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Nintendo is self-sustainable, Apple is exerting a lot of influence among smaller studios with Arcade. Like Annapurna Interactive (which is nota bene funded by O

by SSLy 6y ago

Nintendo is self-sustainable, Apple is exerting a lot of influence among smaller studios with Arcade. Like Annapurna Interactive (which is nota bene funded by Oracle).

actuator 6y ago
I would never want it to happen because of how much I love Nintendo. But I have always thought if there is any gaming property Apple can really benefit from buying, it is Nintendo.
- gambiting 6y ago
  If I'm doing the maths correctly - Nintendo's current worth is somewhere around $40BN? Like, that's a lot of money, even for Apple, and then I'm not sure Nintendo would want to sell?
  - masklinn 6y ago
    > I'm not sure Nintendo would want to sell? Nintendo definitely wouldn't want to sell but it's publicly traded so a hostile takeover is always in the cards
    - yulaow 6y ago
      Japan government would for sure exercise their golden power if someone tries an hostile takeover on any big national corporation like Nintendo.
gregjw 6y ago
I mean, one of the founders (Megan Ellison) is Larry Ellison's daughter, I'm sure he helped it get started, but does Oracle as a company have any official activity with Annapurna?
Andrex 6y ago
Nintendo is just two bad generations of hardware from being vulnerable enough to sell itself (IMO.) They had only $4.3 billion cash on hand as of 2018 (surely more by now thanks to the success and maturation of the Switch.) But Microsoft just dropped a little less than double that on ZeniMax. I wish Nintendo were in such a rock-solid place where I'd feel confident about them existing forever like Disney but I don't think that's ever been the case. Edit- The people downvoting me have apparently already forgotten about the Wii U. Imagine if they had two such systems in a row, without the DS/3DS line as a profitable fallback. Such are the possibilities of the future. When Nintendo's doing well, they're doing great, and everyone seems to forget the bad times. The GameCube era wasn't much better, but at least the GameCube and GBA were profitable/break even from their launches, as opposed to the Wii U and especially 3DS post-Ambassador price cut. Would be interested in a discussion or any kind of rebuttal from others who are actually familiar with Nintendo's financial history. To be clear: Nintendo as a company operated a loss from 2012-2015. An incompetent CEO could easily exacerbate that into a death spiral. Don't take Nintendo for granted, is all I'm saying.
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  > But Microsoft just dropped a little less than double that on ZeniMax. And there you have a key difference between Microsoft and Nintendo.
- staticman2 6y ago
  Worst case scenario for Nintendo would likely be making Xbox and PS5 games and PC games. I don't think they will ever be for sale.
  - moomin 6y ago
    Yeah, I mean, Sega don't have the mindshare they used to when they owned hardware, but they're very much still a thing.
    - Andrex 6y ago
      (replying to both you and the parent) It's a possibility but pivoting to software isn't easy by any stretch, and it wasn't something Sega should have even been able to do (financially.) The only reason it happened is because Sega's biggest debtor, Isao Okawa, forgave that debt on his deathbed. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/business/isao-okawa-74-chief-of-sega-and-pioneer-investor-in-japan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/business/isao-okawa-74-ch... In a slightly altered timeline where Okawa didn't do this, Sega would have went under and its IP's would have been sold piecemeal to the highest bidders.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
Annapurna Interactive has had their name on so many creative, well-done projects recently. I had no idea they received funding from Oracle, but quite frankly that just makes me think (somewhat) better of Oracle, not less of Annapurna.
- bananaoomarang 6y ago
  Annapurna was founded/is run by Megan Ellison, Larry Ellison's daughter, if it seems curious!
MaximumMadness 6y ago
I'd disagree here. Would recommend checking out this piece [1] on Nintendo's failure to expand as an IP brand. https://www.matthewball.vc/all/onnintendo https://www.matthewball.vc/all/onnintendo
wsc981 6y ago
> Nintendo is self-sustainable, Apple is exerting a lot of influence among smaller studios with Arcade. Like Annapurna Interactive (which is nota bene funded by Oracle). I feel Apple Arcade sucks. I recently subscribed, cause I thought maybe my daughter would enjoy it. But most of the games are still too hard for her. So then I tried to play some games on Arcade for myself, but can't say I enjoyed it. Played a few games for 15 - 30 minutes then got bored. There just seems to be very few -if any- really quality games on Apple Arcade, at least from my point of view. A few days ago I ordered the Retroid Pocket 2 [0], I hope this device will help me get my gaming fix. If the Retroid Pocket 2 provides me and my daughter with a fun experience, then later I'll order a 2nd one for my daughter. I believe old NES/SNES games are probably easier to play for a 3.5 year old child compared to most of Apple Arcade's offerings. My daughter can already handle a simple gamepad, so as long as the game doesn't use too many buttons (4 directions + A/B/X/Y), a game should be playable for her. --- [0]: https://www.goretroid.com/products/retroid-pocket-2-handheld-retro-gaming-system https://www.goretroid.com/products/retroid-pocket-2-handheld...
- Wowfunhappy 6y ago
  Have you tried any NES games lately? They're super hard! SNES games are better but they're still almost all very difficult.
  - wsc981 6y ago
    > Have you tried any NES games lately? They're super hard! SNES games are better but they're still almost all very difficult. NES games might be hard. I never really had a NES while I was young. But I do know for sure some SNES games that will be easy to play. E.g. Mario Kart & Unirally. There's some videos on YouTube that shows other games that are playable by young children [0]. Super Double Dragon isn't too complicated either I think and the Retroid Pocket 2 can be connected to a tv using HDMI cable and can use BLE to connect controllers. So that way I can play together with my daughter at the same time, to make it even easier for her. Here's a video that suggests some NES games for children [1]. --- [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwn1IM7GV10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwn1IM7GV10 [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmF3FbZwlQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmF3FbZwlQ

by SSLy 6y ago

Nintendo is self-sustainable, Apple is exerting a lot of influence among smaller studios with Arcade. Like Annapurna Interactive (which is nota bene funded by Oracle).

