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AMD Is Fighting For Its Life

19 points by mojuba 18y ago

jdoliner 18y ago
My personal experience with AMD has been pretty miserable. As the proud owner of an ATI (acquired by AMD 2 years ago) video card I've watched new drivers roll out, wondering when AMD would decide to support its product. They even refused for a long time to release APIs so that the opensource community could aid in development. So I can see why these guys are dead in the water. Two questions: Is there any chance of ATI not going under with them? Before they were acquired they were good. Second Intel and nVidia might (probably will) simultanously lose their most direct competitors. Is another company going to fill the niche are might they begin viaing for each others market shares?
- vizard 18y ago
  I think ATI will be bought off by someone .. maybe even Intel given that Intel is now developing its own GPUs. On the x86 front, the only possible acquirer for AMD CPU divison seems to be IBM. Sun also bought a x86 startup a few months back but Sun has its own problems. Samsung was considered as another contender but Samsung wont actually get the x86 license (the license can only be transferred to US based companies I believe). Or maybe AMD will survive. They need to find a new management and probably need to deeply collaborate with IBM on fabs and tech. Despite Nvidia's sabre rattling, it cannot compete with Intel on the CPU front though Intel certainly has the resources to give Nvidia a fight.
  - josefresco 18y ago
    AMD competed very well with Intel for years, only recently have they fallen behind with the dominance of the Core 2 Duo chips. I wouldn't count them out just yet. Also, why would AMD who recently (2006) bought ATI sell it to Intel??? Makes no sense.
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mojuba 18y ago
I think Apple + AMD merger/acquisition would make more sense than anything else in this situation. And if it's going to happen, this is the right time more than ever.
- felix_t 18y ago
  Well, I think it would make much more sense for IBM to take over AMD. They have an entire history together, they've shared/are sharing multiple technological solutions and don't forget the mountain of rumors surrounding the possibility of an IBM/AMD merger http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IBM+AMD&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IBM+AMD&btnG=Se... As for my personal experience with AMD, I have had only pleasant encounters. I believe they've made quite a performance with beating the bytes out of INTEL in the 2001-2005 interval. I think that's an important achievement for AMD, being able to stay extremely competitive for that period of time + the fact that they were a small fraction of the INTEL's presence. But the big mistake AMD did was that they dedicate all there power (money and labor) on retouching the K8 (which was basically an enhanced K7) architecture. They should, really, have invested in an alternative solution (maybe an early big project with IBM?) contrary to the strategy they've embraced. Just my opinion.
  - mojuba 18y ago
    Regardless of the readiness of IBM or any other monster in the field to take over AMD, we are talking about scenarios that make more sense. As a consumer, do you care about IBM and what they are doing? I don't. Now, some basic facts: Apple needs (and presumably wants) to be independent; Apple's software will run nicely on AMD; AMD got 64-bitness right even before Intel; own video card would be a big bonus for Apple. And this is probably not all.
    - felix_t 18y ago
      Well, why would Apple have gone with Intel in the first place? The Apple/Intel relation is far more deeper then it looks or one understands. http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/13/apple-and-intel-best-buddies/ http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/13/apple-and-in... And the fact is that AMD is quite large (especially considering the acquisition of ATI) and even that it's market share dropped significantly it's still a hard buy to digest. I personally don't thing that Apple would make such a risky buy knowing what the ATI acquisition made to AMD itself. And also a fact is that AMD did very well on the server market. A buy would mean for IBM a win/win situation. What could possibly stand in IBM's way of reentering the mainstream market? One lesson I've come to learn is that as bigger is one's portfolio of good products as better is for one's income. Don't you agree?
anr 18y ago
That's a shame. We have to thank AMD for the x86-64 architecture ("64-bit for the masses").
patrickg-zill 18y ago
Would not be surprised if a large fab like TSMC bought them.
kirse 18y ago
AMD isn't headed under yet, but their Fusion core better kick some serious ass, similar to the release of the original Athlon64. Also, some more good news for AMD: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/10/all-nvidia-8400m-8600m-chips-faulty/ http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/10/all-nvidia-8400m-8600m-ch...
jellofish 18y ago
I'm a regular HN community member (under a different account). Coincidentally, I also work for AMD. Everything I say here is my own words and none of this is endorsed/backed by my employer. From what I can tell, AMD's strategies are more long-term than some people would like. For instance, we're taking time to rewrite software when we could squeak by with just modifying it. We just reorganized my entire building. These things have lots of up-front costs: lost time, productivity, etc. But I would be surprised if they didn't pay off in the future. Until last month, we were in a hiring/raise freeze. Most benefits were frozen (profit sharing, buying stock, etc.) Now that stuff is being lifted. Management believes (as do most employees) that we have passed the worst of the storm. HR and legal can be a real pain (more so than many other companies i've worked at). They can regularly prevent real things from happening. Thankfully, they are physically seperated from the hardware/software boys (literally on the other side of town). They have a dress code; we don't, they have lots of inane security policies (no camera phones, etc.), we don't, etc. The management style is very hands-off (at least for hardware/software boys), which is both good and bad. The "very good" developers can really shine. If you want to work on something, just do it. Rarely do you need manager approval, and if you do it's usually just one level up. I've had several ideas that I've gotten a chance to implement in the last few months that have really streamlined the manufacturing process and saved the company a lot of money. On the other hand, average/mediocre software developers are totally lost. Upper-level management communication basically consists of elaborate ways of saying "Make more money" and "make chips fail less" and that sort of thing, things everybody should already know anyway. How to go about doing any of that is largely left up to the ingenuity of the small team or even individual developer. Great for smart people; bad for mediocre developers. I certainly don't think AMD is in danger of collapsing or anything. It's just not as competitive at this precise moment as it was in 2001-2005. I can say that the company is treating its engineers/developers right--flexible hours, casual dress, nice facilities, all the sort of things that lead to happy programmers/engineers and great products. Most of the employees in my building seem to own stock, so I would imagine they also think AMD has a good future.

