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This could be solved by a carbon tax. If the company lied about their emissions and got caught, you could retroactively charge them to make up for the differenc

This could be solved by a carbon tax. If the company lied about their emissions and got caught, you could retroactively charge them to make up for the difference, and then any profit they would have gained from skirting the regulations would be nullified. Other businesses would see this new environment and adapt or die. American businesses don't avoid (domestic) child labor because it's illegal, they avoid it because the potential charges for getting caught make the whole endeavor unprofitable.

the_gipsy 6y ago
But ze Arbeitplätze! (Jobs). German government is extremely entrenched with the automobile industry. Only slaps on the wrist, but it's probably profitable to risk breaking the law. Maybe these executives should be prosecuted hard for their decisions.
amelius 6y ago
> This could be solved by a carbon tax. If the company lied about their emissions and got caught, you could retroactively charge them to make up for the difference, and then any profit they would have gained from skirting the regulations would be nullified. Yeah, but what if the CEOs moved on? Or secured their profits? I think carbon tax is the way to go, but on top of that we need criminal justice.
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > Or secured their profits? What does this mean within the context of tax evasion? > we need criminal justice There is a reason Al Capone was booked on tax evasion. Showing an executive wilfully defrauded a test is difficult. Responsibility is too diffuse. Proving tax fraud is much easier—executives personally sign off on books.
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xiphias2 6y ago
Only criminal cases are usually prosecuted on the personal level. Imagine if somebody proposed taxing terrorist organizations for killing people. When they get caught, the CEO would get his bonus and retire, the organization would either go bankrupt or bailed out by the government because of its importance, and a VP could register the next company, hiring all his ex-colleagues who were just executing company orders.
yadco 6y ago
Such a tax would affect the poor the most.
- 0xdeadb00f 6y ago
  How? I imagine the money from taxing power companies and such could go back into helping pay a portion of the bills of those who've had their rates increased.
toast0 6y ago
> This could be solved by a carbon tax. If the company lied about their emissions and got caught, you could retroactively charge them to make up for the difference In this case, they were emitting less carbon than advertised. Should we pay them a refund? Details: outside of test scenarios, the engine control system ran the engine hotter and with less diesel emissions fluid which resulted in better fuel efficiency (less carbon) and more conversion of atmospheric nitrogen and oxygen to Nitrogen Oxides (bad for people).

the_gipsy 6y ago

But ze Arbeitplätze! (Jobs). German government is extremely entrenched with the automobile industry. Only slaps on the wrist, but it's probably profitable to risk breaking the law. Maybe these executives should be prosecuted hard for their decisions.

amelius 6y ago

> This could be solved by a carbon tax. If the company lied about their emissions and got caught, you could retroactively charge them to make up for the difference, and then any profit they would have gained from skirting the regulations would be nullified. Yeah, but what if the CEOs moved on? Or secured their profits? I think carbon tax is the way to go, but on top of that we need criminal justice.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> Or secured their profits? What does this mean within the context of tax evasion? > we need criminal justice There is a reason Al Capone was booked on tax evasion. Showing an executive wilfully defrauded a test is difficult. Responsibility is too diffuse. Proving tax fraud is much easier—executives personally sign off on books.
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xiphias2 6y ago

Only criminal cases are usually prosecuted on the personal level. Imagine if somebody proposed taxing terrorist organizations for killing people. When they get caught, the CEO would get his bonus and retire, the organization would either go bankrupt or bailed out by the government because of its importance, and a VP could register the next company, hiring all his ex-colleagues who were just executing company orders.

yadco 6y ago

Such a tax would affect the poor the most.

0xdeadb00f 6y ago
How? I imagine the money from taxing power companies and such could go back into helping pay a portion of the bills of those who've had their rates increased.

toast0 6y ago

> This could be solved by a carbon tax. If the company lied about their emissions and got caught, you could retroactively charge them to make up for the difference In this case, they were emitting less carbon than advertised. Should we pay them a refund? Details: outside of test scenarios, the engine control system ran the engine hotter and with less diesel emissions fluid which resulted in better fuel efficiency (less carbon) and more conversion of atmospheric nitrogen and oxygen to Nitrogen Oxides (bad for people).