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Isn't it the police's job to be seizing property from criminals to prevent crime? Not individual victims. If the police won't demand Namecheap remove it, then s

Isn't it the police's job to be seizing property from criminals to prevent crime? Not individual victims. If the police won't demand Namecheap remove it, then sorry? They don't have to. It's not like Namecheap committed the fraud any more than a carmaker robbed a bank because the robber drove away in their car.

gowld 6y ago
Usually if someone is using your property for crime, you have an obligation to stop it. Don't know if it applies in this particular case though. Clearly the government didn't think so.
- geocrasher 6y ago
  This is the very reason that Safe Harbor laws are in place for these industries.
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    Safe harbor laws only apply when you reasonably don't know or couldn't know about the illegal behavior. Once you become aware of it then safe harbor no longer applies.
Aeolun 6y ago
If Tesla is aware that a certain car is stolen, and they have the ability to remotely disable it, should they? And if they’re aware that the car will be imminently used for a terrorist attack, does that change the equation?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  And if we trusted Tesla to make that determination, that would be an interesting question. But counterpoint: Do you want Tesla to remotely kill your car because someone decided to tell them that it was stolen? I can think of some "fun" ways for that to blow up...
- dogecoinbase 6y ago
  Contrariwise, should they be permitted that ability, when what it will actually be used for is someone to disable their abused partner's car?
- manquer 6y ago
  Tesla can do that at government instruction. They have no business doing that if private individual asks for it even if it is world ending nuclear threat terrorist attack. Same for namecheap. They cannot be the judge of what is spam and not. they should not be asked to gatekeep for the justice system
vorpalhex 6y ago
Your local police department doesn't have any authority over namecheap. In scams, we do open a case file with them so that they can monitor problems, to create a verified paperwork trail and if issues such as stolen identity arise. Namecheap does have a duty when they are informed with reasonable evidence to not be an accessory to a crime. Prior to being informed, Namecheap is in the clear. Once they're given clear evidence (and in my case it was blatantly obvious because it was a crappy scam) then they do have a duty to act. It's the difference between Ford selling a car which happens to be used in a bank robbery, and Ford knowingly selling a fleet of armored vans after being told that their client is a known bank robber.

gowld 6y ago

Usually if someone is using your property for crime, you have an obligation to stop it. Don't know if it applies in this particular case though. Clearly the government didn't think so.

geocrasher 6y ago
This is the very reason that Safe Harbor laws are in place for these industries.
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  Safe harbor laws only apply when you reasonably don't know or couldn't know about the illegal behavior. Once you become aware of it then safe harbor no longer applies.

Aeolun 6y ago

If Tesla is aware that a certain car is stolen, and they have the ability to remotely disable it, should they? And if they’re aware that the car will be imminently used for a terrorist attack, does that change the equation?

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
And if we trusted Tesla to make that determination, that would be an interesting question. But counterpoint: Do you want Tesla to remotely kill your car because someone decided to tell them that it was stolen? I can think of some "fun" ways for that to blow up...
dogecoinbase 6y ago
Contrariwise, should they be permitted that ability, when what it will actually be used for is someone to disable their abused partner's car?
manquer 6y ago
Tesla can do that at government instruction. They have no business doing that if private individual asks for it even if it is world ending nuclear threat terrorist attack. Same for namecheap. They cannot be the judge of what is spam and not. they should not be asked to gatekeep for the justice system

vorpalhex 6y ago

Your local police department doesn't have any authority over namecheap. In scams, we do open a case file with them so that they can monitor problems, to create a verified paperwork trail and if issues such as stolen identity arise. Namecheap does have a duty when they are informed with reasonable evidence to not be an accessory to a crime. Prior to being informed, Namecheap is in the clear. Once they're given clear evidence (and in my case it was blatantly obvious because it was a crappy scam) then they do have a duty to act. It's the difference between Ford selling a car which happens to be used in a bank robbery, and Ford knowingly selling a fleet of armored vans after being told that their client is a known bank robber.