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It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.
by mannykannot 6y ago
It tells us that the people who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues.
- gambiting 6y agoI think preventing your car from being stolen is an extremely basic issue - it's a risk that exists at the back of your mind constantly when you drive an expensive vehicle, so yeah, I'm glad the car does this. The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal.
- callamdelaney 6y agoI agree with gambiting. Yeah, it sucks, but just tow your car outside and turn it on again. These things exist for a reason. If it had really been stolen, and there was the work around of 'oh, there's no signal so we'll let the car start and drive off' - then a thief could permanently jam that signal, or remove the electronic device responsible for receiving that signal. E.g, it's not perfect but it is secure.
- danparsonson 6y ago> ...just toe your car outside... Hehe I wouldn't normally pick up on typos but this a great one - "tow" your car outside, unless maybe you're planning to kick it out there :-)
- callamdelaney 6y agoThanks, fixed!
- jessaustin 6y agoDon't know about the mass of this particular car, but I once started an Integra with a dead battery by "skateboarding" it: pushing with the driver's door open and then scooting in to throw it into third once I had enough momentum.
- VBprogrammer 6y agoI once came across a couple of people trying to do that with their car on my way home from the pub. Problem was neither of them had any clue how to do it properly. I jumped into the drivers seat and had it running a few moments later. Only a little while later did it occur to me that what I did was probably illegal in at least 3 different ways.
- HeyLaughingBoy 6y agoIf it makes you feel any better, a strange woman talked me into climbing into her van at 2AM through an open window to open the door because she had locked the keys inside. In my defense, I did ask the gas station attendant if he thought it was her car...
- VBprogrammer 6y agoJust tow your car outside sounds like a recipe for losing half a day trying to organise that. Additionally, even average cars these days tend to have removable towing eyes with easily damaged plastic blanking plugs. The chance of damaging an expensive car doing this seems very high. Especially trying to drag it out of an underground car park. If I owned a towing company I'd take a hard pass on that job.
- callamdelaney 6y agoI guess if you've got a Ferarri it's a problem for your PA.
- gambiting 6y agoLike I said in another comment - this just seems like a standard auto alarm trigger, most alarms will disable the car until they are reset. The only thing that makes it stand out here is that normally thanks to the mobile link Ferrari can reset it remotely. If it didn't have that the car would be equally "bricked" and it wouldn't be a story at all.
- sokoloff 6y agoExotics are towed all the time. Many exotic rental companies prefer to tow the car for every delivery and pickup. Many owners tow their cars to shows and rallies. (This all seems stupid to me, but I don't own an exotic, so maybe they know something I don't.)
- gambiting 6y agoYou're talking about towing on a trailer, which is indeed pretty common. Towing by the eyelet is not.
- sokoloff 6y agoThat's how they're winched onto the flatbed though anytime they're broken. The manufacturer provides that eyelet to prevent damage to suspension parts from using straps on a "bad" spot.
- blackbrokkoli 6y agoOP updated, towing (which is not easy with an activated e-brake) it outside did not work. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qnh3/final_update_and_there_it_goes_boys_a_true_marvel/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago> The situation in here is more like "haha, ok, we just need to tow this thing out of the garage and try again" - no big deal. No big deal when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're in a parking garage. Rather more of a life-threatening defect when the reason you can't get a signal is that you're driving through an unpopulated desert where there are no cell towers or other people.
- rrdharan 6y agoI think you'd have to be kind of nuts (or filming a Top Gear episode, not mutually exclusive) to be driving a Ferrari through an unpopulated desert.
- AnthonyMouse 6y agoMaybe, but what do you say when they put the same anti-theft system in a Land Rover, or just the regular cars that the people who live or work in sparsely populated deserts drive?
- gambiting 6y ago>> people who live in sparsely populated deserts drive? Well, by the very definition, there can't be that many people there - so unfortunately they will have to buy something else, or discuss it with their dealership before they purchase the car. When I got my current car(2020 Volvo XC60) the dealership did warn me that if I don't have signal many features in the vehicle won't be available(no idea if it would "brick" itself if I tried repairing it in the middle of a desert, but I'm not interested in finding out).
