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EMule 0.60a
- shrewduser 6y agoI haven't used EMule in a long long time, is it still useful? does anyone use it regularly?
- throwdbaaway 6y agoLast used it 8 or 9 years ago to download z/OS, so I could have the actual DB2 for z/OS running locally via hercules, to help with app development. The download took about 2 weeks to finish. Couldn't find it anywhere else, only on eMule.
- severine 6y agoYes and yes (although technically I use aMule). There's lots of stuff in the EDonkey & Kad networks! aMule itselfs gets updated even less, but hey it works.
- hannob 6y agoNot regularly, but if you're looking for a super obscure documentary that is not on youtube and you cannot buy anywhere - emule/amule may be the place to find it if you're willing to wait a few days or even weeks. Did that a few times.
- aptwebapps 6y agoDC++ used to have the most obscure stuff. I remember finding one site(?server?hub?) that had every single F1 race broadcast (practice, qualifying, and race) for many years. Basically someone had been recording every race on VHS tape and eventually digitized them all and uploaded them. This is just one example of the kind of specializing you could find. I wonder how much of it is still there.
- StavrosK 6y agoOne of the reasons why I like IPFS is that it gives you an immutable links to files like these. If you find the file once, you can get the link and access it again later (assuming people are still seeding) and be sure you're accessing the exact same file you think you are.
- aasasd 6y agoI mean, magnet links are the same thing—with the exception that they aren't widely used between users, to my knowledge, i.e. people aren't too familiar with them and go to search sites instead. (Not to say that the same won't happen in IPFS if it ever gets popular.)
- StavrosK 6y agoDo magnet links work across torrents? Do two different torrents of the same file have the same magnet URI?
- aasasd 6y agoNot sure if any metadata other than the file name affects the hash—e.g. modification times. Chunk sizes likely do. Otherwise, I'd expect the hash to address actual content, though frankly I haven't checked. Edit: in fact, my hasty, belated and superficial skimming suggests that IPFS is an implementation of just a DHT (presumably with some metadata and chunking built in)—i.e. it keeps data itself in about the same way that Bittorrent stores torrent descriptions in the Mainline DHT.
- nyolfen 6y agomagnets are just hashes of the contents
- rakoo 6y agoThe infohash (which identifies the torrent, and thus the magnet link) is a hash of the following structure: http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0003.html#info-dictionary http://bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0003.html#info-dictionary There are some things, beyond the content of the file, that will change the hash: - Path of the file (nature_documentary.avi vs root/nature_documentary.avi) - Name of the file (nature_documentary.avi vs nature_doc.avi) - The pieces length
- devilcius 6y agoI occasionally use aMule on ubuntu (sudo apt-get install amule). Mainly to download classic Italian movies. There are a lot of titles to choose from Commedia all'italiana and neorrealismo, it's fast and I don't have to visit any shady webpage to get them, I just use aMule's search bar.
- einpoklum 6y agoYes, and yes. In fact, it is arguably _more_ useful than BitTorrent on the majority of files people might share. You see, with BitTorrent, you typically share few files, and mostly the ones you just downloaded. There is little incentive to actively seed thousands or tens of thousands of files you don't even know are interesting to people. With the ED2K protocol, the premise is that you share a lot: complete directory structures, and you search your many hashes when others make a request. That is more or less _the_ way to share collections of items/files/media/etc (other than, perhaps, running your own tracker which shares every file in your sharing directories separately).
- whywhywhywhy 6y agoI haven't used EMule but Soulseek is very active.
- boring_twenties 6y agoWow, that brings me back! I had to check and Nicotine Plus was last updated... wait for it... yesterday. I might have to install it for old time's sake.
- cehrlich 6y agoI haven't used EMule in a long time either, but I still use Soulseek occasionally to find stuff that just isn't available anywhere else (legal or otherwise). I have had wishlist searches in Soulseek that were active for months before someone logged in who had that particular thing.
- mollusk 6y agoTIL soulseek has a wishlist.
- iforgotpassword 6y agoSo I tried a few years ago. Was looking for an old obscure TV show and couldn't find that anywhere. Installed aMule on a whim, got it connected and used the search function. Actually found the show, started the download. A minute in it found a couple peers and started downloading, very slowly. Then I remembered that you can see the file name that all the other peers stored the file as locally. It was handy back in the day (around 2001) to spot fakes. For some reason, people back then liked to rename random movies or porn to current blockbusters, so when you look for a new movie you get the wrong thing. That's why eventually websites that manually indexed links took over. So I opened up the window that shows all the file names of the tv show I just added to the download queue, and most of them very explicitly hinted at child porn. I freaked the hell out and nuked the whole installation, deleted everything, overwrote empty parts of the disk with zeros. It just downloaded a few kilobytes of a couple hundred MB, but still... I just thought what would have happened if I hadn't remembered that file name thing and would have found out when trying to play the damn file after downloading it. So probably not gonna use it again anytime soon.
