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Pine64 September update

225 points by jandeboevrie 6y ago

jMyles 6y ago
> HW switches: LTE/GNSS, WiFi, Microphone, Speaker, Cameras Is this only the second phone to have kill switches for these devices? Or are there others about which I'm just not aware?
- avery42 6y ago
  Wikipedia's page on open-source mobile phones [0] has a table with a kill switch column, and it only lists the Pinephone and Librem 5, although the list is pretty short and possibly incomplete. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones#Features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_pho...
- Oomoo0sh 6y ago
  Note that pinephone's kill switches are not as useful as librem 5's ones, because you can't easily switch them on the go. The switches are inside the phone, so you have to open it, and they're so tiny that you need a toothpicker or a needle to switch them.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    It should be noted, however, that the Pinephone's cover is designed to be easily removed. And I have had no problem flipping the kill switches with my house keys that I am always carrying with me anyway.
    - fsflover 6y ago
      > Pinephone's cover is designed to be easily removed Yes, compared with iPhones or Android phones, but not really. It requires two hands and at least several seconds. You will definitely miss that cool photo moment.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - abawany 6y ago
        I've been wanting to cut a little window in the back cover to get access to those, plus another to ventilate the SoC.
Alopis 6y ago
So what's the current state of the Pinephone? Is it viable as a daily driver? Half a year ago I was still hearing about broken suspend, power issues, broken call/SMS, etc.
- 0xfaded 6y ago
  I was an early Firefox phone user and for six months happily put up with these types of annoyances with the hope that they would improve. I only stopped using it once it became clear things had stagnated. If this achieves sufficient penetration to get past the stagnation valley of doom, I'll jump on the bandwagon again with the same hopes. Unfortunately I don't have work as much time as I used to back then though :(
  - bigiain 6y ago
    I still have mine. I fully intend to have it in my pocket next time I travel to the US. "Sure, you can see my phone. Here, I'll unlock it for you. Go for it! <watches security goon's head assplode>"
- avery42 6y ago
  I'm currently using Arch Linux ARM (Alarm), but most/all of these things should (or should soon) be working on Mobian (Debian Port), PostmarketOS (PmOS), UBPorts (Ubuntu Touch): - Calls/SMS are working and fairly reliable, although I haven't used them a huge amount - There is some suspend/power saving stuff implemented, and while I haven't had to take it on the go with me for very long (due to quarantine), I think the battery should at least last a full day now, but I think there's definitely room for improvement - Camera should be working on all distros, and there's recently been developments to get 1080p photos, and a 30 FPS "preview" (viewfinder?). These improvements should be on all the distros soon, but IIRC they're only on PmOS and UBPorts right now - Firefox is working pretty well for web browsing. PmOS has a mobile configuration for it [0] (that's also shipped with Alarm now), that fixes/improves some of the UI, adds pinch zoom support, etc. Aside from the occasional crash, I've found it to be pretty fast and reliable (at least compared to when I last tried Gnome Web). The downside is that it's still not fully optimized for touch/mobile compared to other options. Will be interested to see if Mozilla/someone else add some kind of mobile interface to desktop Firefox. - Tested yesterday and bluetooth headphones are working pretty well. Had some issues pairing in the UI, so I had to use SSH and bluetoothctl, but after that everything was pretty smooth. pavucontrol also seems to be working ok if you need something that's missing from the Phosh settings app. - Fractal and Nheko work pretty well for Matrix, but I'm going to try compiling Mirage [1] soon, it's been pretty great on desktop, and apparently the UI supports mobile. This is a rough and very incomplete list, but feel free to ask if there's anything specific I missed. [0]: https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/mobile-config-firefox https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/mobile-config-firefox [1]: https://github.com/mirukana/mirage https://github.com/mirukana/mirage
ljhsiung 6y ago
It's pretty astounding to me how much progress that Pine64 has made in the last year. I just got my Pinebook Pro last week (and typing this comment on it), and funny enough, I've been more productive on it for side projects than I have been for months. I kinda wanted a PineTab, and so am a little sad to hear about the LCD delays, but their commentary and rationale on the delays and LCD QA is a type of transparency that I haven't heard in quite some time and it just builds hype for me.
