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Yet somehow Russian / China are hacking the US left and right. If the NSA is so good, then at some point dont they have the responsibility to actively defend?

harry8 6y ago
But are they really though? Could well be a threat there but I want actual evidence when the threat bogeyman is invoked in the name of more power. I believed the WMD lie. I hope I have learned from that. If we believe the NSA then your question is exactly the right one to ask and has some obvious implications.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > I believed the WMD lie. Iraq did have WMD - they used poison gas on Kurds. They also had an absolutely massive army that had to be confonted at some point. The Bush administration and their "aluminum tubes" was silly though. > I hope I have learned from that. What you haven't learned is that every bad thing reported has basically been true in recent history, if you pay attention.
- jialutu 6y ago
  I think this might interest you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony So pretty much all of US's wars in Iraq has been based on lies.
  - jjcon 6y ago
    I think you mean US, UK, Spain, Australia, Poland war's. Also, the war would have happened with or without her testimony so I'm not sure your point holds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%93_Iraq https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%...
boomboomsubban 6y ago
From the article, attacking is much cheaper than defense. If they were splitting their budget evenly between the two you wouldnl still hear about the US being hacked constantly.
- Dahoon 6y ago
  Even if they were 100% successful in stopping hackers we would still hear about the US being hacked constantly. It's propaganda.
fuoqi 6y ago
You are hearing those hacking news essentially from the same mouths calling Snowden a traitor and denying that we are under massive surveillance net, which only get worse over time. I do believe that scale of those hacks and their impact is greatly exaggerated to justify further power creep.
wz1000 6y ago
Buying Facebook ads and making fake accounts is not "hacking".
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  Gaining unauthorized access to the DNC's and RNC's email systems and Podesta's Gmail account is "hacking."
nix23 6y ago
>China are hacking the US left and right Can you proof that or is that maybe something the CIA or the Pentagon would say?
- kipchak 6y ago
  One potential example is the seeded Supermicro chipsets that bloomberg ran a big piece on, though that's still somewhat up in the air as far as I know. Generally though it's quite hard to tell what's real.
  - nix23 6y ago
    There is absolutely no proof for that. No one found that chip. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-supermicro-chips/super-micro-says-review-found-no-malicious-chips-in-motherboards-idUSKBN1OA12R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-supermicro-chips/super-mi... And: Apple, Amazon and U.S. and U.K. officials have all said they have no knowledge of any hardware attacks via Super Micro
- president 6y ago
  For one, they have been hacking biomedical companies to steal COVID-19 research and a few were caught red-handed [1]. Also, see Equifax indictments. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53493028 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53493028
  - nix23 6y ago
    That is not left and right, and look at that interesting detail from you article: Why is China accused of supporting them? Prosecutors said the men at times acted in their own self-interest - including one occasion when they demanded a ransom from a company in exchange for not releasing its private information - but at other times "were stealing information of obvious interest" to the Chinese government. According to the indictment, the hackers "worked with, were assisted by, and operated with the acquiescence of" the MSS.
raxxorrax 6y ago
I am still amazed how many people believed the Russian election manipulation story without any evidence. Especially large portions of the press should stand ashamed in a really, really dark corner. In hindsight I believe the people selling penis enlargement were correct about the reasoning abilities of humanity...
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  I am still amazed how many people go around saying that there isn't "any evidence" that Russia actively interfered in the 2016 US election. We both have access to Wikipedia, right? Or is all that Fake News too?
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    Sadly yes, Wikipedia is not good source on information like this anymore. It always was criticized that info on there wasn't sufficient evidence and that you had to get secondary sources. I think Wikipedia is a good source on most issues, but this topic is certainly not part of that.
    - ciarannolan 6y ago
      The wiki on this topic cites 551 sources. I guess they're all fake too?
- meroes 6y ago
  Didn't the Senate, House Committees, nearly every US intelligence agency, and independent researchers all say Russia actively interfered and wanted Trump to win? Where are you still finding the one source espousing this nonsense?
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    There is actually evidence that Putin wanted Hillary because she is a "softer" partner, and in contrast to the conspiracy this is evidenced in written words. That is actually an argument to vote for her, but don't let that stop you. edit: In case you actually do try to research it, that info was kept hidden by Brennan to the objection of CIA analysts.