- laksdjfkasljdf 6y ago> I freaked the hell out and nuked the whole installation when something so bad and rare is used as scapegoat for so many unrelated things as part of a fascist power grab, that everyone rather run away than to report when the actual crime happens to the authorities? makes you wonder how much all the 'think of the children' knee jerk legislation actually helps anyone, besides the politicians
- noisem4ker 6y agoI appreciate your view on the matter. In this case, however, as disgusting as it sounds, it's the "authorities" themselves serving that kind of content. Actual honeypots. No point in reporting, they perfectly know. Better to just run away and pretend nothing was seen.
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoYou don’t know that.
- waihtis 6y agoWell this is a blast from the past for sure. I haven't been looking at torrents for ages, mostly because local LEO partnered together with extortion lawyers made it uncomfortable over where I live. Literally extortion in this case, as the legal firms in this business sent blackmail letters to people who's IP addresses had been seen as part of a torrenting activity to either pay a ridiculous settlement fee or go to court.
- exikyut 6y agoWould be kinda cool to, err, "join" some majority of the Wi-Fi networks in your area and download some of the most boring stuff possible (including of course Linux distros)...
- Erlich_Bachman 6y agoIf you list that as the primary reason, why not just use a VPN?
- beagle3 6y agoWhy do you just trust a VPN provider, any VPN provider?
- TuringTest 6y agoWhat is the alternative?
- dewey 6y agoBecause for this use case of avoiding the extortion lawyers this is good enough. Nobody is going to bother with trying to go after some VPN provider when there's millions of people on normal ISPs where they just have to give them a call. As usual, it's all about knowing your threat model.
- Bnshsysjab 6y agoYou don’t think providers would be willing to sell that information for cheap? They’d just saw off country sized chunks and sell bit by bit
- _pmf_ 6y agoMe, I was a mldonkey man.
- robert_foss 6y agoMasochism you say, I'm impressed.
- maxpro 6y agoWow, I was sure all donkeys and mules died a decade ago. Or were full of malware. How is this still usable today? I mean you can find literally everything online for download or stream, without pirating over p2p.
- capableweb 6y agoDepends on what you're looking for, but "literally everything" is not available to download on clearnet, some things can only be found over p2p via groups you'll get invited to/know the right people. HTTP/HTTPS/WS/WSS is also still blocked in many places today, or otherwise tampered with, while p2p presence remains strong in those locations.
- simias 6y agoI haven't used eMule in maybe 15 years but I still torrent a lot. I find that it's massively more convenient and reliable than shady streaming or direct download sites. You just have to find a couple of reliable trackers to get your torrents from. I have a dedicated seedbox though, I suppose that if you download from your home network it could be more annoying.
- riffraff 6y agono, you can't. I've been trying to source some movies from the '90s and they are not available on any streaming service I have access to.
- rglullis 6y agoJust as a very silly example: try to find Pantera's glam rock albums and you see how much the mainstream channels feed you only what they want you to see and consume.
- alanfranz 6y agoI can find all Pantera's albums on Spotify, at least those citied in Wikipedia. But, I agree that sometimes there's content which is hard to find on digital stores or streaming services.
- orliesaurus 6y agoOh my, those were the days... This amd DC++ while everyone else was using Kazaa and Limewire
- nurettin 6y agoI was in germany at the time. University network dc++ had literally everything.
- digikazi 6y agoHa... for some reason I thought Limewire was awful and barely used it. I was however a very big fan of WinMX for many, many years. Happy days! I remember building a massive music collection with it - and sometimes waiting days for a track to download (although usually it was more like hours).
- severine 6y agoAnd sometimes by the time the track or album finished downloading, you knew some of the lyrics by heart! Ah, the memories...
- 3131s 6y agoDC++ and Soulseek for me. I still use Soulseek (via Nicotine) to this day and it's great!
- paulintrognon 6y agoFunny how a software that old, widespread and "battle tested" hasn't had a version 1.0 yet
- aasasd 6y agoEighteen years, same age as what Wine was in ‘alpha’ while being used by everybody including as a backbone to commercial apps.