- shakna 6y agoOr just driving the Nullarbor or any other number of very large stretches of road, where someone can experience a high performance car, that tend to be remote and have pretty poor signal. And before you say that's insane... You'll find plenty of video evidence on Youtube and places like it that this happens. In fact, McLaren sent a car themselves. And yes, the Nullarbor can be very dangerous if you break down, and there are vast swathes of it with no phone signal, because maintaining anything out there is a losing battle.
- smileysteve 6y ago> it's a risk that exists at the back of your mind constantly when you drive an expensive vehicle Perhaps due to poor risk analysis or value. Statistically the Honda Civic and Toyota Camry are much more likely to be stolen; stealing an expensive vehicle is problematic in 1) Security Features 2) Conspicuous to drive 3) Conspicuous to fence 4) Insurance spends more money to find it 5) (in some cases) difficulty to drive.
- sudosysgen 6y agoBayes strikes again. Just because the Civic and Camry are the most stolen vehicles doesn't mean that they are more likely to get stolen than an exotic car.
- reaperducer 6y agopeople who are designing these things are not considering some of the most basic issues Is replacing the seats in your car basic?
- gameswithgo 6y agoyes
- mywittyname 6y agoOP clarifies in the thread that this was for a child seat installation. And I think that qualifies as something that's pretty basic.
- Sebb767 6y agoIn a Honda Accord, yes. In a Ferrari, though?
- comeonseriously 6y agoRich people don't have babies? Heck, now-a-days they're the only ones can truly afford them.
- Scoundreller 6y agoSome might argue it's the Accord owner that has the money left to raise one (or will maintain enough money left).
- recursive 6y agoRich people do have babies, just not as many. And they can afford a reasonable car to put a carseat in. In addition to the Ferrari.
- dharmab 6y agoThat's exactly what the owner did- they went and got their Maserati https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qnh3/final_update_and_there_it_goes_boys_a_true_marvel/g8lcwxw/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...
- fermienrico 6y agoCan you write software of medium scale that is 100% bug free? Edit: My point is - We shouldn't be making smart cars and TVs because there are always going to be bugs that are not forceable and can cause your device to brick. I wouldn't want a smart microwave or coffee maker.
- TLightful 6y agoAlways.
- ukj 6y agoWould you prefer it if the system was designed to failed open? e.g you could override the security system with a signal jammer.
- coliveira 6y agoI think the design is correct. If somebody is dismantling the car it should shut down.
- vaccinator 6y agoMakes me wonder what they forgot to consider in the network security department...
- nomel 6y agoFrom the original thread [1], which people should probably read: > The fact it had no signal at the time of the tamper safeguard being triggered meant that remote recovery wasn't an option, even when we moved it into the open. Idk, an extra layer of theft protection I suppose. 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qnh3/final_update_and_there_it_goes_boys_a_true_marvel/?sort=qa https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/j9qn...
- outworlder 6y agoThis makes total sense, honestly. Jamming a signal would be indeed best done at the time of the (attempted) intrusion.
- nomel 6y agoYeah, I imagine their security team would have a very unique perspective on this. I imagine it was implemented this way as a response to thefts they saw in the past/envisioned.
- jedimastert 6y agoNot necessarily. Let's consider this for a second. Having some kind of backup would probably be easier than breaking whatever encryption they're using, and something like this would be a "weakest link" scenario, so anything you put would probably decrease in security. Besides that, don't really want something a technician can just bring to you, because anything like that can be stolen or sold, so you were probably gonna have to tow it anyways. I have no clue if that's anywhere close to the actual decisions, but it's not super hard to come up with a thought process that leads to the conclusion that the possible inconvenience of being even more stuck than usual when your car is stolen in a place where you don't have cell service is better than the security reduction of having a backup anti-anti-theft mechanism