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Most people don't care about D&I. Neither for or against, just an annoyance.
by throwaways885 6y ago
Most people don't care about D&I. Neither for or against, just an annoyance.
- cultus 6y agoMost white, straight men don't care about inclusion.
- MadSudaca 6y agoFound the D&I Lead
- dragonwriter 6y agoMost white, straight men aren't most people. Heck, all straight, white men aren't most people. Heck, not even all men are most people.
- 236dev 6y agoI'm for diversity, Facebook needs more white people. White people are currently under represented at Facebook. I'm thinking of creating an organization to lobby for companies like Facebook, Google, Netflix, etc to hire more white people where we are under represented.
- joemazerino 6y agoYour racism is showing.
- krageon 6y agoIt's not very nice to immediately be racist when someone says something that you could observe to be true, even in many an office not filled by "white, straight men".
- doorstar 6y agoJust wait a bit and someone is sure to say "It's not bigotry to believe that women and black people are less qualified for tech jobs".
- hannasanarion 6y agoIf you think diversity and inclusion is "an annoyance", then you clearly aren't "neither for or against"
- throwaways885 6y agoSibling comment: > When people say they're "neither for or against, just annoyed" about something, they usually mean that they genuinely don't care about the underlying issue, and the annoyance comes from the idea that they have to care about it. I think this is pretty much just the maligned neutral you're describing.
- apacheCamel 6y agoCan you give more of a reason why "most" people don't care about it? Why would inclusion be an annoyance?
- mmm_grayons 6y agoBecause "diversity offenses" typically happens against minorities, which definitionally aren't most people. It's also a questionable use of funds in that the places that would hire one are probably less likely to need it. But treating everyone well and handling issues through HR as normal is no longer sufficient; a diversity and inclusion staff has become the requisite "Workers of the world, unite!" sign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless#Havel's_greengrocer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_the_Powerless#Hav... Add to this that most people don't like being preached at not to be racist etc. when most already aren't.
- apacheCamel 6y agoOkay so I am a bit more confused now. You are comparing being told about diversity and inclusion in the workplace to communism? > handling issues through HR as normal is no longer sufficient I am almost certain most of these "diversity and inclusion staff" you speak of are part of HR, so yes, it is still normal. I get it, you don't want to preached to about something you aren't, but isn't that life in general? Being told stuff daily that either doesn't apply to you, you already know, or would never do?
- dx87 6y ago> I get it, you don't want to preached to about something you aren't, but isn't that life in general? Being told stuff daily that either doesn't apply to you, you already know, or would never do? To me, that's not life, that's being micro-managed or treated like a child. I'd never want to work somewhere that treats employees like that.
- apacheCamel 6y agoDo you throw your hands in the air every time your lead reminds you of a due date you already knew? Do you skip "meetings that could have been emails"? I have yet to find a place that doesn't tell me something I already know or hold on my hand on some minor things. I just go about it, being upset over it isn't worth my time.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> Most people don't care about D&I. Maybe, but: > Neither for or against, just an annoyance. Viewing it as an annoyance is both “against” and very much not an example of not caring. I'm not saying this is your actual motivation, but it kind of comes across as a clumsy attempt of someone hostile to the idea to try to get people in favor to back off by conjuring an image of the maligned neutral that they think those in favor will be more sympathetic to than actual opponents, but failing to be able to even imagine what neutrality would look like when presenting the argument.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoWhen people say they're "neither for or against, just annoyed" about something, they usually mean that they genuinely don't care about the underlying issue, and the annoyance comes from the idea that they have to care about it. I think this is pretty much just the maligned neutral you're describing.