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The article is somewhat misleading. 1. The are raising prices from $12 to $20, not exactly "killing". But Google and "killing" in the same sentence is more att

by harikb 6y ago

The article is somewhat misleading. 1. The are raising prices from $12 to $20, not exactly "killing". But Google and "killing" in the same sentence is more attractive, I get it. 2. > have shown that Google has never enforced that limit. So they are enforcing a limit they didn't enforce before.

Dylan16807 6y ago
> The are raising prices from $12 to $20, not exactly "killing". But Google and "killing" in the same sentence is more attractive, I get it. If you have to have to work with a sales representative to buy it, and you have to make requests to google to get your quota increased, those are some significant barriers. It's fair to consider that a distinct offering and not just a price change. Also if this page is accurate then you need to pay $100 just to be able to request more storage. https://workspace.google.com/terms/user_features.html https://workspace.google.com/terms/user_features.html > So they are enforcing a limit they didn't enforce before. This is a new limit that applies for any number of users. If you had 5 or more users, it's a significant change in terms.
- adkadskhj 6y ago
  Also the notion of requesting more storage in an unlimited buy is a no-go anyway for me. Don't try to sell me unlimited something and then get weird when i use it as labeled. Ugh.
  - warrenq 6y ago
    When entities sell/promise unlimited, they expect some good faith behavior from the users. When your neighbor says, you can borrow my tools anytime he expects some good faith from you. You cannot go to his home everyday and borrow every tool and claim, but you said "anytime" Your local park also offers unlimited playground time. But if you start practically living there and start hogging the slides 100% of the time, there needs to be new rules. That's how society works. Can't believe this needs to be explained.
    - pessimizer 6y ago
      No, that's how marketing works. There's no need to promise infinite anything. And the comparisons to borrowing things or being given things for free are weird. Google isn't your friend or benefactor, Google is entering into a commercial relationship with you. I can't believe that this needs to be explained. If I say you can come and borrow my tools anytime, the first time you come over to borrow my tools I can tell you to leave my property or I'm going to call law enforcement. I'm not obligated to you in any way.
    - thatguy0900 6y ago
      This isn't a goodwill issue, Google isn't a charity. This is a product they sell for a profit. They are selling something, unlimited storage, and getting mad when people use it as unlimited storage. If they can't make a profit doing that, which they obviously can't, then they shouldnt advertise it as such. Why am I supposed to take pity on the plight of Googles marketing department?
      - tw04 6y ago
        Because you're ruining it for everyone. You're the guy that goes into the bathroom at a rest stop (in Europe, where you pay to use them), smears feces all over the wall, then proclaims "It's a public bathroom that I paid good money to enter, they didn't say what was and wasn't acceptable behavior in the bathroom". The fact that they didn't explicitly tell you not to store 8PB of data on a service that costs $12/mo doesn't preclude you using COMMON SENSE. "But nobody told me" stopped being an excuse when you were in preschool.
        thatguy0900 6y ago
        Except the advertising for the bathroom in this case says pay $12 and smear feces as much as you want. Thats what google did. They said unlimited.
        tw04 6y ago
        Not even a little bit. Google is advertising "public restroom" and you're saying "well they didn't actually say I had to go IN THE TOILET". No, they didn't say that, because they expected you to use basic common sense. You link me to Google suggesting people setup a 24/7 cam stream rip dumping directly to their drive and I'll go ahead and concede it's the equivalent of "please smear feces on our walls". Spend 5 minutes on r/datahoarder and you see people writing scripts to bypass built-in upload limits to try to gently impose "social norms" on people. Just don't be that guy...
- johncolanduoni 6y ago
  You don’t have to work with a sales rep to switch to enterprise: it’s not one of those “call for a price” tiers (at least it wasn’t a few months ago when I switched an account to it).
  - cmurphycode 6y ago
    That's correct. But the new, Google-involved behavior is that for 5+ users (which was previously "unlimited"): " Customers that have 5 or more End Users will receive a total amount of Google Drive storage equal to 5TB times the number of End Users, with more storage available at Google's discretion upon reasonable request to Google. " That is new behavior, and rubbing some people the wrong way. I think the more curious thing is how long will they grandfather in the existing Gsuite users to the old, "unlimited" behavior. If they do that for long enough, at least it wouldn't feel like a bait-and-switch.
  - andreicek 6y ago
    I'm not finding this option anywhere. Can you please link it?
- deleted 6y ago
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by harikb 6y ago

