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I'm german and it's the first time I hear someone calling her corrupt or nepotistic.

by _Microft 6y ago

orbifold 6y ago
She did a bunch of pretty corrupt stuff while defense minister. She pushed for internet censorship.
- addicted 6y ago
  I strongly disagree with internet censorship, but how is that "corrupt"? Pushing for something that may be objectively terrible and is agreed by everybody is objectively terrible, may be terrible, but it is still not corrupt. Words have meanings, and for that to be corrupt it would also require that the person pushing for it was doing so not because they believed it was the right thing to do, but because they were doing it for nefarious reasons such as having been bribed, or only because it would personally enrich themselves.
joes_hk 6y ago
Maybe you have heard of the "Berateraffären". It's almost funny how they pulled it off without getting into legal trouble.
- _Microft 6y ago
  OK, thanks. I had heard about her wiped mobilphone before but didn't know what the issue was about. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen#Berater-Aff%C3%A4re_in_der_Bundeswehr https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen#Berater-A...
Roritharr 6y ago
Never heard the term "Berater-Affäre"?
- usr1106 6y ago
  I guess nobody who does not speak German can understand or use such term. I'd translate it with consultantgate, but then I am not a native speaker of English. I don't think European media is integrated enough that there would be a term well understood in all EU countries.
- ricohboy 6y ago
  Literally "consultant affair" so consultant-gate isn't a bad translation
fxtentacle 6y ago
I'm surprised. I thought by now it was common knowledge that the corruptible involving her son and other more distant family members has cost the taxpayers 100+ millions.
- deleted 6y ago
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- lippel82 6y ago
  What did her son have to do with anything? And quite frankly, even though the optics were probably not very good, I don't know of any corruption on the part of Ursula von der Leyen that was conclusively shown.
  - WanderPanda 6y ago
    Yeah you don‘t know of any, because the evidence on her phone was „accidentally“ lost...
  - fxtentacle 6y ago
    She hired the company where her son was working using taxpayer money. And then that company paid commission for it to her son. So she indirectly paid taxpayer money to her son.
    - lippel82 6y ago
      Her son worked in the silicon valley office in a very junior position at the time. That's very far removed from the German public sector consulting. And where did you get that bit about commissions? I'm pretty sure that McKinsey doesn't pay any commissions whatsoever to junior consultants.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
        It's called networking.
    - jariel 6y ago
zepearl 6y ago
Initially, 10 million euros were estimated for the repair work. During the work that had started, further damage was found in the Elsflether shipyard in January 2016, whereupon a construction freeze was imposed in October 2016 and an economic feasibility study was instructed. On January 26, 2017, Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen finally decided to continue the repair work, the cost of which has now been estimated at 75 million euros. According to the shipyard in March 2018, the costs could rise to 135 million euros and the overhaul could take until mid-2019. [8th] https://translate.google.com/translate?um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGorch_Fock_%28Schiff%2C_1958%29 https://translate.google.com/translate?um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&c...
fakedang 6y ago
I'm surprised. I'm a foreigner in Germany with a ton of CDU supporters in my SO's family, yet somehow it's pretty open knowledge that Ursula is a paragon of EU corruption and nepotism.
alternatetwo 6y ago
Apart from what the others mentioned, search for Zensursula. She once wanted to censor our Internet because "of the children" ... 10 years ago. How time flies.
rurban 6y ago
Because then you only consume German media, which is equally corrupt. Pure government mouthpieces. Non German media is more informed on German malpractices.

I'm german and it's the first time I hear someone calling her corrupt or nepotistic.

orbifold 6y ago

She did a bunch of pretty corrupt stuff while defense minister. She pushed for internet censorship.

addicted 6y ago
I strongly disagree with internet censorship, but how is that "corrupt"? Pushing for something that may be objectively terrible and is agreed by everybody is objectively terrible, may be terrible, but it is still not corrupt. Words have meanings, and for that to be corrupt it would also require that the person pushing for it was doing so not because they believed it was the right thing to do, but because they were doing it for nefarious reasons such as having been bribed, or only because it would personally enrich themselves.

joes_hk 6y ago

Maybe you have heard of the "Berateraffären". It's almost funny how they pulled it off without getting into legal trouble.

_Microft 6y ago
OK, thanks. I had heard about her wiped mobilphone before but didn't know what the issue was about. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen#Berater-Aff%C3%A4re_in_der_Bundeswehr https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen#Berater-A...

Roritharr 6y ago

Never heard the term "Berater-Affäre"?

usr1106 6y ago
I guess nobody who does not speak German can understand or use such term. I'd translate it with consultantgate, but then I am not a native speaker of English. I don't think European media is integrated enough that there would be a term well understood in all EU countries.
ricohboy 6y ago
Literally "consultant affair" so consultant-gate isn't a bad translation

fxtentacle 6y ago

I'm surprised. I thought by now it was common knowledge that the corruptible involving her son and other more distant family members has cost the taxpayers 100+ millions.

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lippel82 6y ago
What did her son have to do with anything? And quite frankly, even though the optics were probably not very good, I don't know of any corruption on the part of Ursula von der Leyen that was conclusively shown.
- WanderPanda 6y ago
  Yeah you don‘t know of any, because the evidence on her phone was „accidentally“ lost...
- fxtentacle 6y ago
  She hired the company where her son was working using taxpayer money. And then that company paid commission for it to her son. So she indirectly paid taxpayer money to her son.
  - lippel82 6y ago
    Her son worked in the silicon valley office in a very junior position at the time. That's very far removed from the German public sector consulting. And where did you get that bit about commissions? I'm pretty sure that McKinsey doesn't pay any commissions whatsoever to junior consultants.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
      It's called networking.
  - jariel 6y ago

zepearl 6y ago

Initially, 10 million euros were estimated for the repair work. During the work that had started, further damage was found in the Elsflether shipyard in January 2016, whereupon a construction freeze was imposed in October 2016 and an economic feasibility study was instructed. On January 26, 2017, Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen finally decided to continue the repair work, the cost of which has now been estimated at 75 million euros. According to the shipyard in March 2018, the costs could rise to 135 million euros and the overhaul could take until mid-2019. [8th] https://translate.google.com/translate?um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGorch_Fock_%28Schiff%2C_1958%29 https://translate.google.com/translate?um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&c...

fakedang 6y ago

I'm surprised. I'm a foreigner in Germany with a ton of CDU supporters in my SO's family, yet somehow it's pretty open knowledge that Ursula is a paragon of EU corruption and nepotism.

alternatetwo 6y ago

Apart from what the others mentioned, search for Zensursula. She once wanted to censor our Internet because "of the children" ... 10 years ago. How time flies.

rurban 6y ago

Because then you only consume German media, which is equally corrupt. Pure government mouthpieces. Non German media is more informed on German malpractices.