- dudik 6y ago
  What do you think caused the productivity boost?
  - onerous_beans 6y ago
    At least for me with my Pinebook Pro, it feels a little bit like a typewriter does to me for writing -- it's perfectly capable, and powerful enough for all of my dev work and side projects aside from heavier stuff or any ML, but still limited enough and dedicated enough an environment that I find myself getting more done sitting out in the back yard or on the couch than I would sitting w/ my laptop regularly
  - ljhsiung 6y ago
    I'd say the fact that 1) it's very lightweight/portable and 2) a bit more constrained in terms of hardware. I can't open 50 tabs and watch YouTube in the background. Additionally, I have some side projects on ARM code that, previously, I had to cross-compile on my desktop. Native development is a small boost, but not massive in comparison to the smaller hardware. I could get the same "constrained hardware" effect by just hacking an older 2015 laptop, but the laptop is essentially a 2015 CPU with 2019 parts, so if I were to hack an older laptop to upgrade it'd likely be ~$200 since I wouldn't have the advantage of purchasing + assembling parts in bulk to reduce cost (also, my older laptop doesn't have a GPU). Aside from cost, something a hacked older laptop wouldn't have (unless I rip out the CPU from its motherboard, which I wouldn't be willing to do) is the pretty amazing case and how light it is. The lightweightedness and good feel of the case makes it extremely portable for me. Some might argue that "constrained hardware" is a con, but to me that's like saying using a headless system is a con. If you don't need/want it, why use it? Additionally, it's not like you're paying an extra/similar amount for lesser hardware -- it falls far below the typical market $/perf curve.
dmayle 6y ago
Personally, I'm waiting for the next batch of PineTabs. I've been wanting to create a programmable digital picture frame (with touch screen) for some time now, and the hardware costs are pretty high for all of the raspberry pi projects out there vs the $79 for the PineTab. The Amazon Fire 7 is cheaper ($50), but I'd rather build on top of vanilla Linux than try to replace the Amazon OS to strip out Android.
CameronNemo 6y ago
No word on the ARM deal and how they might be affected. They likely don't want to ruffle feathers before the dust is even settled, but I must wonder what is going through their heads. Hopefully they are looking into what it would take to put together a RISC-V SBC.
- JustFinishedBSG 6y ago
  Why would Pine64 care in anyway about the buyout ?
  - fsflover 6y ago
    Because Nvidia has a bad history concerning open source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Open-source_software_support https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Open-source_software_su...
    - solarkraft 6y ago
      This doesn't really matter in the mid term. Documentation is mostly a thing of the chip manufacturer and that has already been horrible, but worked around by the Linux community.
  - CameronNemo 6y ago
    They use Rockchip and Allwinner chips in their devices. Neither supplier has a perpetual license on the ARM ISA, and both suppliers use ARM Cortex-A CPU designs. Furthermore the Pinephone, Pinebook Pro, Rock64, and RockPro64 boards use Mali graphics. The deal could have a significant effect on who they end up sourcing SoCs from, and what IP is on those SoCs.
errantspark 6y ago
I have a PinePhone and I've been running Manjaro on it for a couple weeks. It's terrible and it's also the only phone I've been truly excited about, well ever. I managed to watch some TV shows on it the other day! It's really cool stuff having a phone that's actually a proper little computer. The power management is terrible, the front camera doesn't have drivers, it's near impossible to do things that seem trivial (play an audiobook at 2x speed) without resorting to the command line. It often ends up in states that need a reboot. It's extremely rough around the edges but I can use it to post on HN while walking around Mountain View, so it's a huge step toward something real exciting. :) Seriously, I love the thing.
- Oomoo0sh 6y ago
  > It often ends up in states that need a reboot Are you using Phosh? On Mobian, I found Phosh often freezing, especially when I'm downloading big files on my laptop (one of my main uses for my phone is as 4g hotspot). When it happens, I found that I don't need a full reboot, I just have to ssh to the phone and run `sudo service phosh restart` - which is cool, because I don't have to reconfigure the hotspot or even just lose connection, that way.
- bitwize 6y ago
  That's exactly how I feel about mine. It runs PostmarketOS and I swapped out Phosh for SXMO which, despite being out of left field UI-wise, is way less janky and frustrating. It's still not within spitting distance of Android in terms of UX, let alone iOS, but it is the smartphone revolution we were all hoping for: hackable to the bone, runs all your favorite Linux software and only the software you want, open hardware (but for a few blobs) and hard kill switches for the camera, microphone, and radios. Great things will be built upon a platform like this.
