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Introverts vs extroverts. Humans are social animals. Socialization is a basic human need. It is much harder for some people to stay inside and not socialize tha

Introverts vs extroverts. Humans are social animals. Socialization is a basic human need. It is much harder for some people to stay inside and not socialize than others. We are now on month 7 of being told to not socialize or see or do anything. I continue to obey the orders, but I totally get why some people are starting to crack.

HenryKissinger 6y ago
> Socialization is a basic human need.
ceejayoz 6y ago
> We are now on month 7 of being told to not socialize... "Keep your distance, wear a mask, and stick to small groups" is not the same as "do not socialize".
- at-fates-hands 6y ago
  Considering most states have been in full on shelter in place lock down mode, there aren't many places people can socialize anyways. All of the normal places where you see people socialize have bee closed or went out business. Restaurants, bars, night clubs, sporting events, live music (festivals and stadiums) and many, many others. It would be one thing to conform to what your saying, but its become hard if not impossible to find safe places where people CAN socialize, so they take what they get regardless of the risks to them or others.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Parks? Backyards? A walk around the neighborhood? Outdoor dining? If you can't socialize outside a bar, that's on you.
    - jlg23 6y ago
      In a lot of urban environments access to the obvious outdoor alternatives is pretty limited.
    - bazzert 6y ago
      the media have consistently demonized people at beaches and parks. Lightfoot fenced off the beaches in Chicago, Newsom did the same in CA. It's ridiculous; and its why people are skeptical of their intentions.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/zeynep https://twitter.com/zeynep has been very critical of the beach photos thing, and you'll find we're in agreement on that point. Even in articles about house parties, major media outlets go and grab a beach photo for some reason. It's bad reporting.
    - daseiner1 6y ago
      I had just graduated college and moved to a new city on a new coast before lockdowns started. I essentially have no in-person social network to speak of, currently. My parents lived overseas up until a month ago. Folks my age (early 20s) are happy to socialize with their established friends. Less so with strangers. All the places shut down are the standard avenues for folks like me to meet new people. I was entirely alone for 4 months. My life was hell. And all the while my company talks about difficulties being at home with family, and figuring out childcare (and has freed up resources to help their employees do so). No mention, ever, of any effort to establish meetups for low-risk, early-career employees, not that I'd expect that. No one particularly cares about people in my situation (not that rare). Comments like this and the ever popular "it's just a mask!" show a remarkable lack of awareness and understanding. Yes, that's perhaps overly selfish of me. Yes, there are people at serious risk, and many people dying or developing life-long serious complications. But this has been the worst period in my entire life, by far. I was regularly, very seriously, suicidal (have since moved back in with my parents now that they're stateside, starting to get better). All the policies and all the talk are oriented around having a network of close relations to fall back on. That doesn't exist for everyone.
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        How do you figure on "it's just a mask!"?
      - rapind 6y ago
        I think cases like this are almost completely overlooked. I'm also concerned/saddened by young children who's parents just moved to a new town (moving is not uncommon when many can't afford mortgage/rent due to covid lay offs). We're going to see pretty significant long term effects to both the economy and children / young people due to a lack of social development. I couldn't even imagine how shitty being a 20 something in a new city would be now. Dating has to be practically non-existent. Should say that I'm for and obey covid restrictions in my country (Canada), but I'm amoung the privileged few already working from home, and have a family and kids that keep me busy.
  - xmprt 6y ago
    1. There's so much outdoor space to socialize. You make it seem like the choice is between doing it indoors or not doing it at all. 2. Why can't people socialize online? It's even easier nowadays. It might not be the same thing but it can get pretty close.
    - fuzxi 6y ago
      >2. Why can't people socialize online? It's even easier nowadays. It might not be the same thing but it can get pretty close. It is not anywhere near close. Video calls transfer speech, tone of voice, and facial expressions at best. Body language is a vital part of face-to-face communication, and there is no video call equivalent of leaning in towards someone or putting your hand on theirs.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    No state in the USA is or has ever been "in full on shelter in place lock down mode" during the pandemic. Many states issued half-assed stay at home orders, which in practice ended up being voluntary and unenforced. Throughout it all, there were people who were out horsing around, doing whatever they wanted, and not facing legal consequences. Vanishingly few people were arrested for violating stay-at-home, despite it being legally enforceable as a misdemeanor. Thankfully most people did their part, but to call it "lock down" is a bit of an exaggeration.
- alexbanks 6y ago
  I think you're both kind of right. There are ads on pretty much every medium that say "Stay Home", which is not at all what you're describing. To say "nobody is saying do not socialize" is untrue, but to say "We're not allowed to socialize" is also untrue.