- brettermeier 6y agoWhere would you find stuff to download? Anyone has good sites / servers?
- aaron695 6y agoI use eMule because it had a rare doco I found on this site. https://docuwiki.net/ https://docuwiki.net/ (Obviously check it's Creative Commons etc before DLing anything) But you can just search in app. But I can't work out if it's worth adding servers or they are all linked? Or where to get servers from. Or what it all means. I guess I should read a manual. (Some search material can be illegal (Not from copyright law). Anyone used to these networks I guess knows this, but if new be careful, you will probably autoshare if you accidentally get it)
- molmalo 6y agoIf it's the same now as it was back when I last used it (more than 15 years ago), it should have a search box. You search within the app itself, it shows the results and you select the file you want to download. You don't need to use an external service.
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- mindfulhack 6y agoWay to go, old friend! P2P technology is important to resist censorship. It does not have an opinion about what content goes through the technology. Like Tor. The important thing is that it's decentralised, which makes it truly "of the people, by the people, for the people". Those saying 'Why use P2P apps if you have nothing illegal to share' are the same ones saying, 'Why need privacy if you have nothing to hide'. They're wrong, they're privileged, they're selfish, and in many cases they're lying hypocrites (and therefore dangerous and abusive people). Long live P2P. The more protocols in active development the better.
- LockAndLol 6y agoMuWire is ahead of you there https://muwire.com/ https://muwire.com/ Like LimeWire and Emule but runs on I2P for anonymity. TOR shouldn't be used for P2P. It's not conceived for that.
- cryo 6y agoSlightly disagree, Tor hidden services are fantastic to implement decentral signal/rendevous services with no single point of failure. I'm using this in my app https://cryonet.io https://cryonet.io Love the fact that it works in many places where plain UDP solutions fail. Once two nodes are connected via a Tor hidden service, other p2p channels can be established and are more appropriate to transfere large files.
- zlatinb 6y agoThere is already a P2P program called OnionShare that uses the TOR network. Never used it, but journalists and activists supposedly use it.
- e12e 6y ago> Once two nodes are connected via a Tor hidden service, other p2p channels can be established and are more appropriate to transfere large files. While maybe not in your concrete case, in general this sounds like really dangerous advice - a quick way to open up for deanomyizing attacks? Hey node behind Tor, send me your IP by requesting this https resource outside of Tor... Etc ?
- Santosh83 6y agoOn a related note, it is remarkable how a program that does several things and deals with more than one network protocol and presents a complex, information-rich, configurable interface can still clock in at about 3 megabytes. I can't help thinking an Electron version of this would be about 250Mb and have 1/4th functionality and consume 1 Gb of memory just idling.
- rbanffy 6y agoYou get a lot of mileage out of platform-native UI elements. Also, people have been making megabyte-sized icons these days.
- Jestar342 6y agoI raised a ticket with Slack when I tried to upload a team-icon. They wanted a _minimum_ of 512px^2. For an icon that will never be larger than 64px^2. They told that was intentional but didn't explain why (I guess the ticket handler just didn't know why) Wtf.
- indeyets 6y agoThat's for "retina" displays. I don't think there are any 8x displays right now, but probably they want to be future-proof for a while
- ardy42 6y ago> That's for "retina" displays. I don't think there are any 8x displays right now, but probably they want to be future-proof for a while It's kinda unreasonable to put restrictions on the users in order to achieve that. I mean, your slack team might not even be around by the time such displays are introduced. Why force the users to jump through hoops for such a silly reason? 90% of the time they're just going to resize whatever image they have in the quickest, dirtiest way to meet the system's arbitrary requirements.
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- einpoklum 6y agoIt's good that development is on-going, but it's a bit saddening that the official client is closed-source and single-platform (if I am not mistaken! Haven't seen an indication to the contrary on the site). I think the platform would fare better, and would decline less, if the software were developed more openly. Note that there is a FOSS client for Linux (and maybe other operating systems): aMule. https://github.com/amule-project/amule/ https://github.com/amule-project/amule/ And while it seems some development (last commit was 8 days ago), it has not seen a proper release for 4 years.
- netol 6y agoeMule is GPL, any closed source fork is likely illegal, even if it's the official client. Apparently, the source code of this release can be found at https://github.com/irwir/eMule/tree/v0.60a https://github.com/irwir/eMule/tree/v0.60a aMule was created as a cross-platform port of eMule as far as I can recall.