19 points by mojuba 18y ago

My personal experience with AMD has been pretty miserable. As the proud owner of an ATI (acquired by AMD 2 years ago) video card I've watched new drivers roll out, wondering when AMD would decide to support its product. They even refused for a long time to release APIs so that the opensource community could aid in development. So I can see why these guys are dead in the water. Two questions: Is there any chance of ATI not going under with them? Before they were acquired they were good. Second Intel and nVidia might (probably will) simultanously lose their most direct competitors. Is another company going to fill the niche are might they begin viaing for each others market shares?

vizard 18y ago
I think ATI will be bought off by someone .. maybe even Intel given that Intel is now developing its own GPUs. On the x86 front, the only possible acquirer for AMD CPU divison seems to be IBM. Sun also bought a x86 startup a few months back but Sun has its own problems. Samsung was considered as another contender but Samsung wont actually get the x86 license (the license can only be transferred to US based companies I believe). Or maybe AMD will survive. They need to find a new management and probably need to deeply collaborate with IBM on fabs and tech. Despite Nvidia's sabre rattling, it cannot compete with Intel on the CPU front though Intel certainly has the resources to give Nvidia a fight.
- josefresco 18y ago
  AMD competed very well with Intel for years, only recently have they fallen behind with the dominance of the Core 2 Duo chips. I wouldn't count them out just yet. Also, why would AMD who recently (2006) bought ATI sell it to Intel??? Makes no sense.
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mojuba 18y ago

I think Apple + AMD merger/acquisition would make more sense than anything else in this situation. And if it's going to happen, this is the right time more than ever.

