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From my friends in Poland I hear many of them are considering moving after the latest election and the direction the country seems to be heading. Good to know t

From my friends in Poland I hear many of them are considering moving after the latest election and the direction the country seems to be heading. Good to know there are tech workers from Belarus to step into their positions.

xiphias2 6y ago
If they get an EU citizenship, they may not stay in Poland for long.
- crispyporkbites 6y ago
  Most likely they will want to stay close to Belarus, as most will have family that remains and be hopeful that their country improves in the future.
  - severino 6y ago
    > be hopeful that their country improves in the future Yes, but things can go into the other direction too, if for example the EU takes over and their good old country turns into another failed state ala Ukraine...
    - Tostino 6y ago
      If the EU takes over they are more likely turn into a failed state? Not quite sure I'm getting what you mean.
      - Nginx487 6y ago
        In any internet topic covering Ukraine or Belarus, you can find at least one toxic Russian actively hating its Western neighbors.
        severino 6y ago
        Only that they don't have to be Russian. One can be a westerner and still be able to think by itself. PS: sometimes I'm a Chinese too.
        krageon 6y ago
        Perhaps we can strip the nationalistic posturing and just say it is toxic then.
        Nginx487 6y ago
        Which means, most probably you never been to Ukraine or Belarus, but you mock or hate them simply for the fact of belonging to their nation. Congrats, this is what nazis during WWII did. What people like you still do.
        severino 6y ago
        Well, it doesn't usually take much time until one starts talking about nazis in a debate, does it? But I'm sure the pro-EU Ukrainians who ousted their legitimate president in 2014 would be very proud of me if I were a nazi, though... https://hoaxeye.com/2014/12/22/nazi-flags-in-ukraine/ https://hoaxeye.com/2014/12/22/nazi-flags-in-ukraine/
        Nginx487 6y ago
        I'm quite sure Russian Nazis with official party would be proud of you even more than freaks from staged photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity FYI, I am Russian myself, I've been to Ukraine many times, and the only problem I spotted is proximity of Russian regime and Russian occupation. And of course, St.Petersburg Lahta workers like you.
    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      Ukraine was taken over by EU? What? This reads like gobbledygook
    - krageon 6y ago
      Even reading this charitably this reads like you need serious help re-discovering the world and what's going on in it.
      - severino 6y ago
        Don't worry, I hope Mr. Navalny resumes his blogging soon so I can be as well informed as you are
        deleted 6y ago
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  - bonoboTP 6y ago
    Germany is just one country further; flights are fast and dirt cheap. If you go abroad, might as well go to a place where salaries are higher.
    - xyzzyz 6y ago
      Surprisingly enough, tech salaries are not that much higher in Germany than they are in Poland. In Germany, the tech wages are surprisingly low, and when you couple that with higher taxes and high cost of living, it is not as attractive as US or Switzerland. In more concrete terms: 60-70k EUR is what you are looking at in Germany in good job markets, while in Poland the figure is 30-40k EUR. When you consider taxes, housing, and other costs, the difference is really not that great.
      - bonoboTP 6y ago
        Life is pretty cheap in Germany if you live a simple life. Supermarkets are famously cheap. Clothes, electronics cost the same as anywhere else. Rent is bearable outside of big cities and jobs are quite well distributed across Germany. The big difference is in the savings. Even if you just make twice as much, your savings per month can be several times higher than in Poland, which makes a lot of difference if you want to go back to your country later on and buy a house etc.
        blub 6y ago
        One has to also mention that living a simple life likely involves living in a smaller town somewhere with all the negative aspects that it involves. i.e. lack of social life, no other like-minded expats, etc.
        bonoboTP 6y ago
        Lots of "small towns" have social life especially university towns. Also, yes, a simple life means not to live like an American expat lol. You can have a social life without spending lots of money if you socialize with "like minded" people who also don't want to waste money. You can have friends over for dinner at home with a few beers from the supermarket, play cards or boardgames or video games, soccer or basketball outside, have a BBQ, watch a movie at home, etc. But it's not like you'd have an American expat-like luxury life in the alternative scenario of staying in Eastern Europe either. The point is, by keeping down your lifestyle you can multiply your savings and escape the cycle of poverty and be able to afford a home in a few years, if you go back to your home country and can support your relatives back home in the meantime. This is a great deal for a lot of people even without the fancy expat-like money-burning lifestyle.