- Alupis 6y ago
  > "Keep your distance, wear a mask, and stick to small groups" is not the same as "do not socialize". Ok, but then we have people doing solo activities, all by themselves, minding their own business -- getting arrested by lunatics[1] because we said no beach allowed during Covid[2]! How do we reconcile that? [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-03/paddle-boarder-arrested-in-malibu-after-flouting-coronavirus-closures https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-03/paddle-b... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpsaSfoqUtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpsaSfoqUtU
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    > April 3, 2020 You'll find California (and everywhere else) has loosened up substantially on outdoor activities, as we have substantially more information in recent months on outdoor versus indoor transmission. We've learned a lot since April about COVID-19.
    - Alupis 6y ago
      Even during the height of beach-chasing in the LA area, it was well known being outdoors was far safer than being stuck indoors. It wasn't about safety. Arresting a lone surfer or lone beach jogger isn't about safety. It's about compliance. You must comply.
      - chillwaves 6y ago
        Maybe some people think enforcing compliance is about safety. This whole discussion is absurd. If people actually did comply, then they wouldn't get arrested and we would have had a far more successful outcome nationwide.
        mixmastamyk 6y ago
        No one (statistically) was spreading it at the beach, so all the hand-wringing and blaming now and then that you're engaging in has shown to be arrogant and incorrect.
      - 6y ago
cik2e 6y ago
I find the topic of introverts vs extraverts to be extremely fascinating. My wife and I are pretty big introverts, but she is somewhat shy whereas I am not. She loved group exercise due to the external motivation factor but has actively avoided getting into conversations in that setting. I am also not one for striking up conversations with strangers but have been known to get quite chatty with people who initiate. On the whole, both of us loved the lockdown for the 2-3 months but after that, not being able to see our close friends really started wearing on us. We were some of the first in our group to start expanding our quarantine units. Sometimes I need to remind myself of this, but the right amount of social interaction is a very rewarding and enriching part of the human experience.
ardy42 6y ago
> We are now on month 7 of being told to not socialize or see or do anything. What? That's a pretty exaggerated misrepresentation of what's actually being recommended. You can socialize and see or do plenty while still obeying the recommendations. For instance, my elderly neighbors regularly socialize with others -- they just put chairs out on the driveway or patio and maintain two or three times the distance as they would before the pandemic.
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ramoz 6y ago
That has nothing to do with lifting weights and availability to lifting.
alistairSH 6y ago
...We are now on month 7... And if people had actually sheltered in place back in March, we might be opening back up (or opening with fewer COVID clusters).
- jdhn 6y ago
  I don't believe this for a second. The total number of people that managed to contract it in New Zealand within the last week was under 10, and they locked down an entire city because of it.
  - alistairSH 6y ago
    So you're saying the lockdown worked?
    - jdhn 6y ago
      No, I'm saying that the response in regards to the number of people who have contracted it is utterly ridiculous.
      - monocasa 6y ago
        Their response _allowed_ them to keep the number of people who contracted down. As of now, the US has more than 100x deaths per capita from covid than New Zealand because of measures like that.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        Why? "Everyone stop moving around for a few days so we can contact trace and test these people without it spreading more" seems like a very good mitigation. It has worked well for NZ thus far; they've been able to demask, hug, and live life pretty much normally for a while now. I'd happily take the occasional few days hard lockdown in exchange for that.
      - albedoa 6y ago
        This is absolutely crazy. You are arguing the point of the comment that you say you don't believe.
Teever 6y ago
We live in an unprecedented age of communication and media. I have a hard time taking any so called 'extrovert' seriously when they say that they can't handle the current state of 'non-socializing.' Maybe these extroverts aren't extroverts and instead they're regular people suffering from withdrawal because we live in an over-socialized society.
fuzxi 6y ago
Month 7? I thought lockdowns, shelter-in-place, etc. largely began in March. That would make this month 5.
- Rapzid 6y ago
  Mid to late March after news of Italy started blowing up. Started with spring break extensions and "temporary shutdowns". It's incredible how quickly recent history gets mixed up.. Buy yeah, we are just finishing out month 5 and heading into 6. But the most stringent lock downs were only into May for a lot of places; at least hear in San Antonio.
ironman1478 6y ago
I'm an extrovert. I can find ways to occupy my time. I've picked up drawing, meditation, and running. I want to talk to people in person, get drinks, go to shows, etc. It's not hard to find something else to do for a short amount of time in the grand scheme of things. Get a therapist if it's that difficult. Preventing the spread of disease is more important than hanging out with your friends. The burden of the disease falls on people like nurses, essential workers, etc. and you are making their jobs miserable because they can't even take any break now (this is the situation at mother's hospital). Just be less selfish. It's easy