  - bergstromm466 6y ago
    > but it is the smartphone revolution we were all hoping for: hackable to the bone I'm starting to get into this stuff, and your comment has me so excited!!
  - 6y ago
unwind 6y ago
It's really weird to scroll past all these fantastical hardware achievements/products, and still end up a little bit disappointed since there was no update about their soldering iron (the "Pinecil"). Really looking forward to that one, it seems like a good contender to the TS80/TS100 irons but more open and so on. It should be due for release around end of September, so ... fingers crossed. :)
- mmebane 6y ago
  I was disappointed, too, but they added an update in a comment[1]: > Right, the Pinecil is coming along; Ben Brown who’s porting his firmware to the RISC-V chip ran into some problems with the prototype we sent him (our fault), so a new unit is on its way to him now. Once he confirms that everything is working as intended we’ll file a production request with the factory. I too am waiting for it with anticipation and hope that it won’t be much longer before we get it in the store. [1]: https://www.pine64.org/2020/09/15/september-update-let-it-sink-in/#comment-2651 https://www.pine64.org/2020/09/15/september-update-let-it-si...
  - unwind 6y ago
    Thanks, that's great to hear! Nice find.
  - unwind 6y ago
    Late update: it seems they've added a suitable category to their store now, but without any actual product(s) listed. [1]: https://pine64.com/product-category/soldering-irons/ https://pine64.com/product-category/soldering-irons/
maelito 6y ago
Since I've bought the Surface Pro X, I can't go back to laptops with fans and poor battery life. The hardware is great. But Windows is still bad. It can't even display the good clock, as an example of inacceptable bugs. If I could find the same tablet-laptop format, with ubuntu support, that would be perfect, well until Android gets proper desktop support. Wireless Dex by Samsung is very promising, but the perfect portbale monitor isn't there yet.
- smcl 6y ago
  What's the clock issue you're having?
  - maelito 6y ago
    My Surface Pro X currently displays 14:31. I'm in France, it's 13:27. I'm confused about how one can mess so much with this basic feature. It's not even a timezone issue !
    - leonlag 6y ago
      Are you dual booting perhaps? I had this issue on my desktop where linux would display the proper time, but windows would be an hour off no matter what I did. It turns out linux wrote the time it got over NTP to the hardware clock as UTC(the correct way). Windows would then read the hw clock but interpret it as UTC+1(my timezone). Here the relevant archwiki entry: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_time#UTC_in_Windows https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_time#UTC_in_Wind...
- zozbot234 6y ago
  > If I could find the same tablet-laptop format, with ubuntu support, that would be perfect, well until Android gets proper desktop support. Fedora runs quite well on lots of 2-in-1 pc's (e.g. tablet form factor plus detachable keyboard) these days. I've not really tried Ubuntu, but the hardware tends to be a lot fiddlier than typical laptops or desktops and Fedora has better support for it than Debian-derived distros in my experience. And the GNOME desktop from Fedora works quite well as a "pro" tablet environment.
ArtWomb 6y ago
Ordering my P64 Pro soon. Switching from CrOS. And if all goes well I would consider phone as well. To have as a second device for secure comms with admin hosts ;)
- m-p-3 6y ago
  In case you're looking for an OS for the P64 Pro: https://blog.elementary.io/elementary-os-on-pinebook-pro/ https://blog.elementary.io/elementary-os-on-pinebook-pro/
  - CameronNemo 6y ago
    >For now, though, the kernel is just built into the image at build time and so does not currently receive updates.
    - m-p-3 6y ago
      Ah, that's disappointing but still a step towards official support. Hopefully it will reach a state good enough to become an option. I'd get a Pinebook Pro just for that OS.
OnACoffeeBreak 6y ago
Has anyone else had issues with Pine64 shipping phones or laptops recently? I placed an order July 31 and still don't have shipment information for a PineBook Pro laptop. Support hasn't gotten back to me with any dates for 5 days now.
- ocdtrekkie 6y ago
  The update specifically talks about why the PBP is delayed. Pine64 is a small team, annoying them with requests for ship dates tends to be pointless: They post publicly when shipments go out.
  - OnACoffeeBreak 6y ago
    Shipment page [0] says that the current batch update was slated for September 11th. I haven't gotten an update from the batch before that one. I appreciate the fact that they are a small team. It just seems odd that the next shipment has been planned and I haven't heard anything on the shipment before that one. 0: https://www.pine64.org/shipping/ https://www.pine64.org/shipping/

