you you a list of playlists containing song titles and artists.

Hnrobert42 6y ago

This seems less like an article and more like an advertisement.

SirAiedail 6y ago
No surprise there. It is very common for startups or small to mid-sized companies to start a blog as a companion for their product, with articles of the schema "Very broad description of some common problem/need, followed by very specific guides - often times even step-by-step - on how to use their product to deal with said problem/need." It widens the spectrum of keywords that they can be found with a lot and thereby increases traffic to their main page and product.
- Fogest 6y ago
  I've run into these so often. I'll be searching for a solution to a problem and I notice a "tutorial" but it on the site of a product that's name implies it is related to "fixing" the problem. And yep, as soon as I start reading the tutorial I can see they are going to say to use their product and explain how to use it. It gets rather annoying seeing these when I know there are free solutions.

tapland 6y ago

There are some problems like this that I’ve ended up solving with a scrolling capture screenshot (ShareX on Windows) and the first fitting google result for an OCR service.

Fogest 6y ago
Man I have been using ShareX for quite a while and didn't even realize they had that scrolling capture feature. I just keep finding their tool more and more useful. I like your approach to getting your playlists out. I just used https://exportify.net/ https://exportify.net/ and it gave me all my playlists in a CSV format with lots of information on each track such as things like genre. I feel like maybe this option may be a bit more useful to you if you want that kind of extra information.

DangerousPie 6y ago

I have been looking to move away from Spotify for a while now due to their lacklustre support for iOS devices. Is there a good comparison between Spotify, Apple Music and Amazon Prime Music somewhere, especially in terms of their coverage?

disgu 6y ago
Are there any big differences between iOS and Android versions?
- csunbird 6y ago
  Well, for starters, they do not support Apple Watch, which is very problematic for me.
  - WanderPanda 6y ago
    The support Apple Watch, just not downloading songs for offline usage, right?
    - csunbird 6y ago
      It just works as a remote control for whatever device that you are currently playing the song.
    - m-p-3 6y ago
      which is basically a no-go with abysmal data plans in Canada. Why do we need to rely on mobile data so much anyway..
    - matthewmacleod 6y ago
      No. The Spotify app on the Apple Watch is a remote control for managing other devices and cannot stream songs independently. It’s insanely frustrating.
  - pmarreck 6y ago
    Do any of the other cloud music providers?

csunbird 6y ago

Funnily, they recommend Spotify as the best music streaming platform here: https://freeyourmusic.com/en/blog/best-music-streaming-platform https://freeyourmusic.com/en/blog/best-music-streaming-platf...

bimusiek 6y ago
That is from February 10th
- dr_orpheus 6y ago
  Yeah but they still linked it in the article "If you wish to migrate out of Spotify, you can move to the following music services...And if you’re still deciding which music provider to choose, take a look at our comparison of the best streaming platforms in 2020." The last sentence is linked to that article that says Spotify is their #1 choice.

Tipewryter 6y ago

It would probably be easy to write a bookmarklet that extracts your music into csv. Then you can save it and upload it to wherever you like. You probably would have to write a second little script to convert the csv into the format of the service you want to upload it to.

marketingPro 6y ago

Need this for Google play/youtube music. Worst case I use OCR/mechanical turks in the future because I took screenshots.

jimcsharp 6y ago
You can get a pretty good csv dump of your play music profile through Google's general data export tool. Their migration to YouTube music is a good opportunity to see what else is out there. I'm leaning towards prime music, since they're a buck cheaper if you have prime (who doesn't?)
- mattmanser 6y ago
  I dumped mine due to the impending shutdown. I only had a quick look, but the data format looked atrocious. I'm not sure you could actually do it worse, mine was a folder for every playlist, with a CSV for each song. Trivial for me as a programmer to reformat, but useless for the general public.
  - jimcsharp 6y ago
    I can only assume that was an aggressive answer to "what if their playlist is, like, REALLY big?"
tandr 6y ago
I have used https://soundiiz.com/ https://soundiiz.com/ a month ago to transfer all my music lists from Google to Spotify (yeah, the irony...) after many years of having music subscription with them. I just cannot stand the quality drop (and build-for-cheap-tv normalization levels) of sound on Youtube Music.
- scottmcdot 6y ago
  Agree, irregular volume levels on YouTube Music between songs is really frustrating. And some even sound like MP3 rips of MP3 rips.

blunte 6y ago

I haven't studied the fine print on this service, but I wonder about the (high?) value of knowing a person's music tastes in this level of detail. I have hundreds of playlists on spotify, and I bet you can state a lot of things about me by knowing what music I like.

