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I am impressed with the amount of energy Evan is pouring in this open source project. I am curious if he ever experience boredom working on Vue. I am also cur

by didip 6y ago

I am impressed with the amount of energy Evan is pouring in this open source project. I am curious if he ever experience boredom working on Vue. I am also curious if Patreon based income is sustainable for the long run. What if there's another new sexy JS framework in the future?

mushufasa 6y ago
> What if there's another new sexy JS framework in the future? That's how a market works. It's a strong incentive to keep Vue sexy.
- j-krieger 6y ago
  The market also isn't as volatile as people make it out to be. The top most used js frameworks (React, Angular and Vue) have been in the top spots for 5 to 7 years now. I guess the market might as well be settled. Of course there are some new comers every year, but they don't enjoy a large market share. Hell, I've not even seen VueJS used once in any serious project in the industry. React and Angular are here to stay, and there's no changing that.
  - ccday 6y ago
    GitLab uses Vue, that qualifies as a serious product.
  - Exuma 6y ago
    WTF are you talking about... so you don't consider any of these to be serious? sentry.io, Gitlab, Grammarly, Codeship, Behance
    - franklampard 6y ago
      React is winning in U.S. Vue is winning in China
      - solarkraft 6y ago
        Angular appears to be "winning" in Germany (or all of Europe?).
        j-krieger 6y ago
        Not true. I work for Europe‘s largest web dev company, react and angular projects have a 50:50 market share I‘d say.
    - untitaker_ 6y ago
      Sentry is not using Vue.
  - erokar 6y ago
    Angular seems to be dying. Svelte is an interesting contender. I think it will be React's main competitor given a year or two.
    - blntechie 6y ago
      Angular is huge inside big enterprises. Much more popular than React. Svelte is very cool though.
    - LocalPCGuy 6y ago
      This is a popular opinion particularly if all someone pays attention to is Twitter and Reddit but I'd argue it is a wrong opinion. Angular is alive and well, and being used/adopted every day for projects no one hears about. It isn't the "sexy" choice, but it is the one a lot of companies make. And if you're gonna point to opinion polls, and all kinds of respect to those who put them out, but they have a hard time capturing Angular usage due to selection bias.
      - erokar 6y ago
        Depends where you live and work I suppose. I used to work in a consultancy firm in Norway that was all in on Angular two-three years ago. Angular has been very popular in enterprise here. But Twitter and Reddit reach enterprise too in the end. The consultancy firm has now switched more or less entirely over to React because Angular is so out of vogue.
        fein 6y ago
        US consultant here with a similar story. A lot of what we're doing now seems to be moving toward headless CMS and headless ecommerce with NextJS/Gatsby for the integration point. I'm still a big fan of Angular, but the amount of work we're getting asking for Angular has dropped off a cliff.
        machello13 6y ago
        I used to work for a big financial analytics company that used Angular 1.5 for everything. Around the time I left, they started migrating to VueJS instead. Obviously this is all anecdotal, and I have no doubt AngularJS is still being used in a lot of places, but I think there's reason to believe its share might be shrinking.
  - jtdev 6y ago