- einpoklum 6y agoUmm, the link you gave is for something released in 2016; and not worked on since.
- alanfranz 6y ago> the official client is closed-source and single-platform It's not clear what you're talking about... eDonkey2000 ? I don't know if such software is still used nowadays. Emule is Windows only, but it's open source, you can find the links on their official page and on sourceforge.
- wan23 6y agoeDonkey2000 has been dead for a decade and a half now - https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-sep-13-fi-donkey13-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-sep-13-fi-donke...
- cpach 6y agoWow. I’m almost shocked to see a recent update for eMule of all applications. Throwback thursday for sure! I think I may have used eMule at some point in my youth, like in ~2003 or so.
- fraencko 6y agoThat brings back nostalgia. I remember vividly being active on various eMule mod forums back in ~2005. There was a very active scene back then with some eMule Mods that really pushed things further, MorphXT, Xtreme, StulleMule, eFmod, Sivka, ionix, NeoMule and ScarAngel come to mind. So much drama with leecher mods (leecher was negatively connotated in regards to the ed2k-protocol) that tried to download more than uploading or upload to clients only that had proven to pay back with higher speeds. But also really innovative ideas like downloading from clients that used a thin HTTP server within the client, leveraging your ISPs proxies (Webcache/Peercache feature) for higher download speeds. Also so many discussions where the network should be heading with the main Client devs famously mute in regards to those discussions and drama. The main benefits of eMule/ed2K, compared to torrenting, were file discoverability (serverless thanks to Kad search) and longetivity of files. It was actually relatively hard to find a file that was dead, because people kept sharing as long as they downloaded, often much longer. Download speeds were much slower than Torrents, even back then, and that was an advantage because that kept so many files alive. Great times that basically ended because of „p2p sheriff“ companies, Torrents and the dawn of One Click Hosters like Rapidshare that promised privacy and better download speeds. To this day I am wondering if eMule would still have an active userbase if it had some sort of mechanism that (via opt-in) allowed clients to download from trustworthy „friends“ only and pipelined those downloads from the „public“ ed2k network through these friends and their friends' networks. Yeah, may be a bad idea but to my knowledge never really got explored.
- conradfr 6y agoYes on eMule you could find cool and rare stuff just by searching because users basically shared folders. I miss that (well I guess this post says I can still use it).
- danmg 6y ago>To this day I am wondering if eMule would still have an active userbase if it had some sort of mechanism that (via opt-in) allowed clients to download from trustworthy „friends“ only and pipelined those downloads from the „public“ ed2k network through these friends and their friends' networks. Yeah, may be a bad idea but to my knowledge never really got explored. This is what RetroShare does.
- donatj 6y agoI played with aMule, similar project, about 6 months ago. Used to use it like 10 years ago. Almost all the server nodes were themselves just SPAM, their names advertising prescription drugs for cheap, as well as dating sites. I found myself very disappointed with the state of the ecosystem.
- creamynebula 6y agoEEEhhhh, I used Emule around 2003-2008, mostly for downloading music and books, but since then I've been getting everything I need from either torrent or http ddl. What kind of things do you people seek in emule nowadays?
- grzaks 6y agoPlease be aware, that the most popular emule server software available many years ago was backdoored. That's why it was distributed as a binary, without code.
- 0134340 6y agoSource? I remember trying it last year for old time's sake and I'd like to know in what way it could've compromised the OS.
- zantana 6y agoWhat's the likelihood of getting hassled by your ISP for running this? I always assume that the main target is torrent traffic these days and all the rest is mostly being ignored, due to the volume of torrent enforcement, but would be interested if anyone had any experience otherwise. Asking for a friend.
- ComputerGuru 6y agoYour ISP doesn’t give a crap what you download, they just care about the GB downloaded and a specially uploaded. Users are harassed when the ISP gets a legal notice from a copyright holder that has “proof” of infringement by your IP.
- m1cl 6y agoI like that
- m1cl 6y agoI like that.
- BuildTheRobots 6y agoWow, what a blast from the past! You won't remember me (certainly not under this name), but I briefly hosted the download for the installer in 2003 which was just hidden in a subfolder of my works website. Fun times, thrilled it's still going :)
- filmgirlcw 6y agoHoly shit this takes me back!!
- jakearmitage 6y agoWhat a blast from the past. The project, the forum software, the community around it. What a delicious injection of nostalgia. Thank you!
- skee0083 6y agoWill these changes come to aMule for Linux as well?