tareqak 6y ago
Spotify has access to this information, so isn't that also a concern?
- blunte 6y ago
  It's not generally a concern to me; I was just considering the potential monetary value of that in relation to the FreeYourMusic fee.
zimmund 6y ago
Last.fm allows you to track your whole listening history (and you can export it or play with their API). I agree it could be interesting to infer something valuable from what a person likes (musically), but I don't know if there's much to read between the lines other than "if user likes artist X probably will like artist Y". You may infer my location (from local artists listened), and from that paired with timestamps you could tell some of my habits (work, school, commuting). Personal taste can hint an age group and gender as well, but it wouldn't be precise at all. Perhaps mood? I don't see much value on that info, compared to what you can gather from navigation history, messages or other services.
djeiasbsbo 6y ago
Just a tought I've had but what if it will actually reveal more insights about their recommendation and curation algorithms than about your music taste? This data would be more interesting over time. What new artists have been added to the playlists and have any new songs from already known artists been missed...

selykg 6y ago

I'm one of those speak with my wallet kind of people. So when I seen news of this yesterday I wrote into their support saying I was not pleased with it. Their response was some random canned response about how you can still export your data. I'm not a fan of lock in, and I'm even less thrilled about not actually responding to my actual questions and instead giving me some canned BS. I responded back telling them thanks for not even reading my question and responding with a canned response, then asked for instructions on how to delete my account. I haven't heard back. For what it's worth I wasn't rude in any of this, I was straight and to the point, but I was not rude. Now they seem to be simply ignoring me. I'm definitely not spending my money with this service any more. I used to feel a tiny bit sad for them competing with Apple and their whole complaint against Apple and payment stuff. But after seeing this shitty set of responses from them I just no longer care, it feels like they've brought at least some of this on themselves. As a sidenote, I'm sort of fed up with customer support in general these days. Snippeted answers are great when they make sense. I.e. a user is asking a simple question, you can take the approach of some personalization sprinkled with snippets to make your life easier and your messaging more consistent. But when you have an unhappy, or upset customer, the last thing you should do is throw in some canned response that doesn't even address their concerns.

sabellito 6y ago
It's a little surprising to me that you'd expect better customer support from a service with >248 million[1] monthly active users. Having worked for/with departments like this, they have to heavily optimise for their response rate, and use as many macros to respond as possible, which's probably your case as I'd assume that many customers contacted them with the same question. By all means, always speak with your wallet, but if you genuinely expect huge corporations to answer each request with a custom response, you will probably be disappointed often. [1] https://qz.com/1736762/spotify-grows-monthly-active-users-and-turns-profit-shares-jump-15-percent/ https://qz.com/1736762/spotify-grows-monthly-active-users-an...
- ISL 6y ago
  Most of the time I initiate contact with Amazon customer service, I seem to get a custom response. When pushy, I have gotten excellent custom responses. I expect Amazon does far more revenue/customer, though.

syshum 6y ago

Spotify has followed the same model as many other companies, like Netflix They are open with data, have good API's etc until they get market dominance then they stop supporting many of those same things. They have dropped their support for Linux Clients, they closed most of their API's, and various other things It is a repeating pattern with companies that are disrupting a market

m-p-3 6y ago
You scared me for a minute, I thought you said Spotify dropped their Linux client https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/ https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/
- dagurp 6y ago
  > Spotify for Linux is a labor of love from our engineers that wanted to listen to Spotify on their Linux development machines. They work on it in their spare time and it is currently not a platform that we actively support So for all we know they could drop support if an employee or two leave the company.
- syshum 6y ago
  They did, from the page "and it is currently not a platform that we actively support." it is a spare project from a few engineers, with no offical support from the company, if the few engineers that support it ever leave it is Dead and it was dead for several years before the engineer got enough support to be able to do it as an unoffical project.

zoltar 6y ago

I think something like this still works with a client id, secret, and a playlist: TOKEN=$(curl --basic --user $ID:$SECRET -X POST -d grant_type=client_credentials https://accounts.spotify.com/api/token | jq -r .access_token) curl -H "Authorization: Bearer $TOKEN" https://api.spotify.com/v1/playlists/$PLAYLIST/tracks | tee playlist-$PLAYLIST.json | jq -rc '.items[].track | "\(.artists[0].name) -- \(.name)"' | sort

