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I don't believe it at all and there's plenty of evidence to the contrary that people can find for themselves. That's my honest opinion and you are entitled to

I don't believe it at all and there's plenty of evidence to the contrary that people can find for themselves. That's my honest opinion and you are entitled to yours, fairly sure no one will ever know for certain. There's a journalist that went deep diving on this and came out with the same conclusion, from timelines to stylometric analysis, it doesn't add up to being Hal. He's just that guy who actually listened on the mailing list rather than be the snarky one where everyone else nods in agreement congratulating themselves how smart they are. In the last years of his abled life, the man was getting involved in whatever cutting edge technology he could find, most of this is documented, nearly all of them failed, except for twitter and bitcoin. He's now cryopreserved, something that has virtually no chance of ever succeeding in the next 1000 years, yet...

nobrains 6y ago
My guesstimate is Nick Szabo.
- bhaak 6y ago
  If you look at Szabo's twitter feed these days, I surely hope he isn't. Luckily, there is not that much that points towards him being Satoshi: https://archive.is/N3rYx https://archive.is/N3rYx https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/12/16/no-nick-szabo-wasnt-satoshi-in-2014-either/ https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/12/16/no-nick-szab...
  - svd4anything 6y ago
    His twitter feed is very libertarian and Austrian economics themed. That doesn’t surprise me at all, should it?
    - CydeWeys 6y ago
      He says he hopes it isn't him, not that it lends evidence against it.
      - svd4anything 6y ago
        I understand but that’s a strange hope a bit based on his twitter bring too right-wing or libertarian than he would prefer, yet those beliefs are actually very consistent with a lot of Satoshi’s known leanings and beliefs. The block zero comment is pretty libertarian for example and many of his comments on email lists are also. So it’s a bit illogical for the OP to hope for otherwise.
        mhluongo 6y ago
        I'm a libertarian Bitcoiner myself, and I hope it's not Szabo. You can be right libertarian without being a xenophobe or an outright racist.
        svd4anything 6y ago
        I guess I missed the xenophobia and racism in his twitter feed. That wouldn’t surprise me however I’m just not sure what you are referring to specifically.
        someguydave 6y ago
        you can also be right libertarian without demeaning others with modern-day heresy accusations
    - seibelj 6y ago
      Expecting Satoshi not to be libertarian is like expecting Karl Marx not to be socialist. Satoshi devoted his life to creating uncensorable money outside of government control!
      - nix23 6y ago
        >Karl Marx not to be socialist He was not a socialist, he was a Marxist. It's like expecting that Windows and Linux are Operating-systems and by that completely the same.
        orhmeh09 6y ago
        On what basis are you making this claim? Karl Marx often called himself a socialist but he explicitly denied being a Marxist.
    - api 6y ago
      Fascism != libertarianism It mystifies me how /pol ideology gets called libertarian. I remember when words meant things.
      - deleted 6y ago
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    - drngdds 6y ago
      Libertarian? He has the Blue Lives Matter flag as his header.
      - adventured 6y ago
        In the 1970s there were lots of libertarians that were marxists or socialists, they saw no conflict in the terms because libertarian is such a loosely defined term that it can encompass almost anything you care to stuff into it. Even today libertarianism has no strict prescription, the political movement takes all manner of refugee into it. In discussions I routinely run across libertarians that believe in fully functional centralized government judicial and policing systems; on the flip side, I also run across libertarians that are more of the anarchy wing and believe in private police systems. What does liberty mean to you? That's all libertarianism actually is, and that has always plagued the movement. If forcibly implemented marxism means liberty or freedom to you, good enough, you can call yourself a libertarian now if you see fit. The Hayek wing will always disagree with that, however their disagreement is also entirely irrelevant as they don't have much control over the term or the movement.
