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So there's a comment from the CEO here: https://answers.thenextweb.com/s/mitchell-baker-aGY62z https://answers.thenextweb.com/s/mitchell-baker-aGY62z "Please e
by Jonnax 6y ago
So there's a comment from the CEO here:
https://answers.thenextweb.com/s/mitchell-baker-aGY62z https://answers.thenextweb.com/s/mitchell-baker-aGY62z
"Please explain how your salary of $2.5 million couldn't be put to better use as part of Emerging Technology's budget?"
"Executive compensation is a general topic -- are execs, esp CEOs paid too much? I'm of the camp that thinks the different between exec comp and other comp is high. So then i think, OK what should mozilla do about it? My answer is that we try to mitigate this, but we won't solve this general social problem on our own.
Here's what I mean by mitigate: we ask our executives to accept a discount from the market-based pay they could get elsewhere. But we don't ask for an 75-80% discount. I use that number because a few years ago when the then-ceo had our compensation structure examined, I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Meaning that competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 times as much. That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit to."
No self awareness that rather than getting rid of people building interesting products, they don't realise that they should get rid of themselves and other executives.
Firefox has been on a downward trajectory in marketshare for the last 5 years. And they've struggled to reduce their reliance on search engine deals by creating other revenue streams.
They're all failures and have no self awareness.
Effectively answering: We've all got ferraris and McMansions to pay off
- winrid 6y agoWell, it's hard to convince someone to get rid of themselves...
- bouk 6y agoWow what a piece of shit. How will my poor family survive without $200k every month???
- JanSt 6y ago> I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Considering the companies performance, she should have been put on a PIP a long time ago, even considering the so called 80% discount. Never seems to happen to CEOs though. Management is out of touch with reality if they think they deliver any value here. edit: he to she, thanks!
- oefrha 6y agoMitchell Baker is a she. Largely agree with the PIP part.
- saagarjha 6y ago*she
- searchableguy 6y agoWhy did you correct it again?
- saagarjha 6y agoWhen I left the comment it said “he”. Nothing more than that, hence the terse reply.
- Spare_account 6y agoI've been reading comments on this thread for a few minutes, with my kids distracting me mixed in. I've been on the page for over ten minutes. The two corrections came through ~10 apart. It's entirely plausible that when saagarjha loaded the page, the first correction hadn't even been made yet.
- saagarjha 6y agoYup, this pretty much. I expected this to be a small correction and then my comment would end up being collapsed by a passing moderator, but I guess it didn’t completely work out that way this time.
- dingaling 6y agoWhy make a distinction?
- saagarjha 6y agoThe same reason you’d value accuracy anywhere else.
- MrBuddyCasino 6y agoFor those who haven’t seen it yet, handy chart of Firefox market share vs Mozilla Foundation chair salary https://twitter.com/withoutboats/status/1217558588857544704?s=21 https://twitter.com/withoutboats/status/1217558588857544704?...
- jansan 6y agoThat is one embarrassing chart, especially for a company like Mozilla. Have they considered firing that person, yet?
- pitay 6y agoNote that Brendan Eich resigned April 2014. Here is the original post for that graph and a bit of discussion on HN relating to the dismissal of 70 Mozilla employees at the time. : https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22058629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22058629
- csomar 6y agoSeems like Baker salary is correlated to Firefox marketshare. If I'm extrapolating correctly, a $0 salary should give Firefox 90% marketshare. // just kidding of course.
- s1t5 6y agoAnswering this question directly is a such an obvious trap, I'm surprised they fell for it.
- curiousgal 6y agoShe's on my list of terrible female CEOs along with Marissa Mayer Susan Wojcicki Elisabeth Holmes Edit: in case you missed my username I'm a female myself.
- slap 6y agoCarly Fiorina (HP)
- mroset 6y agoAre you pointing out any genuine connections between the management styles or financial decision making of these other CEOs, or bringing them up just because of their shared gender? Is there any non-sexist reason to have a list of "terrible female CEOs"?
- yread 6y agoNot a female here, but one reason to have a list is that people are always looking for a relatable role model. As a women you would want to avoid looking at these CEOs as role models. You should have a list of reasons why you're avoiding them and bring it up when somebody else non-critically tries to put them on a pedestal. EDIT: on the other hand as an immigrant (really my only "discriminated against" feature) I wouldn't search for immigrant CEOs as role models, so I'm not sure if it's worth it to look for women role models as a woman.