HenryKissinger 6y ago

> Socialization is a basic human need.

ceejayoz 6y ago

> We are now on month 7 of being told to not socialize... "Keep your distance, wear a mask, and stick to small groups" is not the same as "do not socialize".

at-fates-hands 6y ago
Considering most states have been in full on shelter in place lock down mode, there aren't many places people can socialize anyways. All of the normal places where you see people socialize have bee closed or went out business. Restaurants, bars, night clubs, sporting events, live music (festivals and stadiums) and many, many others. It would be one thing to conform to what your saying, but its become hard if not impossible to find safe places where people CAN socialize, so they take what they get regardless of the risks to them or others.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Parks? Backyards? A walk around the neighborhood? Outdoor dining? If you can't socialize outside a bar, that's on you.
  - jlg23 6y ago
    In a lot of urban environments access to the obvious outdoor alternatives is pretty limited.
  - bazzert 6y ago
    the media have consistently demonized people at beaches and parks. Lightfoot fenced off the beaches in Chicago, Newsom did the same in CA. It's ridiculous; and its why people are skeptical of their intentions.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      https://twitter.com/zeynep https://twitter.com/zeynep has been very critical of the beach photos thing, and you'll find we're in agreement on that point. Even in articles about house parties, major media outlets go and grab a beach photo for some reason. It's bad reporting.
  - daseiner1 6y ago
    I had just graduated college and moved to a new city on a new coast before lockdowns started. I essentially have no in-person social network to speak of, currently. My parents lived overseas up until a month ago. Folks my age (early 20s) are happy to socialize with their established friends. Less so with strangers. All the places shut down are the standard avenues for folks like me to meet new people. I was entirely alone for 4 months. My life was hell. And all the while my company talks about difficulties being at home with family, and figuring out childcare (and has freed up resources to help their employees do so). No mention, ever, of any effort to establish meetups for low-risk, early-career employees, not that I'd expect that. No one particularly cares about people in my situation (not that rare). Comments like this and the ever popular "it's just a mask!" show a remarkable lack of awareness and understanding. Yes, that's perhaps overly selfish of me. Yes, there are people at serious risk, and many people dying or developing life-long serious complications. But this has been the worst period in my entire life, by far. I was regularly, very seriously, suicidal (have since moved back in with my parents now that they're stateside, starting to get better). All the policies and all the talk are oriented around having a network of close relations to fall back on. That doesn't exist for everyone.
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      How do you figure on "it's just a mask!"?
    - rapind 6y ago
      I think cases like this are almost completely overlooked. I'm also concerned/saddened by young children who's parents just moved to a new town (moving is not uncommon when many can't afford mortgage/rent due to covid lay offs). We're going to see pretty significant long term effects to both the economy and children / young people due to a lack of social development. I couldn't even imagine how shitty being a 20 something in a new city would be now. Dating has to be practically non-existent. Should say that I'm for and obey covid restrictions in my country (Canada), but I'm amoung the privileged few already working from home, and have a family and kids that keep me busy.
- xmprt 6y ago
  1. There's so much outdoor space to socialize. You make it seem like the choice is between doing it indoors or not doing it at all. 2. Why can't people socialize online? It's even easier nowadays. It might not be the same thing but it can get pretty close.
  - fuzxi 6y ago
    >2. Why can't people socialize online? It's even easier nowadays. It might not be the same thing but it can get pretty close. It is not anywhere near close. Video calls transfer speech, tone of voice, and facial expressions at best. Body language is a vital part of face-to-face communication, and there is no video call equivalent of leaning in towards someone or putting your hand on theirs.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  No state in the USA is or has ever been "in full on shelter in place lock down mode" during the pandemic. Many states issued half-assed stay at home orders, which in practice ended up being voluntary and unenforced. Throughout it all, there were people who were out horsing around, doing whatever they wanted, and not facing legal consequences. Vanishingly few people were arrested for violating stay-at-home, despite it being legally enforceable as a misdemeanor. Thankfully most people did their part, but to call it "lock down" is a bit of an exaggeration.
alexbanks 6y ago
I think you're both kind of right. There are ads on pretty much every medium that say "Stay Home", which is not at all what you're describing. To say "nobody is saying do not socialize" is untrue, but to say "We're not allowed to socialize" is also untrue.
Alupis 6y ago
> "Keep your distance, wear a mask, and stick to small groups" is not the same as "do not socialize". Ok, but then we have people doing solo activities, all by themselves, minding their own business -- getting arrested by lunatics[1] because we said no beach allowed during Covid[2]! How do we reconcile that? [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-03/paddle-boarder-arrested-in-malibu-after-flouting-coronavirus-closures https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-03/paddle-b... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpsaSfoqUtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpsaSfoqUtU
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  > April 3, 2020 You'll find California (and everywhere else) has loosened up substantially on outdoor activities, as we have substantially more information in recent months on outdoor versus indoor transmission. We've learned a lot since April about COVID-19.
  - Alupis 6y ago
    Even during the height of beach-chasing in the LA area, it was well known being outdoors was far safer than being stuck indoors. It wasn't about safety. Arresting a lone surfer or lone beach jogger isn't about safety. It's about compliance. You must comply.
    - chillwaves 6y ago
      Maybe some people think enforcing compliance is about safety. This whole discussion is absurd. If people actually did comply, then they wouldn't get arrested and we would have had a far more successful outcome nationwide.
      - mixmastamyk 6y ago
        No one (statistically) was spreading it at the beach, so all the hand-wringing and blaming now and then that you're engaging in has shown to be arrogant and incorrect.
    - 6y ago