    I’ve deployed a number of applications using Ember’s (Octane) and will continue to use that over React, Angular, and Vue for as long as these other frameworks continue to prioritize fp zealotry over getting shut done.
    - Exuma 6y ago
      What do you mean 'fp'? Ember was quite literally one of the worst experiences ever. Not having javascript expressions in handlebars is literally excrutiating. I'm so glad I never have to use ember, ever, ever again.
      - jtdev 6y ago
        Functional programming. Maybe you should have given helper functions a look: https://guides.emberjs.com/release/components/helper-functions/ https://guides.emberjs.com/release/components/helper-functio...
        bobbyz 6y ago
        Download the league client if you want to be scared straight about ember. Resource usage gradually ramps up until by the 5th game the client is using more RAM than the game itself.
  - save_ferris 6y ago
    I agree that there will be a need for react/angular talent for many years to come. That said, I think engineering orgs are picking up on the fact that rolling web apps this way introduces lots of complexity and requires lots of resources to maintain and extend. I really don't want to think about regularly maintaining a 10-year-old redux-backed react app down the road. Whether react/angular/vue are able to continue improving enough to justify staying within that world remains to be seen. It's very early days for some of the new frameworks out there, but with web assembly on the horizon, companies will again be motivated to modernize, however that looks.
  - Can_Not 6y ago
    > I've not even seen VueJS used once in any serious project in the industry. I've been paid to write Vue code for at least 4 years.
- wenc 6y ago
  The closest thing I can see to a contender is Svelte. I'd be unlikely to start any new project on Angular. React remains dominant and would be a viable option, except Vue feels more lightweight and approachable. I'm sticking with Vue for now.
wishinghand 6y ago
> I am curious if he ever experience boredom working on Vue. I was curious about this too when Vue 3 overshot its release estimate and then he started working on Vite, which is a build tool.
- holtalanm 6y ago
  Vite looks pretty darn neat
bdcravens 6y ago
Patreon income may not be, but Vue-based income should be. This company focuses on development of Coldbox, a ColdFusion-based framework still in active development. If they can support a team and still continue development, Vue should be good for a while https://www.ortussolutions.com/ https://www.ortussolutions.com/
- daniellarusso 6y ago
  If you have not checked out Coldbox, I highly recommend it. The Ortus folks are very smart and clever. Cannot recommend them enough.
Traubenfuchs 6y ago
> What if there's another new sexy JS framework in the future? I am sure he can save a lot, with that income. I am sure he could find a normal job, with those skills. I am sure he could be a freelancer, with "created vue.js" as reference. His Patreon based income would slowly die with the decline of Vue.js and he'd have enough time to look for something else.
wmf 6y ago
Market growth can cover a lot. Even if, say, Svelte gets bigger than Vue in the future, Vue could still be bigger than it is today.
m3nu 6y ago
From what I see, Vue.js has a very healthy commercial ecosystem. Many people seem to be making money off their community work. Be it with blogs, courses, conferences, offering plugins, UI, etc. I think this decentralized web of incentives is more sustainable in the long run than a single corporate sponsor.