hello_asdf 6y ago
It works, but the tracks api is limited to 100 max results, so you have to call it multiple times with offset for larger playlists [1]. [1] https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/reference-beta/#endpoint-get-playlists-tracks https://developer.spotify.com/documentation/web-api/referenc...
- cortesoft 6y ago
  Most APIs have page size limits.
  - hello_asdf 6y ago
    Yep, I was just noting it for anyone else that tried it and was curious.
- fao_ 6y ago
  Yes, that's pagination :) It should be possible to script that out too.
  - hello_asdf 6y ago
    Yep, it is, I was just noting it in case someone was wondering why it was being wonky after trying it out. I already did just to test it out, the results include a 'next' link that you can use :)
ebb_earl_co 6y ago
At least the TOKEN command was perfect for me, thank you! Instead of passing ID and SECRET, I wrote the values from the Spotify Developer Dashboard to a file like so: $ touch .spotify_credentials && chmod 600 .spotify_credentials then edited .spotify_credentials with client_id:client_secret, then $ curl --basic --user "$(cat .spotify_credentials)" -X POST -d grant_type=client_credentials https://accounts.spotify.com/api/token https://accounts.spotify.com/api/token which was successful

adnanh 6y ago

Funny how they didn't vet the generated content: https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify

maeln 6y ago
What do you mean ? Being able to transfer from one service to the same service is still practical. It allow you to transfer playlist from one account to the other.
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ewelina_fym 6y ago
We still support migrating to Spotify. We want people to be able to migrate FROM and TO any music service. They get to decide what platform they want to be on. And yes, you can import your songs between accounts on the same platform.
- bartoszhernas 6y ago
  You can even do a Spotify "Liked Songs" to the same account of Spotify as playlist, and then you can finally share the Liked Songs as a playlist to your friends :) If this sounds interesting feel free to ping me at twitter @bartosz

CivBase 6y ago

This sort of nonsense is why I switched to a self-hosted Emby media server.

therealmarv 6y ago

Any github repositories and code which provide Spotify playlist->txt/csv/json/xml ? ANSWER to myself: Seems there is at least a simple drag&drop solution with the select all on desktop app -> LibreOffice https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-export-my-Spotify-playlist-as-a-text-file https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-export-my-Spotify-playlist-as...

pensatoio 6y ago
From elsewhere in the comments: https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify
lambdatronics 6y ago
https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup
bakerkretzmar 6y ago
https://savemyspot.ca/ https://savemyspot.ca/

CravingLogic 6y ago

If you just want a csv of all your playlists right now, instead of potentially "30 days". This repo works well. https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify https://github.com/pavel-aicradle/exportify

lambdatronics 6y ago
See also https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup https://github.com/caseychu/spotify-backup. Looks like Exportify is more polish, though.

harsha930 6y ago

Spotify is so much better than apple music, and this is probably minimal compared to what apple music does to convert/retain users from Spotify. Think of all the barriers apple music has created (apple watch app for a long time was the only one that supported offline, apple music is preinstalled, when you hit play and no apps are currently playing it will go to apple music, probably much more). My main thought though is that Spotify is much better anyway, why give people the ability to export their curated playlists and use somewhere else. They’ve built that service that helped you discover all those songs — if you created all those playlists from scratch with no help from Spotify’s algorithm (discover/recommendations) good for you but I doubt that’s most people.

eli 6y ago
The fact that it may have better features or that other services also have lock-in does not in any way excuse this behavior from Spotify. It's anti-user and they should stop.
phantomathkg 6y ago
No matter how good a service is, it does not give them the right to hold you hostage.
jabroni_salad 6y ago
Personally, I want to have a text backup of all my playlists. If my Spotify disappeared into the aether tomorrow, it would be a lot of pain. Not completely awful -- I follow a lot of my favorite bands on Youtube, and I buy physical releases occasionally too, but my connection to every artist that I can't name off the top of my head will have been lost. I've been a spotify customer for years and I plan to continue that, but I also am not planning on letting my playlists go silently into the night.
jeanofthedead 6y ago
Idk. I prefer AM's recommendations, integration with ATV4K, HomePods, lyrics, music videos, separation of music and podcasts, and audio fidelity.

fsflover 6y ago

Consider using bandcamp.com if you want to "vote with your wallet".

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Vespasian 6y ago

I guess I'm lucky that this particular problem is not one that bothers me much. My playlists tend to be a) quite short ~30 songs I listen on repeat until the mood changes and / or work requires a different rhythm and b) are not that many. Only around 10 in active use at any time. I tend to delete older lists to not clutter "my library" This leads me to the conclusion that a one time (GDPR) data dump would be sufficient to migrate the data over time. Since Music is quite fungible, the one benefit Spotify offers over other services is their recommendation engine which is arguably better than the competition.