225 points by jandeboevrie 6y ago

> HW switches: LTE/GNSS, WiFi, Microphone, Speaker, Cameras Is this only the second phone to have kill switches for these devices? Or are there others about which I'm just not aware?

avery42 6y ago
Wikipedia's page on open-source mobile phones [0] has a table with a kill switch column, and it only lists the Pinephone and Librem 5, although the list is pretty short and possibly incomplete. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones#Features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_pho...
Oomoo0sh 6y ago
Note that pinephone's kill switches are not as useful as librem 5's ones, because you can't easily switch them on the go. The switches are inside the phone, so you have to open it, and they're so tiny that you need a toothpicker or a needle to switch them.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  It should be noted, however, that the Pinephone's cover is designed to be easily removed. And I have had no problem flipping the kill switches with my house keys that I am always carrying with me anyway.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    > Pinephone's cover is designed to be easily removed Yes, compared with iPhones or Android phones, but not really. It requires two hands and at least several seconds. You will definitely miss that cool photo moment.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - abawany 6y ago
      I've been wanting to cut a little window in the back cover to get access to those, plus another to ventilate the SoC.

Alopis 6y ago

So what's the current state of the Pinephone? Is it viable as a daily driver? Half a year ago I was still hearing about broken suspend, power issues, broken call/SMS, etc.

0xfaded 6y ago
I was an early Firefox phone user and for six months happily put up with these types of annoyances with the hope that they would improve. I only stopped using it once it became clear things had stagnated. If this achieves sufficient penetration to get past the stagnation valley of doom, I'll jump on the bandwagon again with the same hopes. Unfortunately I don't have work as much time as I used to back then though :(
- bigiain 6y ago
  I still have mine. I fully intend to have it in my pocket next time I travel to the US. "Sure, you can see my phone. Here, I'll unlock it for you. Go for it! <watches security goon's head assplode>"
avery42 6y ago
I'm currently using Arch Linux ARM (Alarm), but most/all of these things should (or should soon) be working on Mobian (Debian Port), PostmarketOS (PmOS), UBPorts (Ubuntu Touch): - Calls/SMS are working and fairly reliable, although I haven't used them a huge amount - There is some suspend/power saving stuff implemented, and while I haven't had to take it on the go with me for very long (due to quarantine), I think the battery should at least last a full day now, but I think there's definitely room for improvement - Camera should be working on all distros, and there's recently been developments to get 1080p photos, and a 30 FPS "preview" (viewfinder?). These improvements should be on all the distros soon, but IIRC they're only on PmOS and UBPorts right now - Firefox is working pretty well for web browsing. PmOS has a mobile configuration for it [0] (that's also shipped with Alarm now), that fixes/improves some of the UI, adds pinch zoom support, etc. Aside from the occasional crash, I've found it to be pretty fast and reliable (at least compared to when I last tried Gnome Web). The downside is that it's still not fully optimized for touch/mobile compared to other options. Will be interested to see if Mozilla/someone else add some kind of mobile interface to desktop Firefox. - Tested yesterday and bluetooth headphones are working pretty well. Had some issues pairing in the UI, so I had to use SSH and bluetoothctl, but after that everything was pretty smooth. pavucontrol also seems to be working ok if you need something that's missing from the Phosh settings app. - Fractal and Nheko work pretty well for Matrix, but I'm going to try compiling Mirage [1] soon, it's been pretty great on desktop, and apparently the UI supports mobile. This is a rough and very incomplete list, but feel free to ask if there's anything specific I missed. [0]: https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/mobile-config-firefox https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/mobile-config-firefox [1]: https://github.com/mirukana/mirage https://github.com/mirukana/mirage

ljhsiung 6y ago

It's pretty astounding to me how much progress that Pine64 has made in the last year. I just got my Pinebook Pro last week (and typing this comment on it), and funny enough, I've been more productive on it for side projects than I have been for months. I kinda wanted a PineTab, and so am a little sad to hear about the LCD delays, but their commentary and rationale on the delays and LCD QA is a type of transparency that I haven't heard in quite some time and it just builds hype for me.

