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The issue will be enforcement of these laws. How will you regulate the possession and distribution of IMUs and electric motors? Hell most of the parts you nee

by Teever 6y ago

The issue will be enforcement of these laws. How will you regulate the possession and distribution of IMUs and electric motors? Hell most of the parts you need to build a drone are available in a used cellphone and many of the rest can be 3d printed.

phobosanomaly 6y ago
To underscore your point, here's an example of how easy it is to get god-tier military hardware in Mexico from one of the many people breaking bad across the border in the US. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/arming-mexican-cartels-inside-story-of-a-texas-gun-smuggling-ring-866836/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/arming... This fella in Texas was selling .50-cals and miniguns straight to the Cartels for years. There are likely many, many more like him. Mexican think tanks have spent years trying to figure out how the hell to stop the massive flow of weapons into Mexico from Texas and Arizona. https://www.mexicoevalua.org/mexicoevalua/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/000PolicyBrief_Seguridad.pdf https://www.mexicoevalua.org/mexicoevalua/wp-content/uploads... US think tanks too, notably David Shirk at USD has done a bunch of work on this. https://catcher.sandiego.edu/items/peacestudies/way_of_the_gun.pdf https://catcher.sandiego.edu/items/peacestudies/way_of_the_g...
- sukilot 6y ago
  There was an absolutely trivial solution: send a few fighter planes to blow up the haciendas and spray herbicide on the plantations. But the US government prefers to profit and make political hay from the drug war.
  - phobosanomaly 6y ago
    I think a lot of it has shifted over into meth as well, with the availability of cheap precursors from China, and loose security on ports. Can't stop it at the source anymore.
  - nradov 6y ago
    In 2019 the Trump administration considered formally designating the Mexican drug cartels as terrorist organizations. They backed off on that approach, but had they gone ahead it probably would have led to drone strikes. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50697635 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50697635
  - Teever 6y ago
    Dude that's how you get the child of American senators kidnapped andmailed back in pieces or another 9/11. Everything sounds simple in theory until you think of the consequences.
  - vidarh 6y ago
    It's been tried. It didn't work.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
If they made it legal to shoot them on sight in Texas that would go a long ways here to keep their numbers down.
zdragnar 6y ago
It is quite easy to make your own bombs and firearms as well, all with perfectly legal materials. They may not have the effectiveness of commercially made versions, but they'll get the job done in a pinch. Typically, I think, laws against possession of such homemade illegal goods are enforced as add-on charges to other crimes, unless you are selling them.
- imtringued 6y ago
  There was a German terrorist trying to shoot up a Synagogue in Halle. He had an impressive stash of homemade firearms yet none of them were powerful enough to actually open the thick wooden gate to the synagogue. A ladder and a knife would have killed more people. You're going to run into the same situation with drones. It is easy to imagine some super complicated drone based attack scheme when there are far simpler and more effective methods of taking care of a target involving firearms.

by Teever 6y ago

phobosanomaly 6y ago

To underscore your point, here's an example of how easy it is to get god-tier military hardware in Mexico from one of the many people breaking bad across the border in the US. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/arming-mexican-cartels-inside-story-of-a-texas-gun-smuggling-ring-866836/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/arming... This fella in Texas was selling .50-cals and miniguns straight to the Cartels for years. There are likely many, many more like him. Mexican think tanks have spent years trying to figure out how the hell to stop the massive flow of weapons into Mexico from Texas and Arizona. https://www.mexicoevalua.org/mexicoevalua/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/000PolicyBrief_Seguridad.pdf https://www.mexicoevalua.org/mexicoevalua/wp-content/uploads... US think tanks too, notably David Shirk at USD has done a bunch of work on this. https://catcher.sandiego.edu/items/peacestudies/way_of_the_gun.pdf https://catcher.sandiego.edu/items/peacestudies/way_of_the_g...

sukilot 6y ago
There was an absolutely trivial solution: send a few fighter planes to blow up the haciendas and spray herbicide on the plantations. But the US government prefers to profit and make political hay from the drug war.
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  I think a lot of it has shifted over into meth as well, with the availability of cheap precursors from China, and loose security on ports. Can't stop it at the source anymore.
- nradov 6y ago
  In 2019 the Trump administration considered formally designating the Mexican drug cartels as terrorist organizations. They backed off on that approach, but had they gone ahead it probably would have led to drone strikes. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50697635 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50697635
- Teever 6y ago
  Dude that's how you get the child of American senators kidnapped andmailed back in pieces or another 9/11. Everything sounds simple in theory until you think of the consequences.
- vidarh 6y ago
  It's been tried. It didn't work.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

If they made it legal to shoot them on sight in Texas that would go a long ways here to keep their numbers down.

zdragnar 6y ago

It is quite easy to make your own bombs and firearms as well, all with perfectly legal materials. They may not have the effectiveness of commercially made versions, but they'll get the job done in a pinch. Typically, I think, laws against possession of such homemade illegal goods are enforced as add-on charges to other crimes, unless you are selling them.

imtringued 6y ago
There was a German terrorist trying to shoot up a Synagogue in Halle. He had an impressive stash of homemade firearms yet none of them were powerful enough to actually open the thick wooden gate to the synagogue. A ladder and a knife would have killed more people. You're going to run into the same situation with drones. It is easy to imagine some super complicated drone based attack scheme when there are far simpler and more effective methods of taking care of a target involving firearms.