        jahaja 6y ago
        Well, that shouldn't be that surprising since the term was Socialist in its beginning before the current US right-wing tendencies co-opted it to mean Propertarianism.
  - justinmeiners 6y ago
    > hope he isn't You wish he was more like you? This is a good reason why he hid his identity. Any real person would be more disappointing then the legend constructed in imagination.
    - bhaak 6y ago
      Yes, there's not much that can destroy a legend easier than meeting them in person. But it in this case, the legend was a rather nice person. Getting this aspect of his personality destroyed would be a shame.
      - justinmeiners 6y ago
        Is he mean? Or do associate those views with mean people. I just don't understand why everyone needs to be a PR polished suit. These people work on computers, not administer public policy. We can appreciate their contributions and ignore their quirks or the fact they don't have all the popular opinions.
        bhaak 6y ago
        It's the other way around. Just because somebody is good in one area that doesn't mean they have any authority in another, unrelated one. Putting people on a podest and excusing untolerable behavior is plain toxic. It is not wanting that everyone needs to be a PR polished suit, just wanting that people are decent human beings.
        justinmeiners 6y ago
        > Just because somebody is good in one area that doesn't mean they have any authority in another Precisely what I am saying. We can applaud Nick for contributions to cryptography without importing his views of other things. We don't have to weigh his political opinions at all. > just wanting that people are decent human beings. This sounds to me like "having views I like, because only undecent people would think otherwise". Do you have an instance of Nick being nasty or indecent?
  - nobrains 6y ago
    Maybe it's to throw off people...
  - boredumb 6y ago
    >If you look at Szabo's twitter feed these days, I surely hope he isn't. I just glanced at it and it looks innocuously right wing. In the context of being contender for the creator of a decentralized currency I was expecting a "far-right" libertarian type.
tim333 6y ago
Dunno about virtually no chance - we just need exponential improvements in scanning and computing to go on a while longer.
seibelj 6y ago
The fact he lived very close to Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto (2 blocks away) is the most damning evidence to me. Explains why he selected that name - he thought it was a good name and he noticed it! Secondly him being the first person to respond to Satoshi is highly suspect to me, he could have been responding to himself.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  Huh, that's an interesting fact! I wonder what percentage of people outside of Japan live that close to someone named Satoshi Nakamoto?
- lallysingh 6y ago
  That's a terrible reason!! Name your alias as Other Guy in My Town? What kind of idiot would do that? He's not collecting packages.
  - ivalm 6y ago
    I mean, more likely to be primed by a name of a guy in the town then randomly selecting a low prevalence name that happens to ALSO be the name of the guy in the town. It’s not that the marginal probability of using a known name is high, it’s that for a fact the name used IS a known name that makes it suspect.
  - em3rgent0rdr 6y ago
    People do choose aliases by odd relations like this.
    - lallysingh 6y ago
      Yes, but I'd expect the inventor of Bitcoin to be a little not-dumb about it.
- nadaviv 6y ago
  Source?
bdcravens 6y ago
> ather than be the snarky one where everyone else nods in agreement Satoshi's discussions on BitcoinTalk were definitely not snarky, but fairly well measured and objective.