dudik 6y ago
What do you think caused the productivity boost?
- onerous_beans 6y ago
  At least for me with my Pinebook Pro, it feels a little bit like a typewriter does to me for writing -- it's perfectly capable, and powerful enough for all of my dev work and side projects aside from heavier stuff or any ML, but still limited enough and dedicated enough an environment that I find myself getting more done sitting out in the back yard or on the couch than I would sitting w/ my laptop regularly
- ljhsiung 6y ago
  I'd say the fact that 1) it's very lightweight/portable and 2) a bit more constrained in terms of hardware. I can't open 50 tabs and watch YouTube in the background. Additionally, I have some side projects on ARM code that, previously, I had to cross-compile on my desktop. Native development is a small boost, but not massive in comparison to the smaller hardware. I could get the same "constrained hardware" effect by just hacking an older 2015 laptop, but the laptop is essentially a 2015 CPU with 2019 parts, so if I were to hack an older laptop to upgrade it'd likely be ~$200 since I wouldn't have the advantage of purchasing + assembling parts in bulk to reduce cost (also, my older laptop doesn't have a GPU). Aside from cost, something a hacked older laptop wouldn't have (unless I rip out the CPU from its motherboard, which I wouldn't be willing to do) is the pretty amazing case and how light it is. The lightweightedness and good feel of the case makes it extremely portable for me. Some might argue that "constrained hardware" is a con, but to me that's like saying using a headless system is a con. If you don't need/want it, why use it? Additionally, it's not like you're paying an extra/similar amount for lesser hardware -- it falls far below the typical market $/perf curve.

dmayle 6y ago

Personally, I'm waiting for the next batch of PineTabs. I've been wanting to create a programmable digital picture frame (with touch screen) for some time now, and the hardware costs are pretty high for all of the raspberry pi projects out there vs the $79 for the PineTab. The Amazon Fire 7 is cheaper ($50), but I'd rather build on top of vanilla Linux than try to replace the Amazon OS to strip out Android.

CameronNemo 6y ago

No word on the ARM deal and how they might be affected. They likely don't want to ruffle feathers before the dust is even settled, but I must wonder what is going through their heads. Hopefully they are looking into what it would take to put together a RISC-V SBC.

JustFinishedBSG 6y ago
Why would Pine64 care in anyway about the buyout ?
- fsflover 6y ago
  Because Nvidia has a bad history concerning open source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Open-source_software_support https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia#Open-source_software_su...
  - solarkraft 6y ago
    This doesn't really matter in the mid term. Documentation is mostly a thing of the chip manufacturer and that has already been horrible, but worked around by the Linux community.
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  They use Rockchip and Allwinner chips in their devices. Neither supplier has a perpetual license on the ARM ISA, and both suppliers use ARM Cortex-A CPU designs. Furthermore the Pinephone, Pinebook Pro, Rock64, and RockPro64 boards use Mali graphics. The deal could have a significant effect on who they end up sourcing SoCs from, and what IP is on those SoCs.

errantspark 6y ago

I have a PinePhone and I've been running Manjaro on it for a couple weeks. It's terrible and it's also the only phone I've been truly excited about, well ever. I managed to watch some TV shows on it the other day! It's really cool stuff having a phone that's actually a proper little computer. The power management is terrible, the front camera doesn't have drivers, it's near impossible to do things that seem trivial (play an audiobook at 2x speed) without resorting to the command line. It often ends up in states that need a reboot. It's extremely rough around the edges but I can use it to post on HN while walking around Mountain View, so it's a huge step toward something real exciting. :) Seriously, I love the thing.

Oomoo0sh 6y ago
> It often ends up in states that need a reboot Are you using Phosh? On Mobian, I found Phosh often freezing, especially when I'm downloading big files on my laptop (one of my main uses for my phone is as 4g hotspot). When it happens, I found that I don't need a full reboot, I just have to ssh to the phone and run `sudo service phosh restart` - which is cool, because I don't have to reconfigure the hotspot or even just lose connection, that way.
bitwize 6y ago
That's exactly how I feel about mine. It runs PostmarketOS and I swapped out Phosh for SXMO which, despite being out of left field UI-wise, is way less janky and frustrating. It's still not within spitting distance of Android in terms of UX, let alone iOS, but it is the smartphone revolution we were all hoping for: hackable to the bone, runs all your favorite Linux software and only the software you want, open hardware (but for a few blobs) and hard kill switches for the camera, microphone, and radios. Great things will be built upon a platform like this.
- bergstromm466 6y ago
  > but it is the smartphone revolution we were all hoping for: hackable to the bone I'm starting to get into this stuff, and your comment has me so excited!!
- 6y ago