Dylan16807 6y ago

> The are raising prices from $12 to $20, not exactly "killing". But Google and "killing" in the same sentence is more attractive, I get it. If you have to have to work with a sales representative to buy it, and you have to make requests to google to get your quota increased, those are some significant barriers. It's fair to consider that a distinct offering and not just a price change. Also if this page is accurate then you need to pay $100 just to be able to request more storage. https://workspace.google.com/terms/user_features.html https://workspace.google.com/terms/user_features.html > So they are enforcing a limit they didn't enforce before. This is a new limit that applies for any number of users. If you had 5 or more users, it's a significant change in terms.

adkadskhj 6y ago
Also the notion of requesting more storage in an unlimited buy is a no-go anyway for me. Don't try to sell me unlimited something and then get weird when i use it as labeled. Ugh.
- warrenq 6y ago
  When entities sell/promise unlimited, they expect some good faith behavior from the users. When your neighbor says, you can borrow my tools anytime he expects some good faith from you. You cannot go to his home everyday and borrow every tool and claim, but you said "anytime" Your local park also offers unlimited playground time. But if you start practically living there and start hogging the slides 100% of the time, there needs to be new rules. That's how society works. Can't believe this needs to be explained.
  - pessimizer 6y ago
    No, that's how marketing works. There's no need to promise infinite anything. And the comparisons to borrowing things or being given things for free are weird. Google isn't your friend or benefactor, Google is entering into a commercial relationship with you. I can't believe that this needs to be explained. If I say you can come and borrow my tools anytime, the first time you come over to borrow my tools I can tell you to leave my property or I'm going to call law enforcement. I'm not obligated to you in any way.
  - thatguy0900 6y ago
    This isn't a goodwill issue, Google isn't a charity. This is a product they sell for a profit. They are selling something, unlimited storage, and getting mad when people use it as unlimited storage. If they can't make a profit doing that, which they obviously can't, then they shouldnt advertise it as such. Why am I supposed to take pity on the plight of Googles marketing department?
    - tw04 6y ago
      Because you're ruining it for everyone. You're the guy that goes into the bathroom at a rest stop (in Europe, where you pay to use them), smears feces all over the wall, then proclaims "It's a public bathroom that I paid good money to enter, they didn't say what was and wasn't acceptable behavior in the bathroom". The fact that they didn't explicitly tell you not to store 8PB of data on a service that costs $12/mo doesn't preclude you using COMMON SENSE. "But nobody told me" stopped being an excuse when you were in preschool.
      - thatguy0900 6y ago
        Except the advertising for the bathroom in this case says pay $12 and smear feces as much as you want. Thats what google did. They said unlimited.
        tw04 6y ago
        Not even a little bit. Google is advertising "public restroom" and you're saying "well they didn't actually say I had to go IN THE TOILET". No, they didn't say that, because they expected you to use basic common sense. You link me to Google suggesting people setup a 24/7 cam stream rip dumping directly to their drive and I'll go ahead and concede it's the equivalent of "please smear feces on our walls". Spend 5 minutes on r/datahoarder and you see people writing scripts to bypass built-in upload limits to try to gently impose "social norms" on people. Just don't be that guy...
johncolanduoni 6y ago
You don’t have to work with a sales rep to switch to enterprise: it’s not one of those “call for a price” tiers (at least it wasn’t a few months ago when I switched an account to it).
- cmurphycode 6y ago
  That's correct. But the new, Google-involved behavior is that for 5+ users (which was previously "unlimited"): " Customers that have 5 or more End Users will receive a total amount of Google Drive storage equal to 5TB times the number of End Users, with more storage available at Google's discretion upon reasonable request to Google. " That is new behavior, and rubbing some people the wrong way. I think the more curious thing is how long will they grandfather in the existing Gsuite users to the old, "unlimited" behavior. If they do that for long enough, at least it wouldn't feel like a bait-and-switch.
- andreicek 6y ago
  I'm not finding this option anywhere. Can you please link it?
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