nobrains 6y ago

My guesstimate is Nick Szabo.

bhaak 6y ago
If you look at Szabo's twitter feed these days, I surely hope he isn't. Luckily, there is not that much that points towards him being Satoshi: https://archive.is/N3rYx https://archive.is/N3rYx https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/12/16/no-nick-szabo-wasnt-satoshi-in-2014-either/ https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2018/12/16/no-nick-szab...
- svd4anything 6y ago
  His twitter feed is very libertarian and Austrian economics themed. That doesn’t surprise me at all, should it?
  - CydeWeys 6y ago
    He says he hopes it isn't him, not that it lends evidence against it.
    - svd4anything 6y ago
      I understand but that’s a strange hope a bit based on his twitter bring too right-wing or libertarian than he would prefer, yet those beliefs are actually very consistent with a lot of Satoshi’s known leanings and beliefs. The block zero comment is pretty libertarian for example and many of his comments on email lists are also. So it’s a bit illogical for the OP to hope for otherwise.
      - mhluongo 6y ago
        I'm a libertarian Bitcoiner myself, and I hope it's not Szabo. You can be right libertarian without being a xenophobe or an outright racist.
        svd4anything 6y ago
        I guess I missed the xenophobia and racism in his twitter feed. That wouldn’t surprise me however I’m just not sure what you are referring to specifically.
        someguydave 6y ago
        you can also be right libertarian without demeaning others with modern-day heresy accusations
  - seibelj 6y ago
    Expecting Satoshi not to be libertarian is like expecting Karl Marx not to be socialist. Satoshi devoted his life to creating uncensorable money outside of government control!
    - nix23 6y ago
      >Karl Marx not to be socialist He was not a socialist, he was a Marxist. It's like expecting that Windows and Linux are Operating-systems and by that completely the same.
      - orhmeh09 6y ago
        On what basis are you making this claim? Karl Marx often called himself a socialist but he explicitly denied being a Marxist.
  - api 6y ago
    Fascism != libertarianism It mystifies me how /pol ideology gets called libertarian. I remember when words meant things.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - drngdds 6y ago
    Libertarian? He has the Blue Lives Matter flag as his header.
    - adventured 6y ago
      In the 1970s there were lots of libertarians that were marxists or socialists, they saw no conflict in the terms because libertarian is such a loosely defined term that it can encompass almost anything you care to stuff into it. Even today libertarianism has no strict prescription, the political movement takes all manner of refugee into it. In discussions I routinely run across libertarians that believe in fully functional centralized government judicial and policing systems; on the flip side, I also run across libertarians that are more of the anarchy wing and believe in private police systems. What does liberty mean to you? That's all libertarianism actually is, and that has always plagued the movement. If forcibly implemented marxism means liberty or freedom to you, good enough, you can call yourself a libertarian now if you see fit. The Hayek wing will always disagree with that, however their disagreement is also entirely irrelevant as they don't have much control over the term or the movement.
      - jahaja 6y ago
        Well, that shouldn't be that surprising since the term was Socialist in its beginning before the current US right-wing tendencies co-opted it to mean Propertarianism.
- justinmeiners 6y ago
  > hope he isn't You wish he was more like you? This is a good reason why he hid his identity. Any real person would be more disappointing then the legend constructed in imagination.
  - bhaak 6y ago
    Yes, there's not much that can destroy a legend easier than meeting them in person. But it in this case, the legend was a rather nice person. Getting this aspect of his personality destroyed would be a shame.
    - justinmeiners 6y ago
      Is he mean? Or do associate those views with mean people. I just don't understand why everyone needs to be a PR polished suit. These people work on computers, not administer public policy. We can appreciate their contributions and ignore their quirks or the fact they don't have all the popular opinions.
      - bhaak 6y ago
        It's the other way around. Just because somebody is good in one area that doesn't mean they have any authority in another, unrelated one. Putting people on a podest and excusing untolerable behavior is plain toxic. It is not wanting that everyone needs to be a PR polished suit, just wanting that people are decent human beings.
        justinmeiners 6y ago
        > Just because somebody is good in one area that doesn't mean they have any authority in another Precisely what I am saying. We can applaud Nick for contributions to cryptography without importing his views of other things. We don't have to weigh his political opinions at all. > just wanting that people are decent human beings. This sounds to me like "having views I like, because only undecent people would think otherwise". Do you have an instance of Nick being nasty or indecent?
- nobrains 6y ago
  Maybe it's to throw off people...
- boredumb 6y ago
  >If you look at Szabo's twitter feed these days, I surely hope he isn't. I just glanced at it and it looks innocuously right wing. In the context of being contender for the creator of a decentralized currency I was expecting a "far-right" libertarian type.

tim333 6y ago

Dunno about virtually no chance - we just need exponential improvements in scanning and computing to go on a while longer.

seibelj 6y ago

The fact he lived very close to Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto (2 blocks away) is the most damning evidence to me. Explains why he selected that name - he thought it was a good name and he noticed it! Secondly him being the first person to respond to Satoshi is highly suspect to me, he could have been responding to himself.

CydeWeys 6y ago
Huh, that's an interesting fact! I wonder what percentage of people outside of Japan live that close to someone named Satoshi Nakamoto?
lallysingh 6y ago
That's a terrible reason!! Name your alias as Other Guy in My Town? What kind of idiot would do that? He's not collecting packages.
- ivalm 6y ago
  I mean, more likely to be primed by a name of a guy in the town then randomly selecting a low prevalence name that happens to ALSO be the name of the guy in the town. It’s not that the marginal probability of using a known name is high, it’s that for a fact the name used IS a known name that makes it suspect.
- em3rgent0rdr 6y ago
  People do choose aliases by odd relations like this.
  - lallysingh 6y ago
    Yes, but I'd expect the inventor of Bitcoin to be a little not-dumb about it.
nadaviv 6y ago
Source?

bdcravens 6y ago

> ather than be the snarky one where everyone else nods in agreement Satoshi's discussions on BitcoinTalk were definitely not snarky, but fairly well measured and objective.