felix_t 18y ago
Well, I think it would make much more sense for IBM to take over AMD. They have an entire history together, they've shared/are sharing multiple technological solutions and don't forget the mountain of rumors surrounding the possibility of an IBM/AMD merger http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IBM+AMD&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IBM+AMD&btnG=Se... As for my personal experience with AMD, I have had only pleasant encounters. I believe they've made quite a performance with beating the bytes out of INTEL in the 2001-2005 interval. I think that's an important achievement for AMD, being able to stay extremely competitive for that period of time + the fact that they were a small fraction of the INTEL's presence. But the big mistake AMD did was that they dedicate all there power (money and labor) on retouching the K8 (which was basically an enhanced K7) architecture. They should, really, have invested in an alternative solution (maybe an early big project with IBM?) contrary to the strategy they've embraced. Just my opinion.
- mojuba 18y ago
  Regardless of the readiness of IBM or any other monster in the field to take over AMD, we are talking about scenarios that make more sense. As a consumer, do you care about IBM and what they are doing? I don't. Now, some basic facts: Apple needs (and presumably wants) to be independent; Apple's software will run nicely on AMD; AMD got 64-bitness right even before Intel; own video card would be a big bonus for Apple. And this is probably not all.
  - felix_t 18y ago
    Well, why would Apple have gone with Intel in the first place? The Apple/Intel relation is far more deeper then it looks or one understands. http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/13/apple-and-intel-best-buddies/ http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/13/apple-and-in... And the fact is that AMD is quite large (especially considering the acquisition of ATI) and even that it's market share dropped significantly it's still a hard buy to digest. I personally don't thing that Apple would make such a risky buy knowing what the ATI acquisition made to AMD itself. And also a fact is that AMD did very well on the server market. A buy would mean for IBM a win/win situation. What could possibly stand in IBM's way of reentering the mainstream market? One lesson I've come to learn is that as bigger is one's portfolio of good products as better is for one's income. Don't you agree?

anr 18y ago

That's a shame. We have to thank AMD for the x86-64 architecture ("64-bit for the masses").

patrickg-zill 18y ago

Would not be surprised if a large fab like TSMC bought them.

kirse 18y ago

AMD isn't headed under yet, but their Fusion core better kick some serious ass, similar to the release of the original Athlon64. Also, some more good news for AMD: http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/10/all-nvidia-8400m-8600m-chips-faulty/ http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/10/all-nvidia-8400m-8600m-ch...

jellofish 18y ago

I'm a regular HN community member (under a different account). Coincidentally, I also work for AMD. Everything I say here is my own words and none of this is endorsed/backed by my employer. From what I can tell, AMD's strategies are more long-term than some people would like. For instance, we're taking time to rewrite software when we could squeak by with just modifying it. We just reorganized my entire building. These things have lots of up-front costs: lost time, productivity, etc. But I would be surprised if they didn't pay off in the future. Until last month, we were in a hiring/raise freeze. Most benefits were frozen (profit sharing, buying stock, etc.) Now that stuff is being lifted. Management believes (as do most employees) that we have passed the worst of the storm. HR and legal can be a real pain (more so than many other companies i've worked at). They can regularly prevent real things from happening. Thankfully, they are physically seperated from the hardware/software boys (literally on the other side of town). They have a dress code; we don't, they have lots of inane security policies (no camera phones, etc.), we don't, etc. The management style is very hands-off (at least for hardware/software boys), which is both good and bad. The "very good" developers can really shine. If you want to work on something, just do it. Rarely do you need manager approval, and if you do it's usually just one level up. I've had several ideas that I've gotten a chance to implement in the last few months that have really streamlined the manufacturing process and saved the company a lot of money. On the other hand, average/mediocre software developers are totally lost. Upper-level management communication basically consists of elaborate ways of saying "Make more money" and "make chips fail less" and that sort of thing, things everybody should already know anyway. How to go about doing any of that is largely left up to the ingenuity of the small team or even individual developer. Great for smart people; bad for mediocre developers. I certainly don't think AMD is in danger of collapsing or anything. It's just not as competitive at this precise moment as it was in 2001-2005. I can say that the company is treating its engineers/developers right--flexible hours, casual dress, nice facilities, all the sort of things that lead to happy programmers/engineers and great products. Most of the employees in my building seem to own stock, so I would imagine they also think AMD has a good future.