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This post is a poorly disguised argument that racist speech does not create hostile environments for non-racists, and misapplies one aspect of Section 230 while
by floatingatoll 6y ago
This post is a poorly disguised argument that racist speech does not create hostile environments for non-racists, and misapplies one aspect of Section 230 while ignoring another that counters their own argument.
Section 230 explicit grants Google, and publishers, the authority to restrict speech when it is offensive:
> (A) any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected
Racism is offensive content under these terms. If the publishers do not exercise their Section 230 rights to deny service to racist content and the racists that post it, Google will exercise their Section 230 rights to deny service — to restrict their 'banner ad' dialect^ of speech — to racist content and the sites that contain it.
To cut off the usual replies that try to invoke 'free speech' and 'but what about an unrelated example that doesn't include hate speech':
Racism is hate speech, and hate speech is not a form of protected speech. The only slippery slope to be considered here is 'what is considered hate speech?'. Racism is, unquestionably, hate speech. There is no slippery slope for racist speech. It's already at the bottom of the pit.
If this article were about content other than hate speech, it would be interesting. As it stands, it's just 'we shouldn't demonize racism' in the usual 'first amendment' style of overcoat.
Dissecting the article in specific, I find:
> Google threatened to demonetize The Federalist news outlet on the grounds that readers were leaving “racist” comments that advertisers didn’t want to be associated with.
Google threatened to withdraw service from a news outlet over racist user comments.
> The Federalist was targeted only because of its readers’ comments
Google was reacting only to the racist comments and not to the content published by the site operators themselves.
> the alternatives were to either ban comments altogether, moderate/censor them, or make them more difficult to access
Google identifies several technical solutions, but then we have here this most interesting appendix from "The Sociable" itself:
> — all of which discourage real engagement
This phrase suffix attempts to frame "take action against racist comments" as "unrestricted speech is the only 'real' form of engagement". This is false. Racist comments discourages real engagement. Discouraging racist comments discourages racist engagement. Racist engagement is not "real" engagement. It's just racist engagement.
> This means that publishers have to make their sites Google-friendly
"The Sociable" would like to remind you that the issue here is that Google is hostile to "racist comments" — yet, somehow, it's not interesting to them that a major news outlet, The Federalist, was found to have such a degree of racism in their user comments that Google bothered to react at all.
^ Hieroglyphics and GIFs both prove that images are a form of speech. So, then, are banner advertisements.
- talrobinson 6y agoWhy is this being down-voted? It’s a thoughtful argument.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoIt’s an argument that pulls in a bunch of political baggage and just isn’t relevant to the source article. If Google does indeed have a double standard - if they demonetize other websites for hosting nasty comments while defending their right to host nasty comments themselves - that’s bad regardless of what Section 230 permits.
- floatingatoll 6y agoFor whatever it's worth, I would support the concern you're describing if it were simplified to remove the whole Section thing entirely. Specifically: "It would be a double standard if Google refuses to display advertising on other third-party websites alongside racist user content, but then displayed advertising on their own first-party websites alongside racist user content." Google clearly states that they have automated detection of racism, so highlighting examples of Google displaying for-profit advertising on racist speech in Google Groups posts or YouTube comments would be vastly more meaningful an argument that they're applying a more restrictive standard to their customers than they apply to themselves. Either Google does hold those of their own sites that display advertising on user content to the same burden of moderation that they demand from the advertising customers — or they do not, and are therefore hypocritical to do so with others. Whether or not section 230 exists, or is applicable, it simply doesn't matter.
- ribosometronome 6y agoThere is no double standard in arguing that platform creators shouldn't be legally liable for racist user comments while simultaneously arguing that platform creators don't need to be paid for hosting racist user comments. I'm not a Googler, but my impression was that Google mostly holds themselves to this standard. Youtube routinely demonetizes videos with questionable content and blocks ads aimed at racist keywords.
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