harry8 6y ago

But are they really though? Could well be a threat there but I want actual evidence when the threat bogeyman is invoked in the name of more power. I believed the WMD lie. I hope I have learned from that. If we believe the NSA then your question is exactly the right one to ask and has some obvious implications.

redis_mlc 6y ago
> I believed the WMD lie. Iraq did have WMD - they used poison gas on Kurds. They also had an absolutely massive army that had to be confonted at some point. The Bush administration and their "aluminum tubes" was silly though. > I hope I have learned from that. What you haven't learned is that every bad thing reported has basically been true in recent history, if you pay attention.
jialutu 6y ago
I think this might interest you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony So pretty much all of US's wars in Iraq has been based on lies.
- jjcon 6y ago
  I think you mean US, UK, Spain, Australia, Poland war's. Also, the war would have happened with or without her testimony so I'm not sure your point holds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%93_Iraq https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_%E2%80%...

boomboomsubban 6y ago

From the article, attacking is much cheaper than defense. If they were splitting their budget evenly between the two you wouldnl still hear about the US being hacked constantly.

Dahoon 6y ago
Even if they were 100% successful in stopping hackers we would still hear about the US being hacked constantly. It's propaganda.

fuoqi 6y ago

You are hearing those hacking news essentially from the same mouths calling Snowden a traitor and denying that we are under massive surveillance net, which only get worse over time. I do believe that scale of those hacks and their impact is greatly exaggerated to justify further power creep.

wz1000 6y ago

Buying Facebook ads and making fake accounts is not "hacking".

lern_too_spel 6y ago
Gaining unauthorized access to the DNC's and RNC's email systems and Podesta's Gmail account is "hacking."

nix23 6y ago

>China are hacking the US left and right Can you proof that or is that maybe something the CIA or the Pentagon would say?

kipchak 6y ago
One potential example is the seeded Supermicro chipsets that bloomberg ran a big piece on, though that's still somewhat up in the air as far as I know. Generally though it's quite hard to tell what's real.
- nix23 6y ago
  There is absolutely no proof for that. No one found that chip. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-supermicro-chips/super-micro-says-review-found-no-malicious-chips-in-motherboards-idUSKBN1OA12R https://www.reuters.com/article/us-supermicro-chips/super-mi... And: Apple, Amazon and U.S. and U.K. officials have all said they have no knowledge of any hardware attacks via Super Micro
president 6y ago
For one, they have been hacking biomedical companies to steal COVID-19 research and a few were caught red-handed [1]. Also, see Equifax indictments. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53493028 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53493028
- nix23 6y ago
  That is not left and right, and look at that interesting detail from you article: Why is China accused of supporting them? Prosecutors said the men at times acted in their own self-interest - including one occasion when they demanded a ransom from a company in exchange for not releasing its private information - but at other times "were stealing information of obvious interest" to the Chinese government. According to the indictment, the hackers "worked with, were assisted by, and operated with the acquiescence of" the MSS.

raxxorrax 6y ago

I am still amazed how many people believed the Russian election manipulation story without any evidence. Especially large portions of the press should stand ashamed in a really, really dark corner. In hindsight I believe the people selling penis enlargement were correct about the reasoning abilities of humanity...

ciarannolan 6y ago
I am still amazed how many people go around saying that there isn't "any evidence" that Russia actively interfered in the 2016 US election. We both have access to Wikipedia, right? Or is all that Fake News too?
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  Sadly yes, Wikipedia is not good source on information like this anymore. It always was criticized that info on there wasn't sufficient evidence and that you had to get secondary sources. I think Wikipedia is a good source on most issues, but this topic is certainly not part of that.
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    The wiki on this topic cites 551 sources. I guess they're all fake too?
meroes 6y ago
Didn't the Senate, House Committees, nearly every US intelligence agency, and independent researchers all say Russia actively interfered and wanted Trump to win? Where are you still finding the one source espousing this nonsense?
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  There is actually evidence that Putin wanted Hillary because she is a "softer" partner, and in contrast to the conspiracy this is evidenced in written words. That is actually an argument to vote for her, but don't let that stop you. edit: In case you actually do try to research it, that info was kept hidden by Brennan to the objection of CIA analysts.