Fogest 6y ago
This is actually part of the problem I have. I only really have a few artists I may listen to on a more frequent basis, but other than that I am usually just using random playlists from Spotify that fit my mood rather than spending time making my own. However I have been having a couple issues. Everything was working fine, but then I started using Spotify at the gym almost daily for workout music. The music genres I like to listen to while working out are vastly different from what I listen to at home. To further compound this problem I often listen to podcasts in the car and don't listen to Spotify much at home. So a good chunk of my usage of Spotify is listening to music at the gym. As such my recommendations are complete garbage. I don't care to be suggested music related to gym music as I just pull up random playlists anyway. But what I do want is suggestions for what to listen to when I am at home. Problem is that Spotify has no incognito mode or any way to tell it to "ignore this from recommendations". That was actually one of the biggest draws for me was using stuff like "Discover Weekly" and the "Made for you" stuff. But now it is essentially useless for me. Now I have been trying to transition to Plexamp as I already use Plex. My problem is that now I have zero suggestions of what new songs to acquire and I feel stuck.

Confiks 6y ago

So the other day Spotify decided to block API access to SongShift [1], which used their API to transfer playlists to other services. By doing that, they removed a method which was valid under GDPR article 20 subsection 2 to transfer personal data directly from one controller to another. FreeYouMusic is using another process without cooperation or consent from Spotify, and doesn't include all personal data. I've been exchanging emails with Spotify to demand that they re-enable the API or allow for some other method to transfer my personal data directly to another controller. So far they've just sent me boilerplate back telling me about their GDPR article 20 subsection 1 process. You can read the full conversation here [2]. I fully intend to file a complaint with the Dutch civil court if they don't allow me to exercise my rights under the law. It would be good to have some precedent here. As they've already shown it to be technically feasible (a requirement of the law), and enabling the process is literally a boolean away, I think such a complaint would have a high chance of success. Additionally, in my opinion their GDPR article 20 subsection 1 process is currently also in violation, because they take up to 30 days (counting 2 now) before emailing you the ZIP with your personal data. This is arguably "undue delay" (which is prohibited under the GDPR). If it comes to a case, removing this delay will certainly be part of the demands. [1] https://songshift.com/blog/spotify_transfers https://songshift.com/blog/spotify_transfers [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24764371 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24764371

eisa01 6y ago
Interesting! Will you update on the process on eg Twitter?
- Confiks 6y ago
  If this evolves further I might make a tiny website about the progress. In that case I'll put a link in my profile.
stjo 6y ago
Please keep us updated

InfinityByTen 6y ago

https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify https://freeyourmusic.com/en/transfer-spotify-to-spotify This is the best of the lot.

Splendor 6y ago
Isn't that the same site linked by this very post?
- robjan 6y ago
  GP was referring to the source and destination
didymospl 6y ago
Such transfer actually made perfect sense until recently because they didn't allow to change username. It was brought up on their forums numerous times[1][2] over the years and they only introduced editable profile name in March this year. Until then they advised to create a new account and ask their support by email(sic!) to have your playlists copied. [1] - https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/How-can-i-change-my-my-spotify-username/td-p/641928 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/How-can-i-change-m... [2] - https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/I-simply-want-to-change-my-profile-name/td-p/494634 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Accounts/I-simply-want-to-c...

1zael 6y ago

"For a limited time, you can redeem the code SPOTIFYSUCKS and get 42.069% off on all plans." - I applaud, you good sir. I applaud you.

dawnerd 6y ago

I’m just waiting for an open source solution. All these closed source payment requires apps kinda scare me with the permissions they need - Like you just know they’re hacked together scripts that are likely storing and transmitting your tokens in plain text.

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antihero 6y ago

Damn, just spent a fiver on Soundiiz, which is quite nice in all honesty. It did the trick! https://soundiiz.com/ https://soundiiz.com/

cafed00d 6y ago

Can confirm. This app works like a charm. I remember attempting to move over from Spotify to Apple Music in 2017. Used some other apps at that time. Didn’t work so well. So I gave up and used Spotify for a few years. And then switched afresh to Apple Music in 2019. Today, though, I found freeyourmusic and I was super impressed by their pricing. Figured I’d give it a shot and I am convinced this is the best $10 I have ever spent!

bloak 6y ago

I've not used any of these services but I'd be interested to know what the portable identifiers look like. Can anyone explain?

quattrofan 6y ago

Hilarious. You don't own shit with streaming, if you want to own buy mp3s or CDs and rip. You'll own it and it will sound vastly better especially if it's from a CD.

inportb 6y ago
The discussion is about playlists, not about streaming vs ripping shit.

codazoda 6y ago

This exact problem has prevented me from creating playlists in the first place. I'm a non-iphone Apple Music user, but the same still applies. I have no playlists because I assume I'll lose all that curation work someday. So, I just don't do it. I wonder how many others are the same way and how that negatively affects their revenue.