- catch123 6y agoI'm actually very saddened by this. What are the alternatives? Use chrome/chromium or other blink powered browsers and let google have it's way with the web? I wish some organizations like Tor will fork firefox and absorb these talent, then I can contribute whatever I can afford monthly to it, knowing that anything I contribute will be going to the betterment of the web than into incompetent management. Maybe they can start a kickstarter campaign or something, I will definitely contribute.
- toastal 6y agoThere's still Epiphany and Midori as Webkit-based browsers, but you're gonna lose Web Extensions, Service Workers by default, nice dev tools, and a lot of things in the process.
- young_unixer 6y agoA reminder to never donate to Mozilla.
- pitay 6y agoere is a (selective) look at the management of Mozilla in the recent past. From Mitchell Bakers blog https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2018/08/07/in-memoriam-gervase-markham/ https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2018/08/07/in-memoriam-gerva... “Gerv’s faith did not have ambiguity at least none that I ever saw. Gerv was crisp. He had very precise views about marriage, sex, gender and related topics. He was adamant that his interpretation was correct, and that his interpretation should be encoded into law. These views made their way into the Mozilla environment. They have been traumatic and damaging, both to individuals and to Mozilla overall.” From http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2018/07/29/gerv.html http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2018/07/29/gerv.html “I bring up Gerv's open-mindedness because I know that many people didn't find him so, but, frankly, I think those folks were mistaken. It is well documented publicly that Gerv held what most would consider particularly “conservative values”. And, I'll continue with more frankness: I found a few of Gerv's views offensive and morally wrong. But Gerv was also someone who could respectfully communicate his views. I never felt the need to avoid speaking with him or otherwise distance myself. Even if a particular position offended me, it was nevertheless clear to me that Gerv had come to his conclusions by starting from his (a priori) care and concern for all of humanity. Also, I could simply say to Gerv: I really disagree with that so much, and if it became clear our views were just too far apart to productively discuss the matter further, he'd happily and collaboratively find another subject for us to discuss. Gerv was a reasonable man. He could set aside fundamental disagreements and find common ground to talk with, collaborate with, and befriend those who disagreed with him. That level of kindness and openness is rarely seen in our current times.” Here is an article another person who knew Gervase Markham who refutes Mitchell Bakers account https://lwn.net/Articles/762345/ https://lwn.net/Articles/762345/ . Worth a read. Brendan Eich on the jump in executive share since he was let go: https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584 https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/1217512049716035584 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22058629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22058629 Here is Brokedamouth on the two class system now at Mozilla https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22061500 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22061500 Comment replicated here (it is worth looking at the whole discussion): “I was at Mozilla for a while and it was a two-class system. The execs flew first class, stayed in fancy hotels, and had very expensive dinners and retreats - sometimes in the high five-figures. This is not even included in comp. One time, the CFO sent out a missive urging everyone to stay in AirBnB to save money and the execs (literally the following week) booked $500/night rooms at a hotel in NYC. I think the moment that made it clear as day was during a trip to Hawaii for the company all hands. The plane was a 737 so you had to walk past first class. These all hands are a huge deal for families - many were struggling down the aisle, carrying booster seats, etc. And they were passing two of the C-levels sitting in giant first-class seats sipping tropical cocktails. The rule in the military is that men eat first, officers last. Mozilla has always reversed that rule and the result was a pretty toxic culture, all around.” Shown here is the trustworthiness of the current CEO, having a go at someone because their opinions disagreed with theirs, this is straight after his death when he couldn't defend himself. The people who knew him have a very different opinion on what he was like compared to her, and it can be seen what changed with how executives were treated compared to the rest of the employees.
- ofrzeta 6y agoThis is ridiculous. In my world there are many CEOs of "small and medium enterprises" who are happy to earn 500k.
- gspr 6y ago> "Please explain how your salary of $2.5 million couldn't be put to better use as part of Emerging Technology's budget?" Why should a nonprofit's CEO be paid that much? Why the hell? I can't grasp this. I don't even understand why they'd make more than a few times what the typical programmer in the organization makes.
- LockAndLol 6y agoI can't help but think we're experiencing the slow demise of Mozilla and have been for a while now. What kind of family needs 2.5M a year? NGO CEO just sounds like an oxymoron to me too. CEOs make me think of revenue increase, while I assume NGOs have very different goals - or at least they should have. It just seems like a fundamental misalignment.