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Let it sink in that East Palo Alto, former murder capital of USA has less crime per-capita than San Francisco. East Palo Alto is a shining example of how a tow

Let it sink in that East Palo Alto, former murder capital of USA has less crime per-capita than San Francisco. East Palo Alto is a shining example of how a township/city can clean up its streets in a short time period, by investing in the community. SF = 2018 was 690.89 per 100,000 population EPA = 2018 was 470.14 per 100,000 population Src: EPA = https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/east-palo-alto/crime-rate-statistics https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/east-palo-alto/crim... SF = https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/san-francisco/crime-rate-statistics https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/san-francisco/crime...

throw9872349872 6y ago
Wow.. so violent crime in SF has the same rate as death by covid19? Puts things into perspective..
- jameslk 6y ago
  Where are you getting your numbers for COVID-19 deaths for SF? Cumulative deaths in SF for COVID-19 is 123 so far according to https://data.sfgov.org/stories/s/COVID-19-Cases-and-Deaths/dak2-gvuj/ https://data.sfgov.org/stories/s/COVID-19-Cases-and-Deaths/d...
- foota 6y ago
  Those aren't death rates, they're the rate at which violent crimes are committed. Only some of which result in deaths.
- kwillets 6y ago
  Drug overdoses are far ahead of CoVid.
millstone 6y ago
I did not know that East Palo Alto had improved so much, that is great news! Can you recommend any articles on what specifically was done?
- pottertheotter 6y ago
  I'm pretty sure gentrification is the primary driver. You also have Ikea and Four Seasons within the city boundaries, and Facebook HQ right next door.
  - cobookman 6y ago
    Gentrification has a part, but so does the work of city & community leader. East Palo Alto became a city in 1983, before that the county handled the area's affairs...and given the smaller size/population it was not a primary focus. A lot of credit goes towards the police relationship - https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/02/how-east-palo-alto-shed-its-crime-rep-and-built-a-new-path-forward/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/02/how-east-palo-alto-sh...
  - gumby 6y ago
    Yes, there was a specific gentrification plan that included the Ikea/Home Depot complex and separately the Four Seasons Complex, but they appeared due to quite a lot of prior work. In the early 80s (82 or 84) they decided to incorporate on their own rather than join Menlo Park (they were just an unincorporated part of MP at the time, and still share a school district and, I believe, the fire district too). Calling the new town East Palo Alto (though Palo Alto itself is in a completely different county) was smart, despite earlier efforts to name the not yet incorporated place "Nairobi". They had been county land so had had only had a sheriff; but before the Whisky Gulch (where four seasons complex now stands) was built they already had a municipal police department. So yes you could say "gentrification" but it was a proactive policy by the city government. IIRC the last active farm in the city limits was sold after 2000, lasting longer than Mountain View or (except for stock) Palo Alto. The "murder capital" label was true only because the population wasn't high making the rate high. I personally never felt unsafe there though I only filled my car or got a coffee there.
  - nradov 6y ago
    Well Ikea plans to open a store in SF next year so I'm sure that will fix everything.
noodlenotes 6y ago
Did East Palo Alto actually turn things around, or did it just gentrify as housing prices in the nearby cities went up and up?
- nradov 6y ago
  That happened in the mid 1990s before the latest wave of gentrification.
- ponker 6y ago
  Does it matter? The city is now safe.
  - tupputuppu 6y ago
    Indeed. San Francisco of all places should have benefitted from the huge wave of gentrification, yet the outcomes point in the opposite direction.
nradov 6y ago
East Palo Alto also received significant law enforcement assistance from the state and neighboring cities. I wonder if SF leaders would want the CHP patrolling their streets? https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-01-09-1994009023-story.html https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-01-09-19940090...
redis_mlc 6y ago
EPA got gentrified over the past 20 years.

throw9872349872 6y ago

Wow.. so violent crime in SF has the same rate as death by covid19? Puts things into perspective..

jameslk 6y ago
Where are you getting your numbers for COVID-19 deaths for SF? Cumulative deaths in SF for COVID-19 is 123 so far according to https://data.sfgov.org/stories/s/COVID-19-Cases-and-Deaths/dak2-gvuj/ https://data.sfgov.org/stories/s/COVID-19-Cases-and-Deaths/d...
foota 6y ago
Those aren't death rates, they're the rate at which violent crimes are committed. Only some of which result in deaths.
kwillets 6y ago
Drug overdoses are far ahead of CoVid.

millstone 6y ago

I did not know that East Palo Alto had improved so much, that is great news! Can you recommend any articles on what specifically was done?

pottertheotter 6y ago
I'm pretty sure gentrification is the primary driver. You also have Ikea and Four Seasons within the city boundaries, and Facebook HQ right next door.
- cobookman 6y ago
  Gentrification has a part, but so does the work of city & community leader. East Palo Alto became a city in 1983, before that the county handled the area's affairs...and given the smaller size/population it was not a primary focus. A lot of credit goes towards the police relationship - https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/02/how-east-palo-alto-shed-its-crime-rep-and-built-a-new-path-forward/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/02/how-east-palo-alto-sh...
- gumby 6y ago
  Yes, there was a specific gentrification plan that included the Ikea/Home Depot complex and separately the Four Seasons Complex, but they appeared due to quite a lot of prior work. In the early 80s (82 or 84) they decided to incorporate on their own rather than join Menlo Park (they were just an unincorporated part of MP at the time, and still share a school district and, I believe, the fire district too). Calling the new town East Palo Alto (though Palo Alto itself is in a completely different county) was smart, despite earlier efforts to name the not yet incorporated place "Nairobi". They had been county land so had had only had a sheriff; but before the Whisky Gulch (where four seasons complex now stands) was built they already had a municipal police department. So yes you could say "gentrification" but it was a proactive policy by the city government. IIRC the last active farm in the city limits was sold after 2000, lasting longer than Mountain View or (except for stock) Palo Alto. The "murder capital" label was true only because the population wasn't high making the rate high. I personally never felt unsafe there though I only filled my car or got a coffee there.
- nradov 6y ago
  Well Ikea plans to open a store in SF next year so I'm sure that will fix everything.

noodlenotes 6y ago

Did East Palo Alto actually turn things around, or did it just gentrify as housing prices in the nearby cities went up and up?

nradov 6y ago
That happened in the mid 1990s before the latest wave of gentrification.
ponker 6y ago
Does it matter? The city is now safe.
- tupputuppu 6y ago
  Indeed. San Francisco of all places should have benefitted from the huge wave of gentrification, yet the outcomes point in the opposite direction.

nradov 6y ago

East Palo Alto also received significant law enforcement assistance from the state and neighboring cities. I wonder if SF leaders would want the CHP patrolling their streets? https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-01-09-1994009023-story.html https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-01-09-19940090...

redis_mlc 6y ago

EPA got gentrified over the past 20 years.