cik2e 6y ago

I find the topic of introverts vs extraverts to be extremely fascinating. My wife and I are pretty big introverts, but she is somewhat shy whereas I am not. She loved group exercise due to the external motivation factor but has actively avoided getting into conversations in that setting. I am also not one for striking up conversations with strangers but have been known to get quite chatty with people who initiate. On the whole, both of us loved the lockdown for the 2-3 months but after that, not being able to see our close friends really started wearing on us. We were some of the first in our group to start expanding our quarantine units. Sometimes I need to remind myself of this, but the right amount of social interaction is a very rewarding and enriching part of the human experience.

ardy42 6y ago

> We are now on month 7 of being told to not socialize or see or do anything. What? That's a pretty exaggerated misrepresentation of what's actually being recommended. You can socialize and see or do plenty while still obeying the recommendations. For instance, my elderly neighbors regularly socialize with others -- they just put chairs out on the driveway or patio and maintain two or three times the distance as they would before the pandemic.

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ramoz 6y ago

That has nothing to do with lifting weights and availability to lifting.

alistairSH 6y ago

...We are now on month 7... And if people had actually sheltered in place back in March, we might be opening back up (or opening with fewer COVID clusters).

jdhn 6y ago
I don't believe this for a second. The total number of people that managed to contract it in New Zealand within the last week was under 10, and they locked down an entire city because of it.
- alistairSH 6y ago
  So you're saying the lockdown worked?
  - jdhn 6y ago
    No, I'm saying that the response in regards to the number of people who have contracted it is utterly ridiculous.
    - monocasa 6y ago
      Their response _allowed_ them to keep the number of people who contracted down. As of now, the US has more than 100x deaths per capita from covid than New Zealand because of measures like that.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      Why? "Everyone stop moving around for a few days so we can contact trace and test these people without it spreading more" seems like a very good mitigation. It has worked well for NZ thus far; they've been able to demask, hug, and live life pretty much normally for a while now. I'd happily take the occasional few days hard lockdown in exchange for that.
    - albedoa 6y ago
      This is absolutely crazy. You are arguing the point of the comment that you say you don't believe.

Teever 6y ago

We live in an unprecedented age of communication and media. I have a hard time taking any so called 'extrovert' seriously when they say that they can't handle the current state of 'non-socializing.' Maybe these extroverts aren't extroverts and instead they're regular people suffering from withdrawal because we live in an over-socialized society.

fuzxi 6y ago

Month 7? I thought lockdowns, shelter-in-place, etc. largely began in March. That would make this month 5.

Rapzid 6y ago
Mid to late March after news of Italy started blowing up. Started with spring break extensions and "temporary shutdowns". It's incredible how quickly recent history gets mixed up.. Buy yeah, we are just finishing out month 5 and heading into 6. But the most stringent lock downs were only into May for a lot of places; at least hear in San Antonio.

ironman1478 6y ago

I'm an extrovert. I can find ways to occupy my time. I've picked up drawing, meditation, and running. I want to talk to people in person, get drinks, go to shows, etc. It's not hard to find something else to do for a short amount of time in the grand scheme of things. Get a therapist if it's that difficult. Preventing the spread of disease is more important than hanging out with your friends. The burden of the disease falls on people like nurses, essential workers, etc. and you are making their jobs miserable because they can't even take any break now (this is the situation at mother's hospital). Just be less selfish. It's easy