xiphias2 6y ago

If they get an EU citizenship, they may not stay in Poland for long.

crispyporkbites 6y ago
Most likely they will want to stay close to Belarus, as most will have family that remains and be hopeful that their country improves in the future.
- severino 6y ago
  > be hopeful that their country improves in the future Yes, but things can go into the other direction too, if for example the EU takes over and their good old country turns into another failed state ala Ukraine...
  - Tostino 6y ago
    If the EU takes over they are more likely turn into a failed state? Not quite sure I'm getting what you mean.
    - Nginx487 6y ago
      In any internet topic covering Ukraine or Belarus, you can find at least one toxic Russian actively hating its Western neighbors.
      - severino 6y ago
        Only that they don't have to be Russian. One can be a westerner and still be able to think by itself. PS: sometimes I'm a Chinese too.
        krageon 6y ago
        Perhaps we can strip the nationalistic posturing and just say it is toxic then.
        Nginx487 6y ago
        Which means, most probably you never been to Ukraine or Belarus, but you mock or hate them simply for the fact of belonging to their nation. Congrats, this is what nazis during WWII did. What people like you still do.
        severino 6y ago
        Well, it doesn't usually take much time until one starts talking about nazis in a debate, does it? But I'm sure the pro-EU Ukrainians who ousted their legitimate president in 2014 would be very proud of me if I were a nazi, though... https://hoaxeye.com/2014/12/22/nazi-flags-in-ukraine/ https://hoaxeye.com/2014/12/22/nazi-flags-in-ukraine/
        Nginx487 6y ago
        I'm quite sure Russian Nazis with official party would be proud of you even more than freaks from staged photo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity FYI, I am Russian myself, I've been to Ukraine many times, and the only problem I spotted is proximity of Russian regime and Russian occupation. And of course, St.Petersburg Lahta workers like you.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    Ukraine was taken over by EU? What? This reads like gobbledygook
  - krageon 6y ago
    Even reading this charitably this reads like you need serious help re-discovering the world and what's going on in it.
    - severino 6y ago
      Don't worry, I hope Mr. Navalny resumes his blogging soon so I can be as well informed as you are
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
- bonoboTP 6y ago
  Germany is just one country further; flights are fast and dirt cheap. If you go abroad, might as well go to a place where salaries are higher.
  - xyzzyz 6y ago
    Surprisingly enough, tech salaries are not that much higher in Germany than they are in Poland. In Germany, the tech wages are surprisingly low, and when you couple that with higher taxes and high cost of living, it is not as attractive as US or Switzerland. In more concrete terms: 60-70k EUR is what you are looking at in Germany in good job markets, while in Poland the figure is 30-40k EUR. When you consider taxes, housing, and other costs, the difference is really not that great.
    - bonoboTP 6y ago
      Life is pretty cheap in Germany if you live a simple life. Supermarkets are famously cheap. Clothes, electronics cost the same as anywhere else. Rent is bearable outside of big cities and jobs are quite well distributed across Germany. The big difference is in the savings. Even if you just make twice as much, your savings per month can be several times higher than in Poland, which makes a lot of difference if you want to go back to your country later on and buy a house etc.
      - blub 6y ago
        One has to also mention that living a simple life likely involves living in a smaller town somewhere with all the negative aspects that it involves. i.e. lack of social life, no other like-minded expats, etc.
        bonoboTP 6y ago
        Lots of "small towns" have social life especially university towns. Also, yes, a simple life means not to live like an American expat lol. You can have a social life without spending lots of money if you socialize with "like minded" people who also don't want to waste money. You can have friends over for dinner at home with a few beers from the supermarket, play cards or boardgames or video games, soccer or basketball outside, have a BBQ, watch a movie at home, etc. But it's not like you'd have an American expat-like luxury life in the alternative scenario of staying in Eastern Europe either. The point is, by keeping down your lifestyle you can multiply your savings and escape the cycle of poverty and be able to afford a home in a few years, if you go back to your home country and can support your relatives back home in the meantime. This is a great deal for a lot of people even without the fancy expat-like money-burning lifestyle.