actuator 6y ago

I would never want it to happen because of how much I love Nintendo. But I have always thought if there is any gaming property Apple can really benefit from buying, it is Nintendo.

gambiting 6y ago
If I'm doing the maths correctly - Nintendo's current worth is somewhere around $40BN? Like, that's a lot of money, even for Apple, and then I'm not sure Nintendo would want to sell?
- masklinn 6y ago
  > I'm not sure Nintendo would want to sell? Nintendo definitely wouldn't want to sell but it's publicly traded so a hostile takeover is always in the cards
  - yulaow 6y ago
    Japan government would for sure exercise their golden power if someone tries an hostile takeover on any big national corporation like Nintendo.

gregjw 6y ago

I mean, one of the founders (Megan Ellison) is Larry Ellison's daughter, I'm sure he helped it get started, but does Oracle as a company have any official activity with Annapurna?

Andrex 6y ago

Nintendo is just two bad generations of hardware from being vulnerable enough to sell itself (IMO.) They had only $4.3 billion cash on hand as of 2018 (surely more by now thanks to the success and maturation of the Switch.) But Microsoft just dropped a little less than double that on ZeniMax. I wish Nintendo were in such a rock-solid place where I'd feel confident about them existing forever like Disney but I don't think that's ever been the case. Edit- The people downvoting me have apparently already forgotten about the Wii U. Imagine if they had two such systems in a row, without the DS/3DS line as a profitable fallback. Such are the possibilities of the future. When Nintendo's doing well, they're doing great, and everyone seems to forget the bad times. The GameCube era wasn't much better, but at least the GameCube and GBA were profitable/break even from their launches, as opposed to the Wii U and especially 3DS post-Ambassador price cut. Would be interested in a discussion or any kind of rebuttal from others who are actually familiar with Nintendo's financial history. To be clear: Nintendo as a company operated a loss from 2012-2015. An incompetent CEO could easily exacerbate that into a death spiral. Don't take Nintendo for granted, is all I'm saying.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
> But Microsoft just dropped a little less than double that on ZeniMax. And there you have a key difference between Microsoft and Nintendo.
staticman2 6y ago
Worst case scenario for Nintendo would likely be making Xbox and PS5 games and PC games. I don't think they will ever be for sale.
- moomin 6y ago
  Yeah, I mean, Sega don't have the mindshare they used to when they owned hardware, but they're very much still a thing.
  - Andrex 6y ago
    (replying to both you and the parent) It's a possibility but pivoting to software isn't easy by any stretch, and it wasn't something Sega should have even been able to do (financially.) The only reason it happened is because Sega's biggest debtor, Isao Okawa, forgave that debt on his deathbed. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/business/isao-okawa-74-chief-of-sega-and-pioneer-investor-in-japan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/17/business/isao-okawa-74-ch... In a slightly altered timeline where Okawa didn't do this, Sega would have went under and its IP's would have been sold piecemeal to the highest bidders.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

Annapurna Interactive has had their name on so many creative, well-done projects recently. I had no idea they received funding from Oracle, but quite frankly that just makes me think (somewhat) better of Oracle, not less of Annapurna.

bananaoomarang 6y ago
Annapurna was founded/is run by Megan Ellison, Larry Ellison's daughter, if it seems curious!

MaximumMadness 6y ago

I'd disagree here. Would recommend checking out this piece [1] on Nintendo's failure to expand as an IP brand. https://www.matthewball.vc/all/onnintendo https://www.matthewball.vc/all/onnintendo

wsc981 6y ago

> Nintendo is self-sustainable, Apple is exerting a lot of influence among smaller studios with Arcade. Like Annapurna Interactive (which is nota bene funded by Oracle). I feel Apple Arcade sucks. I recently subscribed, cause I thought maybe my daughter would enjoy it. But most of the games are still too hard for her. So then I tried to play some games on Arcade for myself, but can't say I enjoyed it. Played a few games for 15 - 30 minutes then got bored. There just seems to be very few -if any- really quality games on Apple Arcade, at least from my point of view. A few days ago I ordered the Retroid Pocket 2 [0], I hope this device will help me get my gaming fix. If the Retroid Pocket 2 provides me and my daughter with a fun experience, then later I'll order a 2nd one for my daughter. I believe old NES/SNES games are probably easier to play for a 3.5 year old child compared to most of Apple Arcade's offerings. My daughter can already handle a simple gamepad, so as long as the game doesn't use too many buttons (4 directions + A/B/X/Y), a game should be playable for her. --- [0]: https://www.goretroid.com/products/retroid-pocket-2-handheld-retro-gaming-system https://www.goretroid.com/products/retroid-pocket-2-handheld...

Wowfunhappy 6y ago
Have you tried any NES games lately? They're super hard! SNES games are better but they're still almost all very difficult.
- wsc981 6y ago
  > Have you tried any NES games lately? They're super hard! SNES games are better but they're still almost all very difficult. NES games might be hard. I never really had a NES while I was young. But I do know for sure some SNES games that will be easy to play. E.g. Mario Kart & Unirally. There's some videos on YouTube that shows other games that are playable by young children [0]. Super Double Dragon isn't too complicated either I think and the Retroid Pocket 2 can be connected to a tv using HDMI cable and can use BLE to connect controllers. So that way I can play together with my daughter at the same time, to make it even easier for her. Here's a video that suggests some NES games for children [1]. --- [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwn1IM7GV10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwn1IM7GV10 [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmF3FbZwlQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dmF3FbZwlQ