by didip 6y ago

mushufasa 6y ago

> What if there's another new sexy JS framework in the future? That's how a market works. It's a strong incentive to keep Vue sexy.

j-krieger 6y ago
The market also isn't as volatile as people make it out to be. The top most used js frameworks (React, Angular and Vue) have been in the top spots for 5 to 7 years now. I guess the market might as well be settled. Of course there are some new comers every year, but they don't enjoy a large market share. Hell, I've not even seen VueJS used once in any serious project in the industry. React and Angular are here to stay, and there's no changing that.
- ccday 6y ago
  GitLab uses Vue, that qualifies as a serious product.
- Exuma 6y ago
  WTF are you talking about... so you don't consider any of these to be serious? sentry.io, Gitlab, Grammarly, Codeship, Behance
  - franklampard 6y ago
    React is winning in U.S. Vue is winning in China
    - solarkraft 6y ago
      Angular appears to be "winning" in Germany (or all of Europe?).
      - j-krieger 6y ago
        Not true. I work for Europe‘s largest web dev company, react and angular projects have a 50:50 market share I‘d say.
  - untitaker_ 6y ago
    Sentry is not using Vue.
- erokar 6y ago
  Angular seems to be dying. Svelte is an interesting contender. I think it will be React's main competitor given a year or two.
  - blntechie 6y ago
    Angular is huge inside big enterprises. Much more popular than React. Svelte is very cool though.
  - LocalPCGuy 6y ago
    This is a popular opinion particularly if all someone pays attention to is Twitter and Reddit but I'd argue it is a wrong opinion. Angular is alive and well, and being used/adopted every day for projects no one hears about. It isn't the "sexy" choice, but it is the one a lot of companies make. And if you're gonna point to opinion polls, and all kinds of respect to those who put them out, but they have a hard time capturing Angular usage due to selection bias.
    - erokar 6y ago
      Depends where you live and work I suppose. I used to work in a consultancy firm in Norway that was all in on Angular two-three years ago. Angular has been very popular in enterprise here. But Twitter and Reddit reach enterprise too in the end. The consultancy firm has now switched more or less entirely over to React because Angular is so out of vogue.
      - fein 6y ago
        US consultant here with a similar story. A lot of what we're doing now seems to be moving toward headless CMS and headless ecommerce with NextJS/Gatsby for the integration point. I'm still a big fan of Angular, but the amount of work we're getting asking for Angular has dropped off a cliff.
      - machello13 6y ago
        I used to work for a big financial analytics company that used Angular 1.5 for everything. Around the time I left, they started migrating to VueJS instead. Obviously this is all anecdotal, and I have no doubt AngularJS is still being used in a lot of places, but I think there's reason to believe its share might be shrinking.
- jtdev 6y ago
  I’ve deployed a number of applications using Ember’s (Octane) and will continue to use that over React, Angular, and Vue for as long as these other frameworks continue to prioritize fp zealotry over getting shut done.
  - Exuma 6y ago
    What do you mean 'fp'? Ember was quite literally one of the worst experiences ever. Not having javascript expressions in handlebars is literally excrutiating. I'm so glad I never have to use ember, ever, ever again.
    - jtdev 6y ago
      Functional programming. Maybe you should have given helper functions a look: https://guides.emberjs.com/release/components/helper-functions/ https://guides.emberjs.com/release/components/helper-functio...
      - bobbyz 6y ago
        Download the league client if you want to be scared straight about ember. Resource usage gradually ramps up until by the 5th game the client is using more RAM than the game itself.
- save_ferris 6y ago
  I agree that there will be a need for react/angular talent for many years to come. That said, I think engineering orgs are picking up on the fact that rolling web apps this way introduces lots of complexity and requires lots of resources to maintain and extend. I really don't want to think about regularly maintaining a 10-year-old redux-backed react app down the road. Whether react/angular/vue are able to continue improving enough to justify staying within that world remains to be seen. It's very early days for some of the new frameworks out there, but with web assembly on the horizon, companies will again be motivated to modernize, however that looks.
- Can_Not 6y ago
  > I've not even seen VueJS used once in any serious project in the industry. I've been paid to write Vue code for at least 4 years.
wenc 6y ago
The closest thing I can see to a contender is Svelte. I'd be unlikely to start any new project on Angular. React remains dominant and would be a viable option, except Vue feels more lightweight and approachable. I'm sticking with Vue for now.

wishinghand 6y ago

> I am curious if he ever experience boredom working on Vue. I was curious about this too when Vue 3 overshot its release estimate and then he started working on Vite, which is a build tool.

holtalanm 6y ago
Vite looks pretty darn neat

bdcravens 6y ago

Patreon income may not be, but Vue-based income should be. This company focuses on development of Coldbox, a ColdFusion-based framework still in active development. If they can support a team and still continue development, Vue should be good for a while https://www.ortussolutions.com/ https://www.ortussolutions.com/

daniellarusso 6y ago
If you have not checked out Coldbox, I highly recommend it. The Ortus folks are very smart and clever. Cannot recommend them enough.

Traubenfuchs 6y ago

> What if there's another new sexy JS framework in the future? I am sure he can save a lot, with that income. I am sure he could find a normal job, with those skills. I am sure he could be a freelancer, with "created vue.js" as reference. His Patreon based income would slowly die with the decline of Vue.js and he'd have enough time to look for something else.

wmf 6y ago

Market growth can cover a lot. Even if, say, Svelte gets bigger than Vue in the future, Vue could still be bigger than it is today.

m3nu 6y ago

From what I see, Vue.js has a very healthy commercial ecosystem. Many people seem to be making money off their community work. Be it with blogs, courses, conferences, offering plugins, UI, etc. I think this decentralized web of incentives is more sustainable in the long run than a single corporate sponsor.