unwind 6y ago

It's really weird to scroll past all these fantastical hardware achievements/products, and still end up a little bit disappointed since there was no update about their soldering iron (the "Pinecil"). Really looking forward to that one, it seems like a good contender to the TS80/TS100 irons but more open and so on. It should be due for release around end of September, so ... fingers crossed. :)

mmebane 6y ago
I was disappointed, too, but they added an update in a comment[1]: > Right, the Pinecil is coming along; Ben Brown who’s porting his firmware to the RISC-V chip ran into some problems with the prototype we sent him (our fault), so a new unit is on its way to him now. Once he confirms that everything is working as intended we’ll file a production request with the factory. I too am waiting for it with anticipation and hope that it won’t be much longer before we get it in the store. [1]: https://www.pine64.org/2020/09/15/september-update-let-it-sink-in/#comment-2651 https://www.pine64.org/2020/09/15/september-update-let-it-si...
- unwind 6y ago
  Thanks, that's great to hear! Nice find.
- unwind 6y ago
  Late update: it seems they've added a suitable category to their store now, but without any actual product(s) listed. [1]: https://pine64.com/product-category/soldering-irons/ https://pine64.com/product-category/soldering-irons/

maelito 6y ago

Since I've bought the Surface Pro X, I can't go back to laptops with fans and poor battery life. The hardware is great. But Windows is still bad. It can't even display the good clock, as an example of inacceptable bugs. If I could find the same tablet-laptop format, with ubuntu support, that would be perfect, well until Android gets proper desktop support. Wireless Dex by Samsung is very promising, but the perfect portbale monitor isn't there yet.

smcl 6y ago
What's the clock issue you're having?
- maelito 6y ago
  My Surface Pro X currently displays 14:31. I'm in France, it's 13:27. I'm confused about how one can mess so much with this basic feature. It's not even a timezone issue !
  - leonlag 6y ago
    Are you dual booting perhaps? I had this issue on my desktop where linux would display the proper time, but windows would be an hour off no matter what I did. It turns out linux wrote the time it got over NTP to the hardware clock as UTC(the correct way). Windows would then read the hw clock but interpret it as UTC+1(my timezone). Here the relevant archwiki entry: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_time#UTC_in_Windows https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_time#UTC_in_Wind...
zozbot234 6y ago
> If I could find the same tablet-laptop format, with ubuntu support, that would be perfect, well until Android gets proper desktop support. Fedora runs quite well on lots of 2-in-1 pc's (e.g. tablet form factor plus detachable keyboard) these days. I've not really tried Ubuntu, but the hardware tends to be a lot fiddlier than typical laptops or desktops and Fedora has better support for it than Debian-derived distros in my experience. And the GNOME desktop from Fedora works quite well as a "pro" tablet environment.

ArtWomb 6y ago

Ordering my P64 Pro soon. Switching from CrOS. And if all goes well I would consider phone as well. To have as a second device for secure comms with admin hosts ;)

m-p-3 6y ago
In case you're looking for an OS for the P64 Pro: https://blog.elementary.io/elementary-os-on-pinebook-pro/ https://blog.elementary.io/elementary-os-on-pinebook-pro/
- CameronNemo 6y ago
  >For now, though, the kernel is just built into the image at build time and so does not currently receive updates.
  - m-p-3 6y ago
    Ah, that's disappointing but still a step towards official support. Hopefully it will reach a state good enough to become an option. I'd get a Pinebook Pro just for that OS.

OnACoffeeBreak 6y ago

Has anyone else had issues with Pine64 shipping phones or laptops recently? I placed an order July 31 and still don't have shipment information for a PineBook Pro laptop. Support hasn't gotten back to me with any dates for 5 days now.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
The update specifically talks about why the PBP is delayed. Pine64 is a small team, annoying them with requests for ship dates tends to be pointless: They post publicly when shipments go out.
- OnACoffeeBreak 6y ago
  Shipment page [0] says that the current batch update was slated for September 11th. I haven't gotten an update from the batch before that one. I appreciate the fact that they are a small team. It just seems odd that the next shipment has been planned and I haven't heard anything on the shipment before that one. 0: https://www.pine64.org/shipping/ https://www.pine64.org/shipping/