djeiasbsbo 6y ago
Totally understandable... because playlists are tricky. I have a medium sized local music library and up to a few months ago have used an iTunes-like app to manage it all. Then I decided to move my music library... everything was still in the same folder, just on a new server but the playlists were all empty. I certainly was a bit freaked out when I realised that the m3u playlist files contained absolute paths to every song, instead of relative paths. Turns out that the player/manager I had used did that by default... took me a few weeks to correct everything! I sometimes envy people with vinyl or cd collections, must be easier to deal with...

jokit 6y ago

These unnecessary proprietary networks/solutions keep trying to convince us to stop using them, and let them be irrelevant. I say we listen to them.

tbodt 6y ago

> For a limited time, you can redeem the code SPOTIFYSUCKS and get 42.069% off on all plans. Nice

slothtrop 6y ago

This, on top of songs disappearing from my playlists, rendered unavailable. I organize everything in foobar now, both local music and streaming playlists with the help of extensions. You can add Youtube sources to your playlists. Even if the links break, you can automatically fix them, keep the name and structure. Have not tried the app versions.

pelario 6y ago
Oh man, how do I wish a foobar that runs natively on Linux :(
- raffraffraff 6y ago
  It pains me to say it, but music apps on Linux are abysmal. The last one that wasn't completely crap was Amazon 1.4.
  - gdrift 6y ago
    MPD on linux + Android MPD client as the the GUI works well for me.
  - jraph 6y ago
    Clementine [1] is pretty cool. It does everything I need: - cross-fading between songs - a real queue that is separate from the playlist so you can program what plays next and in which order easily (CTRL+D to add / remove, and a advanced window can show the queue) - a remote control with an Android app - stop after this song - a giant search / filter bar. It does not has to have the focus to start searching, just type when Clementine is the active window - MPRIS integration (obviously) - several playlists open at the same time - the mood bar It also has: - tag editing - integration with many online services - a library handling that does not get in the way but full-featured anyway - support for removable media It's awesome. It could use some pretty some improvement for its look, but it is pretty decent and does the job. It's a fork and a continuation of Amarok 1.4. [1] https://clementine-player.org/ https://clementine-player.org/

jscholes 6y ago

> As we don’t use the official Spotify SDK, we’re not bound to their Terms of Service. I'm not sure how this can be true. Their terms of service specifically ban users from reverse engineering unofficial parts of the product. Either way, I'd be interested to know how it actually works.

burgerzzz 6y ago
Isn't there an online version of Spotify? Doesn't seem like it would be overly complex to login with the users credentials and scrape the data, much like how some of the federated banking APIs work.
LocalH 6y ago
You have to actually agree to the terms (either through website or SDK usage) in order to be bound by them. IANAL

crazygringo 6y ago

So if people are hating on Spotify now... ...what's the alternative? People hate Google, they hate Amazon... I remember people used to hate Apple Music years ago because it was missing tons of basic functionality. Is it better? Is Apple Music the "accepted" streaming platform now? Do they all suck in their own way? Or is there another platform that's the good one now?

avip 6y ago
idk. I'm listening to music on YT. Because on the only vertical I care about - can I actually find the damn music I'd like to hear - YT is miles ahead anything else. So God bless YT and its amazing, likely illegal in some abstract sense, music collection.
avhon1 6y ago
For a lot of the people you're asking here, the answer is probably "don't use a streaming platform to listen to music". That's why there's at least one subthread about recommended music-playing programs.
Tijdreiziger 6y ago
I'd like to try YouTube Music (mostly because it's included in my YouTube Premium plan), but it doesn't have an option to turn autoplay off (i.e. you can't just listen to one song), which is a dealbreaker for me.
amoshi 6y ago
I gave Deezer a try and I've been quite pleased. The main problem I had with Spotify was missing music from specific genres/countries. Deezer let's me upload my own mp3 files, which means it has the most complete catalogue for me that any service could have.
rtsil 6y ago
Google Play Music was perfect for my needs. Once it's closed, I'm going to test Qobuz and its CD-quality streams. It's probably either them or Deezer.
nixpulvis 6y ago

xtat 6y ago

spotify has chosen the "become you the thing you hate" path

arthtyagi 6y ago

https://soundiiz.com/pricing https://soundiiz.com/pricing This gives you exactly what they claim to work on without charging half as much. Basically, it's free if all you wanna do is transfer music.

pkvlive 6y ago

Is it better? Is Apple Music the "accepted" streaming platform now? Do they all suck in their own way? Or is there another platform that's the good one now? Http://pkvlive.com

bakerkretzmar 6y ago

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