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HN is not the best platform to from anti-capitalism sentiments. There's a lot of privilege here and it makes people pretty blind to how awful capitalism is (and
by dencodev 6y ago
HN is not the best platform to from anti-capitalism sentiments. There's a lot of privilege here and it makes people pretty blind to how awful capitalism is (and the things it creates, like anti-union sentiment).
- colinmhayes 6y agoYes, capitalism is awful, but it's by far the best idea we've got.
- beeboop 6y agoPlease, go on and continue the propaganda about how socialism and communism doesn't work. Please point to failed nations/states that had communism and explain how they failed due to communism and that it definitely wasn't anything else.
- dforrestwilson 6y agoWhat are you suggesting?
- colinmhayes 6y agoBecoming a communist state is impossible. The leader of the socialist state won't let it happen. Power corrupts, why should we be putting more power in the hands of the state in hopes that one day it will relinquish it?
- crististm 6y agoYes, they work alright, that is, until they turn into totalitarianism. Which they did, everywhere they were implemented.
- crististm 6y agoYou should come back in time 30-40 years and try a dose of prime-time communism yourself since you are so sure of yourself. Or, since you admit being ignorant about history, go read a book or two about Stalin. Keyboard warrior. No, they didn't fail from the communism. They failed from the people in power that made sure that competency was not to be rewarded. That no-one else but _them_ would continue to rule. That is communism! Dumbass!
- djsumdog 6y agoAnd keep in mind, we don't have a "pure" capitalism like the insane libertarian types would. (Remember how Ron Paul said Civil Rights legislation was unnecessary because the market would have taken care of it? It took years of fixing the system with child labour laws, union laws, anti-discrimination laws, factory strikes, workers riots, civil rights laws, minimum wage, etc. Capitalism works in the Nations where it does because of years of regulation to make it more fair and to weed out exploitation. People wanting to dismantle the state right now (and make no mistake, many of these riots have a lot of anarco-anti-cap/antifa people in them causing the violence) do not understand they will not get a better State. They'll be lucky to get some stable regions, but when a State falls there's a power vacuum. Then you have to start over .. and there will be a ton of corruption until you get everything "right" again.
- kiliantics 6y ago> because of years of regulation to make it more fair and to weed out exploitation Actually it's because of years of union-organising, putting pressure on companies and governments to implement these measures. Without unions, we would have none of these improved work conditions and protections.
- rumanator 6y ago> Remember how Ron Paul said Civil Rights legislation was unnecessary because the market would have taken care of it? I wonder how people could make such an argument if they have historical records of business owners rejecting more paying customers and spending more to put together duplicate infrastructure just because they felt that some paying customers had to be subjected to degraded levels of service just because.
- triceratops 6y agoFaith doesn't require evidence.
- winphone1974 6y agoWorse: fail rejects evidence
- Frondo 6y agoUnions aren't anti-capitalist, they explicitly work within a capitalist framework to ensure better pay and working conditions for their workers. Unions deal in money and don't seek to change that, unions recognize and don't challenge ownership of the business. What about them makes them anti-capitalist, except that they seek to shift the balance of "who, of all the people working on a business, gets paid what for the operation of a business"?
- sitkack 6y agoIn mature union relations, they also ensure the long term viability of the business. I knew someone through a friend that was kicked out of the carpenters union for not being good enough. Their accreditation can be quite strict.
- dantheman 6y agoI'd like to see where they're ensuring long term viability - every group they work with in the US is either facing a pension crisis or is not thriving.
- sitkack 6y agoThat is simply not true and a common anti-union trope. Unions should have mandatory representation on corporate boards. Broadcom would be my first choice.
- calcifer 6y ago> What about them makes them anti-capitalist They only exist because without them, capitalism and its advocates brutally oppress the workers, keeping them in a perpetual state of poverty. The fact that they are not literally trying to overthrow the regime doesn't mean they aren't anti-capitalist.
- hlandau 6y agoUnions are extortion rackets and price fixing cartels. As such, they are not only unethical in themselves and should be illegal, they constitute an attempt to obstruct capitalism. Amusingly, this hypocrisy is literally embedded in US antitrust law: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/17 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/17 Literally "price fixing cartels are bad, except when they aren't".
- throwaway42092 6y agoAmazing how many downvotes you collect for pointing out this.